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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    madcabbage wrote: »
    Maybe Germany is just doing a very good job so far. Sure look at our stats, 2 dead and and 366 cases, we'll be doing very well if that death count stays in single digits.

    Yep... I think it is plausible that they're just doing a better job with this than other nations right now!

    Rather than throwing around unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, about them fiddling the numbers... perhaps we should try to find out how they're tackling this, and get cracking doing whatever they're doing! (and quick) :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    bilston wrote: »
    Premier League in England suspension extended until 30th April.

    I know a lot of people will say they don't care and there are more important things, and this is true, but I actually find sport (pretty much any sport) quite soothing in testing times and we don't even have that on this occasion.

    I'd love to think the Olympics might happen at the end of July, but no matter what the IOC say I find it hard to believe they will happen. But it is too early to make a call.
    Is t it the case that a huge amount of athletes won’t be able to train ahead of the Olympics??would be amazed if it proceeds(for a variety of reasons)


  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    silverharp wrote: »
    looks like this drug will be part of the mix

    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1240620268730470400
    is_that_so wrote: »

    Have to be very very careful with rushing to produce and administer these kind of drugs. Not too hard to imagine a kickback from this in a few years time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,474 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    pH wrote: »
    Around West Dublin this morning, people out in force in the nice weather, chemists have locked doors, and a few shops seems closed, but many people out in force, walking with kids, buying coffee etc. Many elderly people too (though to be fair mainly walking alone). Busses reasonably empty but this wasn't rush hour by any means.

    I would not be surprised if this level of 'social distancing' isn't enough to halt the outbreak.

    Families walking together is not so much an issue, even four or five people : it's the need to keep away from 'other' families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,126 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Christy42 wrote: »
    New York Post and now Fox style news places have been quick to hype up cures/vaccines. I don't see it elsewhere on reliable sites so I would not get hopes up.

    Especially when they try and push a 100% style figure. Generally rings alarm bells.

    Of course, they know this could end Trump's chances of re election. When the full scale of the crisis emerges people will get very unhappy after all his "nothing to see here" guff.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Not wishing ill on them or anything but statistically some of our TDs and senators are going to test positive for the virus and some of the older age group in particular seriously ill. Food for thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Have to be very very careful with rushing to produce and administer these kind of drugs. Not too hard to imagine a kickback from this in a few years time.
    The drugs in the Australian one are already approved for other conditions, they want to see if one or the other works better on Covid-19. I know little about the UK one but looks like a similar attempted retasking of an existing drug as a treatment. All early days and lots of things will be tried.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,191 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    walshb wrote: »
    Owl Linda Lusardi the latest z lister to be struck down

    If I remember correctly she had a fine set of lungs on her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    .

    Please don't scaremonger. Vets -in Ireland! - are already reporting people are requesting perfectly healthy dogs be PTS 'in case' they get the virus, and rescues are reporting a notable increase in 'stray' dogs which they suspect have been abandoned out of fear they can get the virus.

    https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202003/04/P2020030400658.htm

    This is not scaremongering. This is a fact. A second dog, a two year old German Shepherd has tested positive. Dod owners should be aware of it!

    Professor Malik Peiris, a leading public health virologist at the University of Hong Kong:
    “It is very likely that the two positive cases [in Hong Kong] are examples of human to dog transmission”

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3075993/coronavirus-hong-kong-confirms-second-dog


  • Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not wishing ill on them or anything but statistically some of our TDs and senators are going to test positive for the virus and some of the older age group in particular seriously ill. Food for thought.

    A candid observation. They're human beings like the rest of us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    If in Italy someone has the coronavirus and they die they are assumed to have died of it. Its not necessarily number fiddling. Its just how the classify things.

    The other thing worth noting is that I believe the German number of cases a lot more than the Italian or Spanish number of cases. Again I'm not saying anyone is fiddling just Spain and Italy are a little too overwhelmed to do contact tracing or community testing while it continues on in Germany.
    How do you know they are doing this?

    Do you have any links to anything?

    I have been struggling to find much info on what exactly they're doing differently...

    No worries.

    I've not seen evidence but might be buried in this thread. It could be they are that much better than everyone but it seems very unlikely given the characteristics of this disease.

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1240097655516168193


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,714 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    froog wrote: »
    he seems like a smart guy. but how do you explain the massive sudden requirement for ICU and ventilation equipment? if this was nothing out of the ordinary this would not be the case. health systems would not be overloaded like we saw in wuhan, like we are seeing in Italy and Spain. it just doesn't make sense.

    maybe someone can explain his argument better to me though, i'm not sure I fully grasp his logic.

    Well, they (the hospitals and ICUs) are obviously making it up, there's no other logical explanation. :rolleyes:

    ... but then again, I'm not scientisty enough to understand these things. And my favourite colour is sparkly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    froog wrote: »
    he seems like a smart guy. but how do you explain the massive sudden requirement for ICU and ventilation equipment? if this was nothing out of the ordinary this would not be the case. health systems would not be overloaded like we saw in wuhan, like we are seeing in Italy and Spain. it just doesn't make sense.

    maybe someone can explain his argument better to me though, i'm not sure I fully grasp his logic.

    "Wolfgang Wodarg says:
    The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.
    Evidence-based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media, and ministries."

    And this is the problem that someone like Boris Johnson (and Trump) had in the last few weeks. These points of view are out there, from serious people with actual credentials in virology and epidemics.

    The world was a very difference place 30 days ago:
    "Did the US overreact to the outbreak" (18 Feb)
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051011/science-vs-politics-did-us-overreact-coronavirus-outbreak-china

    Angela Rasmussen, a virologist who serves on the faculty at the Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University’s school of public health.

    Rolling Stone: You’ve argued that “containment is no longer possible” with coronavirus and “it’s now time to shift to mitigation.” How should that change our strategy and tactics in dealing with this outbreak?

    Angela Rasmussen: We need to focus on trying to minimize the spread. And that means two things. First of all: making sure that our health care systems are prepared. It also means educating the public about what coronavirus in their community means, how to protect themselves, how to minimize their exposure risks — and also not to panic and overwhelm their health care systems, which is my biggest concern.


    Rolling Stone (March 2nd)
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/containment-failed-coronavirus-spreading-america-960309/

    I could go on and keep linking these articles and quoting experts, but I won't. And this is why we need to give people like Boris Johnson and (dare I say it) even Trump some slack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    whats really baffling in germany is the active cases stats - 13,481 in mild condition, just 2 in severe/critical.

    something really isn't adding up there.

    did they get a much less severe strain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    Is t it the case that a huge amount of athletes won’t be able to train ahead of the Olympics??would be amazed if it proceeds(for a variety of reasons)

    A big fat lad winning the 100m.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    pH wrote: »
    Around West Dublin this morning, people out in force in the nice weather, chemists have locked doors, and a few shops seems closed, but many people out in force, walking with kids, buying coffee etc. Many elderly people too (though to be fair mainly walking alone). Busses reasonably empty but this wasn't rush hour by any means.

    I would not be surprised if this level of 'social distancing' isn't enough to halt the outbreak.
    It is obvious that many people in Ireland do no understand the concept of social distancing, and it is evident all over the country.
    An "official" enforced lock-down is the only alternative since a large number of people are not listening to best practices ............. or they just don't care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    A big fat lad winning the 100m.

    Japanese PM?seems like he’s the only one wiling and able at this stage...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    New Home wrote: »
    Well, they're obviously making it up, there's no other logical explanation. :rolleyes:

    ... but then again, I'm not scientisty enough to understand these things. And my favourite colour is sparkly.

    also when googling that guy, he is massive critic of the global response to H1N1 (and which most people actually do agree the world went completely overboard on a disease less harmful than the regular flu). so you can see why he's skeptical of this one.

    but he's being willfully ignorant of certain facts, and perhaps supported by his own country's figures which do not match up at all with the rest of the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,221 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Christy42 wrote: »
    New York Post and now Fox style news places have been quick to hype up cures/vaccines. I don't see it elsewhere on reliable sites so I would not get hopes up.

    Especially when they try and push a 100% style figure. Generally rings alarm bells.

    I'm living in US and find the media around this bizarre. For a lot of the national cable stations such as Fox and CNN, if you read their reports, it would not sound much different to at home, but when you actually watch the piece it sounds the exact same as so many other fear based items which they often broadcast frequently with words like 'might' 'it could' 'it's possible' but in the same tone and manner in which they then go on to talk about Tom Brady leaving the New England Patriots.

    I suspect that until the last day or 2 many Americans were subconsciously thinking' it's just another hoax like the 100's they hear every year.

    Comparing it to back home, the media in Ireland is way more focused, serious and instructive than here. Way, way more.

    Also, house mate returned from Caribbean last night having cut short his holiday. In St Lucia, (effectively a 3rd world country) they would not give him his passport when he arrived there until he completed the documentation saying where he would be staying for the next month in case they needed to contact trace him.

    When he landed at Logan in Boston, he was asked zero questions and wasn't even scanned for fever.

    Prominent social commentators have been encouraging people to socialise throughout this and some televangelists have encouraged congregants in their churches to shake hands and embrace because God will not let you get ill in his house.

    It is changing, but given their paltry level of testing, I fear the horse may have bolted already here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Space Dog


    froog wrote: »
    whats really baffling in germany is the active cases stats - 13,481 in mild condition, just 2 in severe/critical.

    something really isn't adding up there.

    did they get a much less severe strain?

    Maybe they just have the resources and means to not let it progress to critical for a lot of patients?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Yep... I think it is plausible that they're just doing a better job with this than other nations right now!

    Rather than throwing around unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, about them fiddling the numbers... perhaps we should try to find out how they're tackling this, and get cracking doing whatever they're doing! (and quick) :)

    Postmortem testing differs. Italy does it. Germany doesn't. Not magic.

    https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/coronavirus-in-europa-letalitaet-in-deutschland-30-mal-niedriger-als-in-italien-wie-ist-das-moeglich/25626678.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    A big fat lad winning the 100m.

    Maybe Trevor's year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,475 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    froog wrote: »
    whats really baffling in germany is the active cases stats - 13,481 in mild condition, just 2 in severe/critical.

    something really isn't adding up there.

    did they get a much less severe strain?

    It's the powerhouse of Europe, their either fudging the numbers to keep the economy on track or they genuinely have a great health system and the people are doing what there told, they are very strict as a people so I'd be inclined to go with the latter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    froog wrote: »
    whats really baffling in germany is the active cases stats - 13,481 in mild condition, just 2 in severe/critical.

    something really isn't adding up there.

    did they get a much less severe strain?

    think people said on here its because they are attributing the deaths to the underlying conditions and not the virus itself....and that there have been deaths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    New Home wrote: »
    Well, they're obviously making it up, there's no other logical explanation. :rolleyes:

    ... but then again, I'm not scientisty enough to understand these things. And my favourite colour is sparkly.

    ;):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    I've translated this from a post written by an Emergency Medical Dispatcher (118) in Lombardy.

    His credentials check out.
    Do you know what happening in the area around Lodi where all this began?
    People who call the emergency services are asking for help.

    But do you know what they ask?
    They simply ask for help.
    They expect nothing.
    And, incredibly, they’re not shouting, insulting or threatening.
    They’re kind. They apologise for bothering us and patiently and quietly wait hours before someone can listen to them and hopefully help them, even if just over the phone.

    Those of you not living here will not understand why they’re so remissive and resigned.
    I do.
    And I’ll try to explain.

    I get a call from Lucia.
    She lives in a house on two levels.
    She’s 55 and lives on the first floor, is in quarantine with her two sons.
    I ask if she needs anything.
    She tells me her mother lives on the floor above.
    I ask if they’ve had contact with anyone tested positive for coronavirus.

    She begins.
    Gianni, her 57-year old husband is in intensive care on a ventilator.
    Stefano, her 49-year old brother died the other day while in intensive care.
    He’s not in the same ICU as her husband as there were no more places.

    Her husband was taken away a week ago by ambulance with a fever and breathing difficulties.
    Lucia hasn’t seen or heard from him since then.
    Every day she waits for a phone call from the ward to find out if her husband is still alive or whether he’s making a recovery.

    Her voice trembles as she tells me and I don’t have the courage to interrupt her.
    I don’t want to interrupt her while she’s speaking to me even though I have 20 call waiting after her.
    It’s been like this for days and will continue like this for a lot more I’m sure.
    She finally takes a break and I can continue to understand how I can help her.
    She tells me she’s calling about her mother.
    Lucia’s mother lives on the ground floor.
    She’s 88.
    She’s had a fever for several days, she’s weak and has a wheezy cough.
    Her GP is following her.
    Lucia and her mum are lucky.
    Their GP is not sick or in quarantine.
    The doctor got her an x-ray and got oxygen delivered because she has trouble breathing.
    She tells me the doctor has just made a house call and recommends she be admitted to hospital because he doesn’t know how to manager her situation.
    She adds that the doctor wanted to speak to us (999) but after being on hold for an hour he had to move on to other patients.
    I apologise for the wait and try to explain that we are literally swamped with emergency calls and at breaking point.
    She interrupts me to say:
    “No need to apologise, you’re doing too much already.”

    She consoles me.
    For **** sake!


    I suggest an ambulance to take her mum to hospital.
    I do tell her though that it will take time and I’m not sure they’ll be able to take her to Lodi hospital where her husband is.

    She stops me
    Her voice is calm yet decisive.
    I have the feeling I should prepare for an argument. I’m tired and selfishly I don’t feel like talking to anyone anymore. I’m sick of hearing the same stories, the same suffering and the same pain.
    I then think about the fact that in an hour my shift will be over and again, selfishly I see myself in bed asleep.

    However, Lucia gives me a life lesson that here, two days later, is still imprinted in my mind and heart.
    Lucia tells me she doesn’t want her mother taken to hospital.
    She explains that she’s already lost a brother without being able to say goodbye or go to his funeral and she hasn’t seen her husband for 10 days.
    She doesn’t want her mother to die in hospital.
    And adds, “I know perfectly well that you are barely able to care for young patients and I know well that if I send my mother to hospital she’ll be left to die because you don’t have time to treat her.”

    She says this without bitterness but with such awareness that it chills me to the bone.
    I remain silent because I know she’s absolutely right, but I can’t actually tell her this is the case.
    She understand my silence and continues:
    “I just need someone to tell me I’m doing the right thing and that I can let her die with dignity at home and without suffering.”

    I’ll finish now.
    I’ll not add anything.
    Just to say that Lucia’s mother passed away in her home an hour later.

    Maybe one day I’ll go to Lucia’s house and hug her and tell her she did the right thing.
    Because if I was a father I’d want a daughter like her.

    Lucia is just one of many.
    You have no idea the tsunami of sickness, suffering and pain this pandemic is creating.
    And don’t for a minute think this can only happen to others and not you.

    Therefore, I beg you to stay at home. We are on the verge of collapse.
    We no longer have hospital beds even for the young.
    Us health workers are getting sick and the epidemic is widening.

    Lodi and Codgono are small towns.
    Today, you’ve seen photos of the trucks taking away coffins in Bergamo.
    Do you know how many people live in Milan?
    Their hospitals are already full of patients.
    But none of these patients are from Milan.
    Guess where they’re from!

    Do the maths.
    Even though you’re not mathematicians.

    If this pandemic seriously spreads to Milan, Bergamo will seem like a walk in the park.
    I regret not being in China where everything can be closed.
    Because this is what is needed.

    So, I beg you.
    Those of you who are healthy, take a step back.
    You could be carrying Covid-19 and unknowingly be infecting everything and everyone by leaving the house.

    We’re not asking much.
    Just stay at home.
    Please.

    We are not ****ing giving up but give us a hand and play your part.

    Paolo Baldini (118 Operator)
    SOREU pianura Lombardi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Judging by the last few pages I get the impression that this whole virus thing might blow over before the summer......
    Between existing drugs (used for other conditions) + an overestimate as to how many might die, I think this whole business "might have been" blown out of all proportion ?

    The UK & Ireland are not Italy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    pH wrote: »
    Around West Dublin this morning, people out in force in the nice weather, chemists have locked doors, and a few shops seems closed, but many people out in force, walking with kids, buying coffee etc. Many elderly people too (though to be fair mainly walking alone). Busses reasonably empty but this wasn't rush hour by any means.

    I would not be surprised if this level of 'social distancing' isn't enough to halt the outbreak.
    These so called "social distancing" measures in supermarkets will have no effect whatsoever in preventing the spread of infection. You can't expect people to stay completely locked up for the next three months. It is abnormal and could lead to huge rises in cases of domestic violence and admissions to psychiatric units.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,384 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Have to be very very careful with rushing to produce and administer these kind of drugs. Not too hard to imagine a kickback from this in a few years time.

    I think the UK drug is already used for other respiratory illnesses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,753 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Is there a bit of a head cold going around too?

    I am sneezing, blowing the nose and am tired. I have noticed my coworkers have similar symptoms. Nobody is coughing though

    Started for me too yesterday, expected to be worse today but very very mild. Still doesn't stop me being paranoid


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