CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Steve F · 20-03-2020 11:19AM

eagle eye wrote: »

How bad does it have to get before everybody takes this thing as seriously as they should?

Some won't till its too late.

Tony EH · 20-03-2020 11:19AM

citytillidie wrote: »

Ghost planes so airlines don’t lose their slots in airports I was to fly yesterday to Canada, got text and email on what gate to go to and such so I am guess the flight still went ahead

If the flight isn't in the air, it won't get tracked on Flightradar. The transponder in the aircraft is what lets the site know where a given plane is at a given time.

c.p.w.g.w · 20-03-2020 11:19AM

I think for some people to start taking this seriously it will take someone "famous" to die...

Also Simon Pegg & Nick Frost doing a better job than Bojo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEcMvbpHVmI

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-03-2020 11:20AM

eagle eye wrote: »

How bad does it have to get before everybody takes this thing as seriously as they should?

well Ecuador certainly are.

MD1990 · 20-03-2020 11:20AM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I genuinely can't understand how/why people are hung up on how many infected we have.

"We're on track to be worse than Italy"

Really? How many tests had Italy administered at this stage after their first positive test or their first death? How many did we test that were counted with yesterdays figures? We don't even know what days were counted in yesterdays figures.

The only important number is number of deaths and amount in ICU. ICU being the main one because it has a direct relationship with the number of deaths. Everything else is just a guessing game. The virus could be anywhere from 0.2% to 3.5% death rate in those infected, we're purely speculating with anything else.

Let's focus on the positives, our first case was weeks ago, we now have 3 deaths and 7 in ICU. This is a hell of a lot better than where Italy were at this stage.

It seems people are looking for the negatives here.

Best post I have seen here in a while.

Wibbs · 20-03-2020 11:20AM

eagle eye wrote: »

How bad does it have to get before everybody takes this thing as seriously as they should?

Quite bad I'd say. I'd be willing to bet that if this virus killed 50% of those infected, you would still have dribbling morons standing on top of each other in groups going on about "ah sure it's no harm". People can be thick, average or bright, but the Mob is always reactionary and often unbelievably stupid and needs leading and even force to keep it safe from itself.

Akrasia · 20-03-2020 11:20AM

Longing wrote: »

@Kermit.de.frog When this is all over there is one thing which will stand out to me. That is how selfish humanity is.

There are doctors and nurses and support staff going to work today to care for others knowing that they are putting their own lives at risk.

There are selfish people, but to say 'Humanity' is selfish is insulting to these people.

Steve F · 20-03-2020 11:21AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I genuinely think the vast majority of people in Ireland are treating this seriously.

I have been saying for months the real fight is against those that continue to deny the seriousness of this Virus not the virus itself

Quin_Dub · 20-03-2020 11:22AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Btw whats the story about that Malaria drug that Trump was going on about, I had heard about it and was hopeful, but when Trump starts calling it the cure - you know somethings wrong ...

As with everything that he says , it was mostly not true.

They have been using it , with some success in China and elsewhere since mid january , but it isn't a universal solution and has quite a few side-effects and risks.

The drug has not been approved by the FDA for Covid-19 treatment , nor is it "easily prescribed and taken" - Even a slight miscalculation in dosage can lead to death in a matter of hours so it absolutely positively could not be handed out over the counter and would have to be administered in a Hospital environment.

So - To clarify what Trump actually meant

A drug that has been in use elsewhere with some but limited positive effect on the Virus for 3 months has not yet been approved by the FDA and probably won't be any time soon ( in the context of this emergency) and even when it is, it's usage will have to be incredibly carefully controlled by medical professionals.

BluePlanet · 20-03-2020 11:23AM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Remember to those who get infected-you are doing your country and society a Service in the name of building our immunity

Can you show us the evidence that infected people that survive actually do acquire a long term immunity?

yourdeadwright · 20-03-2020 11:23AM

will the government tells us how many are in ICU,
That is probably the most important number to know ,
Currently 15 to 35 years olds are 2 /3rd of our infected ,we need to keep it like that ,

facehugger99 · 20-03-2020 11:23AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people calling for people not to go outside? We're not in official lockdown so people are entitled to go out if they wish.

Absolutely, no problems at all in going out for walks in the open air.

Some of the bedroom-dwellers on this thread could do with a break away from their screens and the f5 key. A couple of hours in the fresh air would do them no harm and probably quite a bit of good.

There was some lad yesterday complaining about a couple throwing a Frisbee -:rolleyes:

I'm going to continue living as normal a life as possible with some sensible precautions. The hysteria-merchants can spend the next couple of months curtain-twitching from their dark living rooms.

jamesf85 · 20-03-2020 11:24AM

scamalert wrote: »

few degrees up and kids are out and about, this crap isnt working, its hilarious how some describe their activities as if going outdoors they are going into radiation zone or something, lots of mild case flu going around, numbers dont matter if we all need eventually to get it. cant see this last past end of this month, the dole offices are probabbly burried by people on the dole, if hse got equipment ready and are prepared enough this should end by the month and back to usual, can't see with temperatures going up that anyone will stay in doors much longer, given good few months this been out here, its safe to assume many are infected or have been, but aside critical or dead, its pointless to go with daily updates, as its not spreading here like anywhere else so safe to assume many are ok.

I agree with one part, that the 'shutdown' won't go on for more than a month.

The rest of that was complete waffle, comparing it to the normal flu and that it's not spreading here like anywhere else.

Does the flu usually have every hospital in a country shut down?

Is Ireland someone different to the rest of the world where we're super immune or something?

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 11:24AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Because it helps nothing. At a time when we all need to work together to get through this Trump is looking to deflect attention from his own miserable failings on this (a lot of people are going to die, way more then would have happened had Trump not played politics and pretend this was a democratic hoax) and to try to make China the enemy. He is such a dangerous twat and he’s possibly the worst person to have as president of possibly the strongest country in the world during a crisis like this. He’s unhinged, uneducated in what needs to be done and motivated to find scapegoats (he was blaming Europe last week) which does nothing for everybody coming together to find a solution.

Similar to British media slamming Saint Patrick day parties. Instead of focusing on their government approach they strategically placed people in Green and portrayed them as the issue.

There was worse editorials than below but you get the idea

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-advice-ignored-st-patricks-21710113

weldoninhio · 20-03-2020 11:24AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Newstalk breakfast show this morning reported a memeber of the Chinese Red Cross was in Italy to advise on how they are dealing with it, he was reported to have been alarmed at the level of outdoor activity.

His advice was a lockdown means a lockdown,

People should not be going out to socialise, only if it is utterly essential.

How things are playing out in Italy would appear he is right and we need to see it here.

We aren't in lockdown.

ArchXStanton · 20-03-2020 11:24AM

"Cardiologist at Blackrock Clinic Dr Paddy Barrett,has said controlling our fear will be a huge challenge that we will have to face during this Covid-19 pandemic

Alos speaking on Morning Ireland he said we are battling on two fronts, the first being the coronavirus and the second "are the emotions we have to challenge."

"Fear is an incredibly important emotion. It orients us to where we should pay attention to but it can also overwhelm us and become the mind killer."

Someone's been watching Dune....

hubiedubie · 20-03-2020 11:25AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Things might be a lot better now if the Neoliberal agenda of ‘low tax’, 'privatization', ‘deregulation’ and ‘small government’ had not caused a chronic under-funding of our public health services.

Yawn.

Lord Trollington · 20-03-2020 11:26AM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I genuinely can't understand how/why people are hung up on how many infected we have.

"We're on track to be worse than Italy"

Really? How many tests had Italy administered at this stage after their first positive test or their first death? How many did we test that were counted with yesterdays figures? We don't even know what days were counted in yesterdays figures.

The only important number is number of deaths and amount in ICU. ICU being the main one because it has a direct relationship with the number of deaths. Everything else is just a guessing game. The virus could be anywhere from 0.2% to 3.5% death rate in those infected, we're purely speculating with anything else.

Let's focus on the positives, our first case was weeks ago, we now have 3 deaths and 7 in ICU. This is a hell of a lot better than where Italy were at this stage.

It seems people are looking for the negatives here.

Can you directly compare Ireland v Italy at the same number of days after the 1st case ?

What date was Ireland 1st case v Italy 1st case .

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 11:26AM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I agree with one part, that the 'shutdown' won't go on for more than a month.

The rest of that was complete waffle, comparing it to the normal flu and that it's not spreading here like anywhere else.

Does the flu usually have every hospital in a country shut down?

Is Ireland someone different to the rest of the world where we're super immune or something?

We are not super immune and hospitals are very close to full. We only have 250 icu beds in the country and the worry is what is coming. We acted quickly and the high risk seemed to isolate early but the fact that we are not at breaking point should not be seen as a sign to relax.

Cilldara_2000 · 20-03-2020 11:26AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

will the government tells us how many are in ICU,
That is probably the most important number to know ,
Currently 15 to 35 years olds are 2 /3rd of our infected ,we need to keep it like that ,

Why is it important to know? Would any particular number have any impact on your behaviour?

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-03-2020 11:27AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

We aren't in lockdown.

Oh holy lord,

I know we are not.

He is in Italy, he was commenting on what he sees is being done wrong in Italy, the outdoor socialising is his opinion.

Why should we have to wait for someone else to say to us we need to do it at a point in the future, anyone using logic will see it should be done now by everyone.

Thelonious Monk · 20-03-2020 11:27AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I genuinely think the vast majority of people in Ireland are treating this seriously.

Really not. Cycled past 5 or 6 lads working out at the outdoor gym at clontarf seafront today, no gloves doing pull ups etc. People everywhere. Supermarkets with kids and people on top of each other.
Apart from schools being close and some business, life is going on as usual. That's why it's going to spread like crazy, and I don't think most people will take this seriously until it's up to 10,000 cases or so.

