CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Gods Gift · 20-03-2020 11:39AM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Car stopped and 3 men arrested on the M7 this morning after been caught transporting bog roll with an estimated street value of €800k.

jmayo · 20-03-2020 11:40AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Give over !!!

This pandemic is far more serious than your silly knocking the public service rant.

Things might be a lot better now if the Neoliberal agenda of ‘low tax’, 'privatization', ‘deregulation’ and ‘small government’ had not caused a chronic under-funding of our public health services. We might even have a hospital bed ratio comparable to our European neighbors.

This kind of debate is for another time... Fighting against the virus spread is all that matters now.

Actually politicians are always blamed because they are the public face and meant to be in charge, but for anyone old enough to remember Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister they might have remembered how the British system and it's Irish descendant means that the civil servants are the permanent government and they can make life very difficult for politicians that actually want to clean up the system.
They are also the most heavily unionised workforce.

The old chestnut about proper funding for our health service is always thrown out, but we have one of the best funded per capita health services in the world.
It is just that a lot of it is wasted on irrelevant staff and irrelevant spending.

Currently you have situation where spending is going on non covid related items simply because certain departments have it and want to spend it because they won't get same amount next year.
There is no real rational where if an amount is not spent it is sent back to central pot or can be temporarily diverted.

One area that is chronically underfunded is our security services, be it Garda or defence forces.
And that is down to both civil servants and politicians.
The public who would have an outcry if any politician said they were spending millions more on defence forces and we would hear was about hospital trolleys, homeless, etc.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Bu he's not actually wrong blaming China is he

But he is right, it is down to China and the fact they want to eat every fecking thing that walks, crawls, swims or flies.

EDIT: Oh and a lot of endangered species are also down to them and their neighbours who have a fooked up mindset that thinks such shyte as a leopards penis or seahorse can give your a hardon.

Akrasia wrote: »

There are doctors and nurses and support staff going to work today to care for others knowing that they are putting their own lives at risk.

There are selfish people, but to say 'Humanity' is selfish is insulting to these people.

Not alone health care, but staff in supermarkets, pharmacies are putting themselves out there facing the public at reasonably close quarters every day.

kona · 20-03-2020 11:41AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

YES he is ! Classic Trumpian distraction technique from his own obvious failures in tackling the virus

There is no logic to finding countries to blame for pandemics, just like that despicable orange idiot in the white house and some here.

If Trumps logic is followed we may have to rename the 1918 (H1N1) 'Spanish' flu pandemic (the deadliest pandemic in history so far) 'The USA Virus' or 'The Kansas Virus'. It killed an estimated 50 - 100 million people.

Using the same logic...the USA did not learn... they also 'caused' the 2009 influenza A (H1N1) pandemic, infecting 31,000 people with 1,900 deaths. Yeaa let's call that one 'The USA2 Virus' or 'The California Virus'.

A two-year-old boy called Emile Ouamouno from Guinea in Africa became infected with Ebola virus by playing in a hollow tree housing a colony of bats. He infected his mother and sister and sadly all three died.

That started the recent (2013) Ebola epidemic infecting 28,616 people with 11,310 deaths.

Are you going blame the dead toddler ?

Are you going to punish the country of Guinea for this ?

The jump of animal bugs to humans could happen anywhere (including Ireland). Trying to find someone or some country to blame is a total waste of time and energy.

It’s just a matter of chance or bad luck.

Sh*t happens.

The virus originated in a wet market in china. Because they still practice a bunch of 3rd world nasty **** and eat bats , dogs, cats, rats, mice etc...

Not the same as some young lad messing about like any other young lad.

When this is all under control I hope china properly held accountable.

Cork Boy 53 · 20-03-2020 11:41AM

JoeFritzl wrote: »

To be honest 500 cases isn't really that much.

How about 4 million or more cases which is what we could be looking at before too long?

sheepsh4gger · 20-03-2020 11:42AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Car stopped and 3 men arrested on the M7 this morning after been caught transporting bog roll with an estimated street value of €800k.

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 11:43AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How about 4 million or more cases which is what we could be looking at before too long?

That's 80% of the population here.

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 11:43AM

JoeFritzl wrote: »

By that logic the efforts we are making now won't change the "curve" until the results begin coming back in a few more days.

So the curve has already been flattened now.

Flattening the curve is slowing the spread. If we don’t know the actual amount of people, it can’t be assumed that the spread is slow as the figures aren’t there, what we know is that the hospitals aren’t flooded and the death rate is low. But all other countries experienced similar. Also what is clear that when people stopped the social distancing it boomed. I think talking about flattening curve, while may lower anxiety may have a disastrous effect. I don’t know what to think but I’m not going to take risks.

smelly sock · 20-03-2020 11:44AM

Ah the Chinese.

Their data and numbers are faked.

They introduced this to the world and the same will happen again with their practices in wet markets.

Any info on human rights violations they imposed to get their numbers "down"?

yourdeadwright · 20-03-2020 11:44AM

Blazer wrote: »

There’s a time and a place for it afterwards to stop this from happening again.
As stated already last week it was Europe’s fault and a Democrat hoax and now that he’s realised that he’s really screwed up this time he needs a new scapegoat.
Trump and Johnson has shown what kind of special idiots they really are this week. They’re lucky their supporters are even stupider than they are otherwise they’d be turfed out of office pronto.

China blamed it on US soldiers ,
So he said no this started in China
He said in the interview he wouldn't say they where not to blame but it 100% started there which is correct , If Obama said the same people would agree because it came out of Donald's mouth people won't agree,

Its ok not to like someone or not agree with everything they say but also find some things they say to be correct ,

otnomart · 20-03-2020 11:45AM

Ferrari is getting ready for production of ventilators in Maranello, Italy
https://www.fanpage.it/sport/coronavirus-la-ferrari-pronta-a-produrre-ventilatori-e-respiratori-a-maranello/

caveat emptor · 20-03-2020 11:45AM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I genuinely can't understand how/why people are hung up on how many infected we have.

"We're on track to be worse than Italy"

Really? How many tests had Italy administered at this stage after their first positive test or their first death? How many did we test that were counted with yesterdays figures? We don't even know what days were counted in yesterdays figures.

The only important number is number of deaths and amount in ICU. ICU being the main one because it has a direct relationship with the number of deaths. Everything else is just a guessing game. The virus could be anywhere from 0.2% to 3.5% death rate in those infected, we're purely speculating with anything else.

Let's focus on the positives, our first case was weeks ago, we now have 3 deaths and 7 in ICU. This is a hell of a lot better than where Italy were at this stage.

It seems people are looking for the negatives here.

The median incubation time is 5 days. Median time from onset of symptoms to death is 20 days.

Thats a 3 week lag anyway. Just being real. We really don't know as distancing measures which are not really being respect by large parts of society only came in a week ago.

RugbyLad11 · 20-03-2020 11:46AM

Tony EH wrote: »

It's part of his propaganda effort. Gotta keep the Chinese as the new enemy in the minds of the more stupider Americans.

The rest of the world calls it the Corona virus or Covid-19. That cunt has to use his own label.

Can't say I'd care too much if it took him out at this stage. Better people have succumbed to it.

Eh the Chinese government were actually saying America released this virus into China...so the stupidness goes both ways

And the lately the Chinese media have calling the virus Italian flu and Japan flu etc

caveat emptor · 20-03-2020 11:46AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

China blamed it on US soldiers ,
So he said no this started in China
He said in the interview he wouldn't say they where not to blame but it 100% started there which is correct , If Obama said the same people would agree because it came out of Donald's mouth people won't agree,

Its ok not to like someone or not agree with everything they say but also find some things they say to be correct ,

People are getting distracted by this trump ****e. Focus on here. Resume the royal rumble good vs bad after pandemic.

Thanks.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 20-03-2020 11:47AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I’m adopting the same behaviour I had when living in Asia. Shoes left outside. About 5 showers a day. And walking around the house (self isolating by myself) in a kimono. Seriously all I need is a pina colada and a cigar and I would be the spit of Del Boy.

If you are confined to your own house why on earth would you need 5 showers a day??? That's just ridiculous.

yourdeadwright · 20-03-2020 11:47AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Eh the Chinese government were actually saying America released this virus into China...so the stupidness goes both ways

And the lately the Chinese media have calling the virus Italian flu and Japan flu etc

Don't be silly that's fine , its only not fine if a lad called Donald says it , Anything he says must be lie and must be made up don't you know this ,

Tacitus Kilgore · 20-03-2020 11:48AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

If you are confined to your own house why on earth would you need 5 showers a day??? That's just ridiculous.

It's very humid in parts of asia to be fair, probably dew to the sweat

smelly sock · 20-03-2020 11:48AM

https://www.independent.ie/videos/well-have-our-salads-ready-to-go-eamon-ryan-proposes-public-grow-their-own-food-39060433.html

Wow. People voted for him.

iwillyeah1234 · 20-03-2020 11:49AM

The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/398334975

Here's a walkthrough of a hospital in Bergamo. Every corner is in use. This is the wave coming towards us.

Stay away from people outside of your home.

horrific. good lord.

RugbyLad11 · 20-03-2020 11:49AM

sjb25 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1240889102804889600?s=20

It's nice how they can speak their mind.

But aid workers would never be allowed this say this kind of stuff while inside china. If they were to say one bad thing about China they would be kicked out or arrested

Cork Boy 53 · 20-03-2020 11:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's 80% of the population here.

Exactly my point. That is what we could be facing. And that is just from the first wave. if you look at what is going on in Asia there is a second wave spreading. A lot of people still don`t grasp the seriousness of what is happening.

Tony EH · 20-03-2020 11:50AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Eh the Chinese government were actually saying America released this virus into China...so the stupidness goes both ways

And the lately the Chinese media have calling the virus Italian flu and Japan flu etc

None of which is an excuse for Trump.

Gods Gift · 20-03-2020 11:51AM

Treat everyone as if you owe them money.

Rob A. Bank · 20-03-2020 11:51AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yes but with a huge dollop of no. The risks of such viral jumps are massively increased with certain animal husbandry practices and such practices are too common in certain parts of the world. The cultures of the far East being one. China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand. These practices have to be stopped.

And what about USA pig husbandry practices ?

We may have to rename the 1918 (H1N1) 'Spanish' flu pandemic (the deadliest pandemic in history so far) 'The USA Virus' or 'The Kansas Virus'. It killed an estimated 50 - 100 million people.

I agree the wet markets of Asia, Africa, and South America increase the risk but my point stands... It could happen anywhere on earth and modern air transport means it could be on our doorstep in days.

Dr Mike Ryan mentioned this when discussing the role of the World Health Organisation’s Health Emergencies Programme and how it reacts to crises around the world, in a lecture here in Ireland in 2017. He also showed just how many bullets we have dodged from possible pandemics recently. Shocking stuff !

scamalert · 20-03-2020 11:51AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The median incubation time is 5 days. Median time from onset of symptoms to death is 20 days.

Thats a 3 week lag anyway. Just being real. We really don't know as distancing measures which are not really being respect by large parts of society only came in a week ago.

and if we assume the virus was here well before march many would of shown or had it already passed and recovered.

seems some are just waiting to see it get worse for their own messed up mental health where they feel better sitting at home getting dole, and running out to the shop, can only imagine this will have on our next generation who will need half year off every time someone has a sniffle.

otnomart · 20-03-2020 11:51AM

is_that_so wrote: »

40,000 in Italy.

Lockdown started in Italy on 8-9 March
Lockdown started in France only this week-end

wakka12 · 20-03-2020 11:53AM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-california-issues-stay-at-home-order-to-40-million-residents-11960646
All residents in the state of California asked not to leave their homes unless absolutely necessary

skellig_rocks · 20-03-2020 11:53AM

Drumpot wrote: »

No, you don’t ramp up tensions in a Crisis because one side is trying to coax a reaction.. A level headed president worries about that after the crisis has averted and doesn’t respond. Trumps knee jerk reaction is basically taking the bait. He’s a disaster and making mistake after mistake.

The priority now is to address the issue, the issue isn’t propaganda it’s slowing the virus.

The problem is if US didn't response swiftly (abeit it is a becoming a bit ugly), people will actually start believing the Chinese narrative. A lot of my relatives in China believe the virus was spread by US Army. It is actually China try to reflect domestic and international blames and responsibilities to an easy target (i.e. US and Trump)

20-03-2020 11:53AM

gerbilgranny wrote: »

As an older (but not heading for a gold-standard pension) clerical officer in the public service, I would be in a position to manage if I had to take 6 weeks or so unpaid leave to help flatten the curve. The work that I do is not essential at this time. In fact I feel I'd be doing more service to the public by staying isolated to help flatten the curve.

I wish the government could introduce a voluntary-stay-at-home-with-no-pay scheme.

Absolutely, I work a back office role in the PS too and i would take a month or so unpaid leave also. Ideally I could work from home but that is not being entertained at all at the minute. Not enough equipment I have been told.

A lot of people work in my building. It is only a matter of time before someone is infected and the whole place will close.

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 11:54AM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It's very humid in parts of asia to be fair, probably dew to the sweat

In Dublin though. It’s a mixture of boredom, fear and using up hot water. Every time I hear someone cough outside scares the bejesus out of me.

otnomart · 20-03-2020 11:54AM

Scotty # wrote: »

Still plenty of activity over the Atlantic and MASSES of traffic to the canaries!!

Most of European Countries are in lockdown, guess they are flying empty to the Canaries and then repatriating the stranded

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP