CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Bannasidhe · 20-03-2020 01:03PM

BluePlanet wrote: »

The problem with nonchalant social distancing and "casual lockdown", is that it's going to lengthen the time these measures need to be in effect.

If everybody was truly locked down, and really it should be coordinated around the EU, we could probably get on top of this within 14 days.

People should be entirely house bound.
Army, Police and Health Care workers should deliver daily rations and meds.
Pet dogs should be taken to a converted stadium for kenneling.

Italy is too casual and so is Spain.
We are witnessing the results in real time.

You can feck off with that part in bold.

And do you seriously think E.U. countries have the resources to deliver rations and meds to every household?
Where will these 'rations' be made?
How will dietary requirements be deal with?
Who will work out the logistics of this?
How many people do you think it will require to deliver 'rations' every single day to every singe household in every single EU country?

I don't think you have really thought this plan of your through.

20-03-2020 01:04PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

So almost 1 in 2 cases in Italy are hospitalised.

Either they are only testing severe or hospital cases, or its hitting Italians worse than elsewhere. Its likely the former. So the real prevalence in Italy must be massive, at least in the hundreds of thousands.

I think that smoking is a huge factor. Almost everyone of that demographic in Italy is, or has been for a large part of their life, a heavy smoker. So would not at all be surprised that even when we know the real denominator, the death rate in Italy is much higher than more northern European countries

Thelonious Monk · 20-03-2020 01:04PM

Ok, I'm taking a break from news and threads, me poor head, give yourselves a break too it's exhausting

otnomart · 20-03-2020 01:04PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

From everything I've read this virus seems to mainly affect those with underlying conditions. I think 3 people with no underlying issues have died this week in Italy. That's 1 out of over 1,000.

Any age can get it, and there are several cases of young people.
from Belgium: Lung scans of COVID-19 patients in their 30s show "scary picture" https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2020/03...scary-picture/

For Italy, we know the percentage of cases that require lesser or no care (due to few or no symptoms), of those that will require hospital case and of those who will require intensive care.
Yesterday:

33190 positives
15757 in hospital
14935 with lesser symptoms treated at home and in quarantine
2498 in intensive care

wakka12 · 20-03-2020 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that smoking is a huge factor. Almost everyone of that demographic in Italy is, or has been for a large part of their life, a heavy smoker. So would not at all be surprised that even when we know the real denominator, the death rate in Italy is much higher than more northern European countries

How does it explain Iran, also with a high death rate, and one of the lowest rates of smoking in the world

murpho999 · 20-03-2020 01:05PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I agree. They live near a world class hospital. Also the supermarkets near them are big and spacious, around here they're so crowded and everyone on top of each other. Also with the restrictions in Spain I'm glad they're staying, who knows what will happen here as we don't seem to be doing much compared to others.

I'm sorry this is not true.

I've been in Tesco, Lidl & Supervalu in Bray this week, all spacious and not crowded.

Where do people get this stuff from?

Gooey Looey · 20-03-2020 01:05PM

I need to have a stern word with my Dad today, he's nearly 70 and is still working as a lorry driver, won't quit. He claims he's not at risk, he cleans the lorry before he starts and doesn't have any contact with anyone (although I don't believe he's not stopping for coffee or even a piss). The problem is he is at huge risk being an asthmatic, but also lives with my mam who has been a heavy smoker and also my brother who is another asthmatic.

Antares35 · 20-03-2020 01:05PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

tbh I think they are better off here with Spain health system than Ireland.
Also if they self isolate and take careful trips to shops they should be fine

My parents are self isolating in Spain. You literally cannot leave the house where they are except for food and medicine. There are patrols on the streets and constant reminders via loudspeaker of the rules. At least they are properly enforcing the controls. All non essential places are shut as far as I know.

They definitely feel safer there. They have their own garden space to exercise and get fresh air and they have more faith in the Spanish healthcare system than the Irish one.

I'm going mad worrying about them as they are both early 70's and Dad is at risk with diabetes, but they made the decision to stick it out there. Last thing Dad wanted was to be confined on a packed flight with a couple of stag/ hen parties from the north of Spain for 3 hours coming home. He said they would be like sitting ducks.

Priced a private flight - circa 12k - they will be staying put!

Except now I keep getting calls from private jet companies telling me my plane is ready. Go away!!!!!!!!! :P

Antares35 · 20-03-2020 01:06PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

I need to have a stern word with my Dad today, he's nearly 70 and is still working as a lorry driver, won't quit. He claims he's not at risk, he cleans the lorry before he starts and doesn't have any contact with anyone (although I don't believe he's not stopping for coffee or even a piss). The problem is he is at huge risk being an asthmatic, but also lives with my mam who has been a heavy smoker and also my brother who is another asthmatic.

What is it about parents? :P

Naggdefy · 20-03-2020 01:07PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Ok Boomer

:pac:

That's the response i knew i'd get

It's that American 'humour' again, usually accompanied by canned laughter. Someone who has seen every episode of the Simpsons and raises their voice at the end of a sentence

BluePlanet · 20-03-2020 01:07PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You can feck off with that part in bold.

And do you seriously think E.U. countries have the resources to deliver rations and meds to every household?
Where will these 'rations' be made?
How will dietary requirements be deal with?
Who will work out the logistics of this?
How many people do you think it will require to deliver 'rations' every single day to every singe household in every single EU country?

I don't think you have really thought this plan of your through.

It has to be managed throughout the EU, not everyplace at the same time.
Similar to China.

They managed to do it in Wuhan.

and yes, those fecking dogs should be humanely kenneled so as to prevent their owners from breaking quarantine.

murpho999 · 20-03-2020 01:07PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

I need to have a stern word with my Dad today, he's nearly 70 and is still working as a lorry driver, won't quit. He claims he's not at risk, he cleans the lorry before he starts and doesn't have any contact with anyone (although I don't believe he's not stopping for coffee or even a piss). The problem is he is at huge risk being an asthmatic, but also lives with my mam who has been a heavy smoker and also my brother who is another asthmatic.

So what risk is he taking in his truck that nobody else has been in?

If he observes social distancing and good hand hygiene then he'll be fine.

YFlyer · 20-03-2020 01:08PM

Doctor Shipman wrote: »

Let's worry about ourselves for the time being.

Changing your tact Harry?

Tea Shock · 20-03-2020 01:08PM

Seen the report on RTE that pubs have been inspected by Gardai in Cork for compliance with the Government request to close.

Why are pubs being signed out - there's a fairly large Costa café around the corner from me that appears busier than it ever was - and from looking in from passing outside, there doesn't appear to be any social distancing taking place. Not a word said!

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 01:09PM

Wearing a mask while walking around is not really any benefit for walking around and steering clear of people. Proper face masks obviously prevent (by and large) if in close contact with an infected person. If they didn’t medics wouldn’t wear them. But they are specific grade and constantly changed and worn correctly.

The issue as raised in Hospital consultant AMA is there is a shortage of them. People bulk buying protective grade means it more likely medics run out.

Paper ones are useless.

Duke of Url · 20-03-2020 01:09PM

We get our own stats now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

Gooey Looey · 20-03-2020 01:09PM

murpho999 wrote: »

So what risk is he taking in his truck that nobody else has been in?

If he observes social distancing and good hand hygiene then he'll be fine.

He shares the truck, the truck is on the road 24/7, it's for a haulage company

otnomart · 20-03-2020 01:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

So almost 1 in 2 cases in Italy are hospitalised.

Either they are only testing severe or hospital cases, or its hitting Italians worse than elsewhere. Its likely the former. So the real prevalence in Italy must be massive, at least in the hundreds of thousands.

Since the start (and as per yesterday), Italy had done nearly 183000 tests in total.
Those tests identified 41000 cases.
This number includes: deaths, people who have recovered, and those 33190 current cases which I have listed earlier.

ednwireland · 20-03-2020 01:10PM

wakka12 wrote: »

How does it explain Iran, also with a high death rate, and one of the lowest rates of smoking in the world

how many years of sanctions are they under, what do you think medical facilities are like for the average person.

was just reading about cuba going back to oxen because of fuel sanctions .....

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-03-2020 01:10PM

Tea Shock wrote: »

Seen the report on RTE that pubs have been inspected by Gardai in Cork for compliance with the Government request to close.

Why are pubs being signed out - there's a fairly large Costa café around the corner from me that appears busier than it ever was - and from looking in from passing outside, there doesn't appear to be any social distancing taking place. Not a word said!

My local costa have closed off their seating areas, no more than 2 people allowed in the shop at any time, only taking card payments and no seating indoors or out. Takeaway drinks/food only.

Thelonious Monk · 20-03-2020 01:10PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm sorry this is not true.

I've been in Tesco, Lidl & Supervalu in Bray this week, all spacious and not crowded.

Where do people get this stuff from?

Ugh. Before I give myself a break from this thread!
Ok Baggot St Tesco, SuperValu Killester, and Nolans Clontarf, all packed in the past few days when I've been there and they're cramped supermarkets to begin with, i can't speak for all supermarkets.

Naggdefy · 20-03-2020 01:11PM

All these generalising terms are annoying. Boomers, millennials, generation X, Y, Z.

You get decent citizens of all ages and you get people who do nothing for society in every age group.

jamesf85 · 20-03-2020 01:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Several hundred tourists from dozens of countries leaving Italy were infected after leaving Italy, there must be at least a few hundred thousand cases in Italy

It's more contagious than the flu. This past winter, we had more than 2,000 people hospitalized with the flu in Ireland. It kills nearly 700,000 world wide every year.

Why are people freaking out about the number of infected. Italy likely has a couple of million infected.

Just for reference, the season just gone, its estimated the US had around 31 million people infected with the flu, up to 370,000 needed to be hospitalised.

People need to realise a huge number of people are going to contract this, try and make sure you're not one of them and if you are do your very best that you don't pass it on. If most of us can do that, then we'll be ok.

tobefrank321 · 20-03-2020 01:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

How does it explain Iran, also with a high death rate, and one of the lowest rates of smoking in the world

Possible reasons - poor diet, perhaps endemic TB. It all depends on lung health in the general population. Also poor healthcare facilities.

AllGunsBlazing · 20-03-2020 01:14PM

Apparently American college kids are absolutely flocking in droves to Florida to celebrate spring break.

Florida, if I'm not mistaken, is like one huge retirement home for elderly retirees.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-03-2020 01:16PM

I need something to look forward to. I’ve wanted to see The Book Of Mormon for ages and it’s coming to Dublin in December as of now. I’m taking a leap of faith and booking tickets.

rob316 · 20-03-2020 01:16PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So it seems like that there are no plans for any implementation of a Italy/Spain style lockdown in the near future. We are in deep ****e.

Would you ever give it a rest. Every single of your posts is lockdown this, lockdown that, its boring lad.

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 01:16PM

Have seen many posts from glaziers offering to fit Perspex screens in shops for free. Obviously only effective in certain shops, but if you have friends or family working in shops tell them and request that their employer researches it and tries to install. Cashless is also a good way of reducing risk. Any help is a good thing.

20-03-2020 01:16PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Wearing a mask while walking around is not really any benefit for walking around and steering clear of people. Proper face masks obviously prevent (by and large) if in close contact with an infected person. If they didn’t medics wouldn’t wear them. But they are specific grade and constantly changed and worn correctly.

The issue as raised in Hospital consultant AMA is there is a shortage of them. People bulk buying protective grade means it more likely medics run out.

Paper ones are useless.

Even if useless medically, I still think anything is better than nothing. When I wear a mask put, I never touch my face. When I get home, I have to take off the mask and it reminds me to wash my hands.

Cork Boy 53 · 20-03-2020 01:17PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Apparently American college kids are absolutely flocking in droves to Florida to celebrate spring break.

Florida, if I'm not mistaken, is like one huge retirement home for the elderly retirees.

You`re not mistaken. Expect a huge fatality rate there.

CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

Comments

CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP