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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #3092
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,423 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Holohan says that's without mitigation and that the effect of the measures will not be clear for about another 10 days.

    Have you link to that?

    Does he mean without further mitigation?

    Because Leo corrected a reporter who said 10k and Leo said no 15k.


  • #3093
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    deathbomber wrote: »
    We really need to lock down, we are in last chance saloon, some people are not abiding and wandering around in groups and arranging to meet friends, they are indirectly contributing to the spread and ultimately partly responsible for deaths.
    Very positive news emerging about treatments using ant malarials and then some new drugs, we need to grind this out for 4 weeks so we can reduce deaths and start getting these drugs, some of which are already in plentiful supply and very cheap to make because they are around decades! EVERYONE has their part to play in this!!!

    No we dont. Regardless of a complete lockdown the same idiots will continie to do idiotic things.

    I would argue a complete lockdown would put to much pressure on frontline services. It would just be anothet measure they'd have to try and enforce.

    We dont need a complete lockdown. Enough people are already out of work without a total shutdown.


  • #3094
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    CymbaltaMan wrote: »
    Yes - It's what we typically all do but we are changing slowly.

    Nice smart watch with G'Pay would be hand alternative to using a wallet :pac:

    Or just wear one glove, have a clean hand and dirty hand.
    The dirty hand touches the trolley, doors, etc.. the clean hand for your wallet, phone, scratch your face, etc..
    Slide clean fingers up the inside of the dirty glove to remove.


  • #3095
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    dan786 wrote: »
    Todays UK Update

    The total number of people in the UK who have contracted COVID-19 is now 3,269 - a rise of 643 in 24 hours. 144 Deaths.

    Erm you mean that have been tested and confirmed


  • #3096
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Holohan says that's without mitigation and that the effect of the measures will not be clear for about another 10 days.

    They'd better get up to date with the testing so. It is the clearing of backlog that is causing today's massive rise.
    Still loads of people waiting to be tested.


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  • #3097
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Is that so
    And you had to bring up the missing question mark!:(


  • #3098
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    bb12 wrote: »
    disagree completely esp for people who don't have any sanitiser and are out and about. disposable gloves are a life saver. put them on before leaving the vehicle, do your shopping and dispose of them into bin before hopping back in vehicle. the door handles won't even be infected them.

    i believe the only reason why there is a message against mask wearing is because there are none available to buy. if they don't work why are they mandatory for anyone going outside in china or south korea? anyone i know who works in pharma or biomed tells me to wear masks at all time when venturing outside.

    If wearing them makes you feel better go ahead. All I am saying is that as someone who is actually trained in aseptic technique and how to wear gloves and masks I am seeing most people doing things which makes the gloves and mask practically useless.

    I work in Biopharma so this is the basics to me. I don’t go around telling the general public to buy masks for a few reasons. Most masks are not high enough grade to protect you against viruses, the masks that are high enough grade are needed by the health service and lastly general public don’t know how to correctly put on their masks.


  • #3099
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    mick987 wrote: »
    The French have used it with very good result( only used on a small number at the moment ) and the British have started using it today.

    Trump mentioned a couple of drugs and indeed 1 is still being reviewed however the other 1 as you state is around decades and indeed is very cheap and tests were very positive with people recovering. Trump would love a new US wonder drug to be approved of course for obvious reasons!!


  • #3100
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Leo, fg and the outgoing/caretaking government got us into this sh*t. The day the island of Ireland got its first case was the day they should have put a stop to flights coming in from the known European hotspot at the time. There was no quarantine measures either. People were told to self isolate if they show symptoms. They got us into this and the mess that is going to unfold here.

    Get a grip


  • #3101
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭threeball


    pH wrote: »
    In what way is 15,000 a 'worst prediction'

    Here's what Leo Varadkar actually said:

    so far the number of cases in Ireland has been relatively small.

    However, we believe that number will rise to 15,000 cases or more by the end of the month and rise further in the weeks thereafter.

    The vast majority of us who contract Covid-19 will experience a mild illness… but some will be hospitalised and sadly some people will die.

    We cannot stop this virus but working together we can slow it in its tracks and push it back.

    We can, as you have heard by now – flatten the curve. But only if everyone takes sustained action. Nothing less will do.

    From this statement you can also conclude that the official Irish government policy is the same as the Dutch policy (ie the policy the UK abandoned) of flattening the curve and slowing it down (rather than suppression).

    Maybe the Irish government have a different model to the UK one (if they do they haven't shown it to anyone)?

    Yet people will argue til they are blue in the face that that is not what the strategy is. Mainly because they don't want it to be and think they can somehow dodge the bullet.

    However it is not correct to say it is the same as the UK, as we have introduced mitigation and suppression early, which will have an affect on our numbers as will the density of our population. Our cities will cause an early spike especially of those not adhering to the guidelines but that will dip and our rural population will help to slow the spread and keep the curve low. The UK have done precisely nothing and its showing even at this early stage.

    Cases mean nothing, its ICU beds and deaths. If we keep the right people safe we will come through this about as well as we could expect.


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  • #3102
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Seamai wrote: »
    Thick people exist everywhere, we don't have a monopoly on it. I was out for a stroll too and for the most part people were observing social distancing with gangs of teens being the ones most likely to be the ones ignoring the recommendations.

    Like many I'm I pretty shocked with the figures coming out of Italy and wondering is there something were are missing in they way they are dealing with the crises. Yesterday morning I was walking to work in Cork city centre and I passed an Italian cafe on Washington St. that is basically an Italian community centre, with many of the city's Italian regulars frequenting it. It was packed to the rafters as if nothing was wrong WTF! Have they got a death wish? Or are the only paying attention to Italian media and ignoring where the actually live.

    Posted the above earlier before I had finished and made my last point.


  • #3103
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And you had to bring up the missing question mark!:(

    🙈 :P


  • #3104
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    B&Q is very busy. Many planning DIY and garden projects during the real lockdown.

    100% agreed.
    A lot of maintenance and decorating will be done over the course of this period.

    Have tiled my sitting room and hall last weekend.
    Cleaned out mine and my neighbour's gutters today aswell as power washing the drive and patio.
    Next job on will be to fit new skirting boards and lay some new flooring in the master bedroom.

    Now I'm sure my wife will sort out more jobs for me to get done during my downtime ;)


  • #3105
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    My daughter works in Costa. She’s had her 23 year old eyes well and truly opened at how spoilt stupid petulant disobedient and selfish people are.


  • #3106
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    So what's an acceptable level of mortality in your eyes?

    Constructive. I dont want anybody to die. Its a global pandemic though so we need to try and mitigate the risk to the vulneravle. I just dont think a full legally enforced lockdown is the way to go.


  • #3107
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Boggles wrote: »
    Have you link to that?

    Does he mean without further mitigation?

    Because Leo corrected a reporter who said 10k and Leo said no 15k.
    It was this evening's briefing, but that was my understanding of the 15K total anyway as per the model. I have no idea where that briefing can be found, sorry. He did say they will see how these measures are working in about 10 days but also said at present they don't expect to have to escalate things.

    EDIT: Here it is - it comes up in the Q&A from about 11.40 onwards

    https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1PlJQmzOvQyJE


  • #3108
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    davemckenna25 wrote: »
    Or just wear one glove, have a clean hand and dirty hand.
    The dirty hand touches the trolley, doors, etc.. the clean hand for your wallet, phone, scratch your face, etc..
    Slide clean fingers up the inside of the dirty glove to remove.

    Actually this would be the most sensible approach for most people that want to wear gloves.


  • #3109
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    deathbomber wrote: »
    Trump mentioned a couple of drugs and indeed 1 is still being reviewed however the other 1 as you state is around decades and indeed is very cheap and tests were very positive with people recovering. Trump would love a new US wonder drug to be approved of course for obvious reasons!!
    FDA say it hasn't been approved!


  • #3110
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    smelly sock wrote: »
    No we dont. Regardless of a complete lockdown the same idiots will continie to do idiotic things.

    I would argue a complete lockdown would put to much pressure on frontline services. It would just be anothet measure they'd have to try and enforce.

    We dont need a complete lockdown. Enough people are already out of work without a total shutdown.

    Yes we do, you are incorrect. We are on the same trajectory as Italy was and their health service is regarded to be better and more icu beds per head of the population. We will be forced to lock down either way, best do it now, flatten the curve and then hopefully the treatment will be available, particularly the anti malaria drugs


  • #3111
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Re gloves, masks, etc., advice from HSE consultant in Coronavirus 'ask me anything' earlier in the week https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219#4

    Reposting as post seems to have been missed and issue still being discussed.


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  • #3112
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    mohawk wrote: »
    Actually this would be the most sensible approach for most people that want to wear gloves.

    And everyone thought it was an affectation when Michael Jackson wore a single glove:P


  • #3113
    Musefan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Musefan


    Working from home now as our service is closed. Awaiting redeployment. Most likely will be swabbing this time next week!


  • #3114
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Ffs.

    Where to start. You do realise that people are still going out and about and to work etc. We're just being more careful and trying to prevent transmissions. We cant just press pause and stop working or leaving the house.

    What's your solution or suggestion? We need to maintain a balance. Absolutely no need for a complete shutdown or lockdown.

    Where did I suggest shutdown or lockdown in my post? Incoming flights from the known hotspot at the time, should have been halted.


  • #3115
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    deathbomber wrote: »
    Yes we do, you are incorrect. We are on the same trajectory as Italy was and their health service is regarded to be better and more icu beds per head of the population. We will be forced to lock down either way, best do it now, flatten the curve and then hopefully the treatment will be available, particularly the anti malaria drugs

    I disagree with respect.

    What exactly is your definition of a full lock down by the way? I hear people making the suggestion but nobody really seems to know what it entails.


  • #3116
    Silverfish
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    banie01 wrote: »
    100% agreed.
    A lot of maintenance and decorating will be done over the course of this period.

    Have tiled my sitting room and hall last weekend.
    Cleaned out mine and my neighbour's gutters today aswell as power washing the drive and patio.
    Next job on will be to fit new skirting boards and lay some new flooring in the master bedroom.

    Now I'm sure my wife will sort out more jobs for me to get done during my downtime ;)

    When you're done there, you can quarantine here for a bit.


  • #3117
    SweetCaliber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭SweetCaliber


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Has anyone mapped today's results into Italian curve, how's the flattering going?

    The median age is a bit worrying here at 43yrs old.

    Here you go:

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    That's based on the first 18 days in each country.


  • #3118
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I disagree with respect.

    What exactly is your definition of a full lock down by the way? I hear people making the suggestion but nobody really seems to know what it entails.

    Everybody chained to their beds with the army going around feeding them fish heads once a day.


  • #3119
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Where did I suggest shutdown or lockdown in my post? Incoming flights from the known hotspot at the time, should have been halted.

    Yeh i can see why you think that. Not really sure how it might have helped overall though in the gramlnd scheme. It was on its way here regardless.


  • #3120
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I disagree with respect.

    What exactly is your definition of a full lock down by the way? I hear people making the suggestion but nobody really seems to know what it entails.

    I think they mean the same measures that Italy and Spain are taking right now. Why wait until the hospitals are struggling. There must be a good reason they are not starting it earlier?


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  • #3121
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    "The Dutch association for intensive care units is expecting between 500 and a thousand new Covid-19 patients next week.
    With some measures, the Netherlands can have 1,500 ICU beds available"
    https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/19/intensive-care-expects-500-1000-coronavirus-patients-next-week


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