Gods Gift · 20-03-2020 11:27AM

A frisbee spinning as it goes through the air could shed the virus.

Please use an imaginary frisbee.

Roger_007 · 20-03-2020 11:28AM

BluePlanet wrote: »

Can you show us the evidence that infected people that survive actually do acquire a long term immunity?

How could anybody know if there would be long term immunity or not. The virus is only around for a few months. The best you could say is that your chances of being reinfected would be substantially lower. However, if the virus mutates you are back to square one.

skellig_rocks · 20-03-2020 11:28AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Because it helps nothing. At a time when we all need to work together to get through this Trump is looking to deflect attention from his own miserable failings on this (a lot of people are going to die, way more then would have happened had Trump not played politics and pretend this was a democratic hoax) and to try to make China the enemy. He is such a dangerous twat and he’s possibly the worst person to have as president of possibly the strongest country in the world during a crisis like this. He’s unhinged, uneducated in what needs to be done and motivated to find scapegoats (he was blaming Europe last week) which does nothing for everybody coming together to find a solution.

China tries to deflect the blame of the crisis to the US army.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/us-military-may-have-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan-says-china-in-war-of-words-with-us

Only afterward he started using the term "Chinese Virus". Of course he is playing with politics, but if the Chinese are playing dirty politics, what would you do? Also China are spreading propaganda about how Italian sang Chinese national anthem in a Italian town and the Chinese donated masks (Italian government bought them). Don't underestimated China propaganda machine and its will to alter history. At least now everyone knows the virus is originated from China.

tobefrank321 · 20-03-2020 11:29AM

GM228 wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been posted?

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1240474928333414401?s=19

I'm sure plenty will be saying there should be vehicles spread all over Ireland's runways....

Nope, that's just craziness and no call for that sort of thing.

Grounding of flights should be managed in a controlled and co-ordinated manner. The EU should have led on this in Europe. But the EU being the EU they insisted on core EU principles of freedom of movement even when it was clear it would mean the spreading of coronavirus rapidly all over Europe.

We are reaping the results of that decision now.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-03-2020 11:29AM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

"Cardiologist at Blackrock Clinic Dr Paddy Barrett,has said controlling our fear will be a huge challenge that we will have to face during this Covid-19 pandemic

Alos speaking on Morning Ireland he said we are battling on two fronts, the first being the coronavirus and the second "are the emotions we have to challenge."

"Fear is an incredibly important emotion. It orients us to where we should pay attention to but it can also overwhelm us and become the mind killer."

Someone's been watching Dune....

WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF

Rob A. Bank · 20-03-2020 11:29AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Bu he's not actually wrong blaming China is he

YES he is ! Classic Trumpian distraction technique from his own obvious failures in tackling the virus

There is no logic to finding countries to blame for pandemics, just like that despicable orange idiot in the white house and some here.

If Trumps logic is followed we may have to rename the 1918 (H1N1) 'Spanish' flu pandemic (the deadliest pandemic in history so far) 'The USA Virus' or 'The Kansas Virus'. It killed an estimated 50 - 100 million people.

Using the same logic...the USA did not learn... they also 'caused' the 2009 influenza A (H1N1) pandemic, infecting 31,000 people with 1,900 deaths. Yeaa let's call that one 'The USA2 Virus' or 'The California Virus'.

A two-year-old boy called Emile Ouamouno from Guinea in Africa became infected with Ebola virus by playing in a hollow tree housing a colony of bats. He infected his mother and sister and sadly all three died.

That started the recent (2013) Ebola epidemic infecting 28,616 people with 11,310 deaths.

Are you going blame the dead toddler ?

Are you going to punish the country of Guinea for this ?

The jump of animal bugs to humans could happen anywhere (including Ireland). Trying to find someone or some country to blame is a total waste of time and energy.

It’s just a matter of chance or bad luck.

Sh*t happens.

Akrasia · 20-03-2020 11:29AM

BluePlanet wrote: »

Can you show us the evidence that infected people that survive actually do acquire a long term immunity?

how could there possibly be evidence of this when the virus has only existed for about 5 months?

There is evidence that the coronavirus is not prone to rapid mutation and therefore there is a good reason to believe that once your immune system has learned how to fight this virus, that it will be at least partially immune to it later on.
We know that similar viruses like SARS and MERS are mostly once off events that can lead to immunity

There is a chance that it can be persistant, like herps, but we have no way of knowing yet.
There isn't any evidence that the virus can remain dormant in the human system like the Herpes virus, so there is no point in speculating that it does.

Wibbs · 20-03-2020 11:29AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The drug has not been approved by the FDA for Covid-19 treatment , nor is it "easily prescribed and taken" - Even a slight miscalculation in dosage can lead to death in a matter of hours so it absolutely positively could not be handed out over the counter and would have to be administered in a Hospital environment.

If it's Hydroxychloroquine they're talking about, it's been around for decades(since the 60's IIRC) and yes while there are some side effects and contraindications, it's relatively safe. Millions of people around the world take it by prescription.

CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

Comments

CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP