CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Mwengwe · 19-03-2020 02:36PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Families walking together is not so much an issue, even four or five people : it's the need to keep away from 'other' families.

I think this is the wrong attitude. Everyone should be assuming they're a carrier, symptoms or not. If you knew you had the virus would you distance yourself from the rest of your family? a: Yes.

walshb · 19-03-2020 02:36PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If I remember correctly she had a fine set of lungs on her.

Yeh, there was a big writeup on it. Page 3 if I recall..

rossie1977 · 19-03-2020 02:37PM

Kivaro wrote: »

It is obvious that many people in Ireland do no understand the concept of social distancing, and it is evident all over the country.
An "official" enforced lock-down is the only alternative since a large number of people are not listening to best practices ............. or they just don't care.

Not just Ireland. When Italy closed schools it just saw a rush of people to restaurants/bars/beaches.

They started paying for it 2 weeks later.

Our full lock-down is coming, not sure when but its coming.

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 02:37PM

pH wrote: »

"Wolfgang Wodarg says:
The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.
Evidence-based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media, and ministries."

And this is the problem that someone like Boris Johnson (and Trump) had in the last few weeks. These points of view are out there, from serious people with actual credentials in virology and epidemics.

The world was a very difference place 30 days ago:
"Did the US overreact to the outbreak" (18 Feb)
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051011/science-vs-politics-did-us-overreact-coronavirus-outbreak-china

Angela Rasmussen, a virologist who serves on the faculty at the Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University’s school of public health.

Rolling Stone: You’ve argued that “containment is no longer possible” with coronavirus and “it’s now time to shift to mitigation.” How should that change our strategy and tactics in dealing with this outbreak?

Angela Rasmussen: We need to focus on trying to minimize the spread. And that means two things. First of all: making sure that our health care systems are prepared. It also means educating the public about what coronavirus in their community means, how to protect themselves, how to minimize their exposure risks — and also not to panic and overwhelm their health care systems, which is my biggest concern.

Rolling Stone (March 2nd)
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/containment-failed-coronavirus-spreading-america-960309/

I could go on and keep linking these articles and quoting experts, but I won't. And this is why we need to give people like Boris Johnson and (dare I say it) even Trump some slack.

Oul Wolfie is a bit of a crank and really more obsessed with personal liberties. He may be right but he has been banging the same drum on new viruses for quite a long time and the undue influence of pharmaceutical companies on governments on vaccines. Another claim to fame was supervising Gert Postel at university, a fraudster, who posed as a doctor and was eventually imprisoned.

drunkmonkey · 19-03-2020 02:37PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Judging by the last few pages I get the impression that this whole virus thing might blow over before the summer......
Between existing drugs (used for other conditions) + an overestimate as to how many might die, I think this whole business "might have been" blown out of all proportion ?

The UK & Ireland are not Italy.

To quote an expert, this isn't a blizzard it's the start of a cold winter.
It's not going to blow over quickly, I'm hoping we have an advantage here on the island if we get very serious very quickly.

ThePopehimself · 19-03-2020 02:37PM

pH wrote: »

Maybe Trevor's year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpjigCffIX8

Ah poor Trev, seems like a good bloke

BluePlanet · 19-03-2020 02:38PM

Tell me how wrote: »

When he landed at Logan in Boston, he was asked zero questions and wasn't even scanned for fever.

If he's an American citizen they can't refuse him entry anyway.
So what would the fever test actually accomplish?
It would just be informational and they probably want someone else to shoulder the cost.

An Ciarraioch · 19-03-2020 02:38PM

77 cases reported in NI, which would be an increase of 9 since yesterday:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/19/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-london-lockdown-williamson-refuses-to-rule-out-government-putting-london-in-lockdown-by-weekend

tobefrank321 · 19-03-2020 02:38PM

otnomart wrote: »

The Robert Koch daily report for Germany can be downloaded from this page in English.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Gesamt.html

From the latest:
"Among these cases, 4,605 are male (56%) and 3,568 female (44%).

The age range is from 0 to 96 years, including 67 children under the age of 5, 199 children aged 5 to 14 years, 6,557 persons aged 15 to 59 years and 1,337 persons 60 years and older(see Figure 2). The age of 38 notified cases is unknown.The median age is 47 years"
Based on this, I guess that they are not reporting deaths in case of comorbidities, and that they are only reporting a "death by coronavirus" only if the person had no other health condition.

The difference between Italy and Germany can easily be explained by the age of those who caught it.

In Italy close to 3000 have died, the vast majority over 70. Assuming a mortality rate of 10%, in reality something like 30,000 Italians over 70 have likely caught it.

In Germany 1337 over 60 have caught it. Assuming 1000 are those over 70, then this is much lower than Italy, even allowing for those who haven't been tested for it.

Germany has done a far better job of isolating its elderly. There are other reasons too. Italians would likely have more regular extended family gatherings for dinner and the like. Possibly more smokers too. The Italians don't even bother treating most elderly now in Italy, whereas the Germans aren't that overwhelmed.

There's crucial lessons here for us. We definitely want to follow the German model.

Ficheall · 19-03-2020 02:39PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

There's crucial lessons here for us. We definitely want to follow the German model.

Reporting deaths differently?

Bannasidhe · 19-03-2020 02:40PM

dublin99 wrote: »

This is not scaremongering. This is a fact. A second dog, a two year old German Shepherd has tested positive. Dod owners should be aware of it!

Professor Malik Peiris, a leading public health virologist at the University of Hong Kong:
“It is very likely that the two positive cases [in Hong Kong] are examples of human to dog transmission”

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3075993/coronavirus-hong-kong-confirms-second-dog

2 cases of suspected human to dog transmission globally. Both dogs were on the lower end of infection and showed zero symptoms.

One of which was elderly and died of unknown causes after it had twice tested negative and been released from quarantine.

If you can provide a bit more scientific evidence to support your 'dogs can get it ...!!!....One died...!!!' initial post then I will accept that people need to be made aware.

Until such time I will say - you are scaremongering.

lainey_d_123 · 19-03-2020 02:40PM

froog wrote: »

also when googling that guy, he is massive critic of the global response to H1N1 (and which most people actually do agree the world went completely overboard on a disease less harmful than the regular flu). so you can see why he's skeptical of this one.

but he's being willfully ignorant of certain facts, and perhaps supported by his own country's figures which do not match up at all with the rest of the world.

Maybe the Japanese are just more hygienic and respectful of rules? Much harder for a virus to spread in a culture where everyone always maintains distance, no hand shaking, no kissing on cheeks, mask wearing as standard when sick, and people respecting official guidelines.

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 02:40PM

chicorytip wrote: »

These so called "social distancing" measures in supermarkets will have no effect whatsoever in preventing the spread of infection. You can't expect people to stay completely locked up for the next three months. It is abnormal and could lead to huge rises in cases of domestic violence and admissions to psychiatric units.

Have you applied to the HSE yet? You really should - hse.ie/oncall!

RugbyLad11 · 19-03-2020 02:41PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

I think this is the wrong attitude. Everyone should be assuming they're a carrier, symptoms or not. If you knew you had the virus would you distance yourself from the rest of your family? a: Yes.

You must also look after you mental health. You cannot stay locked inside for 3+ months, people need to go outside for fresh air and small things

Hamsterchops · 19-03-2020 02:41PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

To quote an expert, this isn't a blizzard it's the start of a cold winter.
It's not going to blow over quickly, I'm hoping we have an advantage here on the island if we get very serious very quickly.

Actually in this instance we are not an island in relation to flights & ferries between Britain & Ireland being able to carry on regardless, so the virus can continue to transmit between the two islands.

tobefrank321 · 19-03-2020 02:41PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Reporting deaths differently?

Evidence? Proof? Source?

Sawduck · 19-03-2020 02:41PM

Just saw a guy on ground near my house here in thurles, not sure if he fainted or had a fit but it has frightened the life out of me, he's seems OK now but looks shaken, hope it's nothing to serious

Mwengwe · 19-03-2020 02:42PM

froog wrote: »

he seems like a smart guy. but how do you explain the massive sudden requirement for ICU and ventilation equipment? if this was nothing out of the ordinary this would not be the case. health systems would not be overloaded like we saw in wuhan, like we are seeing in Italy and Spain. it just doesn't make sense.

maybe someone can explain his argument better to me though, i'm not sure I fully grasp his logic.

He's talking bollocks

iamwhoiam · 19-03-2020 02:42PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

I think this is the wrong attitude. Everyone should be assuming they're a carrier, symptoms or not. If you knew you had the virus would you distance yourself from the rest of your family? a: Yes.

There is no way that people can distance themselves from children . Families with young children will have to care for them . And take them out for fresh air when they can . Its not possible to distance yourself if you have kids or indeed anyone depending on you

tobefrank321 · 19-03-2020 02:43PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

77 cases reported in NI, which would be an increase of 9 since yesterday.

That's not bad and far less than the 30% increase we are hoping to avoid down here. Depends how prevalent testing is up there though.

Strazdas · 19-03-2020 02:43PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

I think this is the wrong attitude. Everyone should be assuming they're a carrier, symptoms or not. If you knew you had the virus would you distance yourself from the rest of your family? a: Yes.

Social distancing within the normal family home would be a near impossibility (i.e. people sharing bedrooms etc), not unless one family member had tested positive for the virus.

Achasanai · 19-03-2020 02:44PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There is no way that people can distance themselves from children . Families with young children will have to care for them . And take them out for fresh air when they can . Its not possible to distance yourself if you have kids or indeed anyone depending on you

Not just people with kids. If you live in a 1 bed apartment with somebody, it's impossible to self-isolate (most 1 beds only have the one bathroom).

facehugger99 · 19-03-2020 02:45PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

I think this is the wrong attitude. Everyone should be assuming they're a carrier, symptoms or not. If you knew you had the virus would you distance yourself from the rest of your family? a: Yes.

If someone in my family catches it, we all can catch it as far as I'm concerned.

I certainly won't be 'socially distancing' myself from my wife and kids - what weird ideas some people have.

dublin99 · 19-03-2020 02:45PM

Has anyone taking ARDs for high blood pressure been advised to stop or switch to another anti-hypertensive medication?

There was a paper in Lancet on this subject but this paper from Australia explains the possible issues quite well:

"Leading experts warn that ARBs may amplify COVID-19 severity in patients"

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/ace-inhibitors-arbs-and-covid-19-what-gps-need-to

I know a Dublin cardiologist has stopped taking his meds (under this category) and advised some patients to do so as well. Obviously one would need to consult his GP and weigh up the relative risks of switching/stopping meds.

tobefrank321 · 19-03-2020 02:47PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

If someone in my family catches it, we all can catch it as far as I'm concerned.

I certainly won't be 'socially distancing' myself from my wife and kids - what weird ideas some people have.

Well then you will all have to socially isolate including not going out for a couple of weeks. Unless you want to spread it to the community including elderly people?

Blaze420 · 19-03-2020 02:47PM

GAA pundit Joe Brolly has launched an extraordinary attack on Taoiseach Leo Varadkar over his state of the nation address on the impact of the deadly coronavirus.

Mr Brolly branded the Taoiseach’s televised address on the national emergency as "particularly nauseating" and a "shameless PR exercise".

Speaking on the Off The Ball podcast, the former Derry player said Mr Varadkar’s speech was an "insult of people’s intelligence".

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/joe-brolly-says-leo-varadkars-speech-was-insult-to-peoples-intelligence-39057789.html

Sorry Joe but you have to be intelligent for someone to insult your intelligence. Hands up anyone who cares what some gob****e GAA commentator has to say about topics outside GAA because I sure ****ing don't!

weldoninhio · 19-03-2020 02:48PM

plodder wrote: »

They certainly like to think so, in my experience.

Some differences between Germany and Italy might be:-
- wider geographic spread of cases in Germany?
- less aged population
- cultural differences in social interaction with other people
- and obviously the fact that Italy was hit first

Though if Germany is very different from Netherlands or Denmark say, then maybe there is something else going on with the figures.

Coronavirus, for you ze pandemic is over.

Mwengwe · 19-03-2020 02:48PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There is no way that people can distance themselves from children . Families with young children will have to care for them . And take them out for fresh air when they can . Its not possible to distance yourself if you have kids or indeed anyone depending on you

Depends on what age they are - in some cases it's very possible. But it's more the overall attitude of 'as long as one family doesn't mix with another' that i take issue with.

80% of transmissions in China where in the home.

Charles Babbage · 19-03-2020 02:49PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

If someone in my family catches it, we all can catch it as far as I'm concerned.

I certainly won't be 'socially distancing' myself from my wife and kids - what weird ideas some people have.

If you are a source of illness then you must behave responsibly.

tobefrank321 · 19-03-2020 02:49PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Social distancing within the normal family home would be a near impossibility (i.e. people sharing bedrooms etc), not unless one family member had tested positive for the virus.

Work with friends and neighbours to bring in supplies for the two weeks isolation required.

Its 2 weeks out of your life...2 weeks that's all. It could save countless lives.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP