CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

marilynrr · 20-03-2020 01:42AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've been following this quite closely but have been struggling to explain how Italy got such staggering numbers? If the virus is spread through droplets, have they been going around coughing on each other? Surely means its airborne.

They kiss on the cheek when they greet each other

cnocbui · 20-03-2020 01:42AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

We actually manufacture quite a bit of high tech gear in this Country. If car builders converted to building bombers during the war, I don't think we're beyond making masks and ventilators.

Ventilators are already made in Galway and masks in Limerick.

ACitizenErased · 20-03-2020 01:42AM

marilynrr wrote: »

They kiss on the cheek when they greet each other

I'm convinced it has to be something like that that's causing the spread.

patnor1011 · 20-03-2020 01:43AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Bank account or your wealth either way. Maybe i'm used to everything going through my bank account rather than physical cash transactions. Its how most of us get paid, money transferred in, no physical cash involved.

Most people look to their bank account balance before deciding if they can afford something.

I guess there's still some people who look under the mattress or in the biscuit tin. Why we continue to cater for these is beyond me.

In my experience people who avoid the use of bank accounts usually have something to hide.

The overall point is we don't need physical cash. Its largely an obsolete idea.

That is the very precise argument they want to push through.
It’s not that I have something to hide. I have nothing I want you to see.
Everyone use bank account - me too. Point is that cash is giving you freedom to use it without someone instantly knowing when and what you do.
I bet nobody would be quite happy when they realize that scores of other people will know what you earn and where you spend it to the last cent which is what cashless really is.

V8 Interceptor · 20-03-2020 01:44AM

15 Italians who were in Ireland test positive for Coronavirus on return to Italy

https://gript.ie/15-italians-who-were-in-ireland-test-positive-for-coronavirus-on-return-to-italy/

15 Italians who were in Ireland for flight assistant training with Ryanair have Covid19. Some of them were under treatment in two hospitals in Dublin while others have been quarantined.

It is believed that they contracted the virus in Bergamo, near Milan, where the training began. Bergamo is the area with of the largest number
of Corona virus deaths in Italy. Ryanair daily direct flights from Bergamo (Orio al Serio) to Dublin were discontinued only on 10th March.

The group left Bergamo for Bari on 2nd March, when the whole Lombardy region was locked down, and they arrived in Dublin on Saturday 7th March.

rob316 · 20-03-2020 01:44AM

I use my debit card alot but cash is absolute king. Untraceable and when the banks meltdown it'll still work just fine.

tikkahunter · 20-03-2020 01:45AM

Fakediamond wrote: »

I think we’ll be left to our own fate too, the richer countries will look after their own first. Ultimately, there’s a finite amount of equipment, medicines, oxygen. When demand outstrips supply, we’re at the very end of a long supply chain

We produce ventilators in this country and bottle oxygen , we have also every top pharmaceutical plant operating on this Island.

rob316 · 20-03-2020 01:47AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've been following this quite closely but have been struggling to explain how Italy got such staggering numbers? If the virus is spread through droplets, have they been going around coughing on each other? Surely means its airborne.

You clearly haven't so.

Oldest population around
Median infection age 63
Highly densely populated area (same as munster, 10m vs 1m people)
Spread undetected
and yes they kiss each other alot.

kowloon · 20-03-2020 01:47AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

There is a company from Derby who's test diagnoses in 10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8118165/British-company-claims-created-coronavirus-test-detect-COVID-19-ten-minutes.html

I wonder if there's someone working on a nine-minute test.

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20-03-2020 01:48AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

My wife is in the public service, thats not what she is seeing.

Offices are closed to the public. Hand hygiene stations have been installed, social distancing being enforced. Remote working is in place where possible, usually no more than one third to one half of staff in any department. 2 metre minimum desk spacings and chairs being removed in offices and canteens. Non essential staff are being excused, but where necessary staff are being reassigned to contact tracing, emergency measures implementation and social welfare processing.

Its not ideal but there's tons of services than must be maintained, there cannot be a mass excuse from working.

its varying hugely from place to place

the instructions from dper are clear enough imo but local depts just do as they wish regardless.

some depts simply arent communicating at all, some have instructed staff to attend work under threat of disciplinary regardless of wfh capability or urgency of work, some places have told staff stay home regardless of there being work they can do remotely

some depts far, far better prepared for remote working than others.

therell be major inquests into how some depts have found themselves still in the 90s or how they just havent reacted since the whole thing broke.

line managers left in a rotten position in places.

unions hopeless also, maybe there'll be an article about it in the next forsa mag eh

Kermit.de.frog · 20-03-2020 01:48AM

https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1240691981153480705

marilynrr · 20-03-2020 01:48AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm convinced it has to be something like that that's causing the spread.

There's a good chance it has played a big part in it. Also when they are kissing on the cheek where do they put their hands? maybe on the other persons arms or elbows or another part of their body and the virus is staying on the clothes and being spread that way when the person touches their own clothes or the next person touches them to greet them!

Christy42 · 20-03-2020 01:48AM

rob316 wrote: »

I use my debit card alot but cash is absolute king. Untraceable and when the banks meltdown it'll still work just fine.

It really won't work fine without the banks. If the banks stopped taking notes tomorrow then any notes you had would be worth the paper they are printed on and nothing more.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-03-2020 01:49AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

15 Italians who were in Ireland test positive for Coronavirus on return to Italy

Ah, Gript. If they tell you the sun will rise in the morning, get corroboration.

ACitizenErased · 20-03-2020 01:49AM

rob316 wrote: »

You clearly haven't so.

Oldest population around
Median infection age 63
Highly densely populated area (same as munster, 10m vs 1m people)
Spread undetected
and yes they kiss each other alot.

And yet people keep comparing Italy to us.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-03-2020 01:50AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The cash society leads to widespread tax evasion in many sectors. Its also how many criminal transactions are carried out. If you have nothing to hide then all your banking transactions should be transparent, unless some are illegal?

If everything you do in your house is legal, why do you have curtains on your windows?

saabsaab · 20-03-2020 01:51AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

15 Italians who were in Ireland test positive for Coronavirus on return to Italy

https://gript.ie/15-italians-who-were-in-ireland-test-positive-for-coronavirus-on-return-to-italy/

15 Italians who were in Ireland for flight assistant training with Ryanair have Covid19. Some of them were under treatment in two hospitals in Dublin while others have been quarantined.

It is believed that they contracted the virus in Bergamo, near Milan, where the training began. Bergamo is the area with of the largest number
of Corona virus deaths in Italy. Ryanair daily direct flights from Bergamo (Orio al Serio) to Dublin were discontinued only on 10th March.

The group left Bergamo for Bari on 2nd March, when the whole Lombardy region was locked down, and they arrived in Dublin on Saturday 7th March.

This is very interesting. How many of the thousands of Italian tourists had it coming here? Too late now but it was insane to let them travel.

bekker · 20-03-2020 01:51AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Not valid example as inflation will affect digital money in the same way as it affect cash.
With possible excemption that in case of hyperinflation cash may really be the king as you can get a lot of heat from bales of money.

Provided that you have the wherewithal to acquire them.

My point was that physical paper money is no more independent of the vicissitudes of fiat that any other representation of fiat.

Physical metal fulfils the virtues being advanced for notes, albeit with accompanying difficulties exchanging.

kowloon · 20-03-2020 01:51AM

rob316 wrote: »

I use my debit card alot but cash is absolute king. Untraceable and when the banks meltdown it'll still work just fine.

As a general rule, all the banks going under affects the value of the currency a little.

Larbre34 · 20-03-2020 01:51AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Ventilators are already made in Galway and masks in Limerick.

Marvellous! There should be online conferences set up with designers and engineers in other suitable companies to adopt the component designs and get building asap.

Donald Trump · 20-03-2020 01:52AM

Christy42 wrote: »

It really won't work fine without the banks. If the banks stopped taking notes tomorrow then any notes you had would be worth the paper they are printed on and nothing more.

Ye are all talking about different things and I don't think any of it is relevant here.

One side is talking about the anonymity of using cash - i.e. you can go and pay a hooker and your missus won't find out.

Other side is talking about cash as a unit of accounting being the same as numbers on you internet banking screen

patnor1011 · 20-03-2020 01:52AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The cash society leads to widespread tax evasion in many sectors.

Not true. Corporate tax evasion is by a magnitude higher that that of little people like you and me. Take apple vs ireland as an example.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Its also how many criminal transactions are carried out.

Not in these days. And not for quite some time. In fact it was proven that most of the criminal transactions are facilitated by some of the biggest banks.
I get that street dealers are taking cash but that is then transferred to a bank which then launder that money - look like how cartels used HSBC to launder money and that is just one example.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

If you have nothing to hide then all your banking transactions should be transparent, unless some are illegal?

This again? It’s not that I have something to hide. I have nothing I want you to see.

20-03-2020 01:54AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ye are all talking about different things and I don't think any of it is relevant here.

One side is talking about the anonymity of using cash - i.e. you can go and pay a hooker and your missus won't find out.

Other side is talking about cash as a unit of accounting being the same as numbers on you internet banking screen

some ppl were talking about the coronavirus a while back but that seems to have dropped off somehow!

leck · 20-03-2020 01:54AM

Fakediamond wrote: »

I think we’ll be left to our own fate too, the richer countries will look after their own first. Ultimately, there’s a finite amount of equipment, medicines, oxygen. When demand outstrips supply, we’re at the very end of a long supply chain

At present, the HSE has 500 ventilators and 1,000 respiratory machines, Mr Harris told RTÉ radio. He added that the Government will procure a further 300 ventilators and between 80-90 machines per week thereafter.

It will also look to avail of 164 ventilation rooms in private-hospital facilities.

“We are also in very active talks with companies in Ireland, large companies who produce a lot of ventilators and generally export them,” said Mr Harris. “We need those ventilators. Companies based in Ireland making ventilators, we need them to make them available.”

The news comes as medical device company Medtronic, which has facilities in Galway and Athlone, announced plans to more than double its manufacturing capacity in a bid to meet the global demand for ventilators.

Around half of the ventilators manufactured in the world are made in Ireland, mainly by Medtronic, according to IDA Ireland.

Source: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/coronavirus-hse-and-ida-in-talks-with-ventilator-manufacturers-988985.html

freshpopcorn · 20-03-2020 01:55AM

Steve F wrote: »

Are Banks still doing that?:eek:

It's very common especially in towns in my experience.
In the city store card is very common but in the town store card sales would only be about 25% on a good day and they are generally people who work in the city.
Our BOI went very faceless banking a few years ago and the AIB went 50/50 and it's far more popular in my area.
People just pop in and take money out and met somebody. Lots don't even bother with the ATM.

20-03-2020 01:55AM

Fakediamond wrote: »

I think we’ll be left to our own fate too, the richer countries will look after their own first. Ultimately, there’s a finite amount of equipment, medicines, oxygen. When demand outstrips supply, we’re at the very end of a long supply chain

I believe at this stage it looks like we will weather the Covid19 health storm quite well. Where we will miss EU support is in the economic recovery afterwards. There will be no Troika bailout this time, we're on our own. This could well destroy the EU, because each country will have their own problems and without handouts from the EU money tree, nations will decide they are better off on their own.

rob316 · 20-03-2020 01:56AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

And yet people keep comparing Italy to us.

Its just pure fear., people just refuse to consider the demographics, its bizarre. The first country it popped up in Europe was always going to get the worst of it.

davedanon · 20-03-2020 01:56AM

Half of the world's ventilators are made here already. Nearly all by a US firm called Medtronic.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-03-2020 01:56AM

statesaver wrote: »

I always thought a virus needs a living host

Ebola spreads via corpses. Not exclusively of course but it’s one of the main transmission routes.

davedanon · 20-03-2020 01:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe at this stage it looks like we will weather the Covid19 health storm quite well. Where we will miss EU support is in the economic recovery afterwards. There will be no Troika bailout this time, we're on our own. This could well destroy the EU, because each country will have their own problems and without handouts from the EU money tree, nations will decide they are better off on their own.

I believe it looks like you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP