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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1772
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Boggles wrote: »
    Covering up what exactly?

    Covering up the severity of how it hit them.....

    Dr Aylward said something on the lines of “I can’t call into every house in China but from what is saw they are doing a great job”. Suppose if we all agree China was lieing from the start, maybe they equally lied about its effects elsewhere?!

    To get really tinfoil hat, if it started kicking off elsewhere in China now they could blame foreigners for bringing it back in after they had eradicated it.... Is say they truth maybe somewhere in between but to be fair China have form at lieing on this so it would be unwise to completely rule out anything , but of course important not to presume one way or another without evidence.


  • #1773
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Boggles wrote: »
    Jesus H Christ. America have not been testing largely because your hero claimed it was no worse than the flu.

    Is there something wrong with you?

    Is there something wrong with you?
    I'm quoting current cases.


  • #1774
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Spain: +2,378 cases/+129 deaths so far today.

    Spain: 767 deaths total +169 in 24 hours

    https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-03-19/ultimas-noticias-del-coronavirus-y-el-estado-de-alarma-en-directo.html


  • #1775
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Covering up the severity of how it hit them.....

    Dr Aylward said something on the lines of “I can’t call into every house in China but from what is saw they are doing a great job”. Suppose if we all agree China was lieing from the start, maybe they equally lied about its effects elsewhere?!

    To get really tinfoil hat, if it started kicking off elsewhere in China now they could blame foreigners for bringing it back in after they had eradicated it.... Is say they truth maybe somewhere in between but to be fair China have form at lieing on this so it would be unwise to completely rule out anything , but of course important not to presume one way or another without evidence.

    Apple today reopened all Chinese stores and to me that makes me believe their stats are true.


  • #1776
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    am i the only one who finds the Chinese stats quite frankly, unbelievable?

    https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/china


    yet more covering up?

    Germany's stats are a pile of bollix too.

    They claim that their total number of deaths due to COVID-19 is 31 but France's total number of deaths is 8.5 times higher even though France has 4000 less confirmed cases.

    Another stat that sticks out is that Germany are claiming to only have 2 people in serious, critical condition.

    Source. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


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  • #1777
    dummy_crusher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭dummy_crusher


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
    The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

    Go away


    The UK has performed more tests than the US and they have a population of ~66 million...

    Source

    NOTE: All data is NOT fully up to date, e.g. Ireland test are 1,784 based on data @10/03/2020.

    However, both the UK and US data is from 16/03/2020.

    EDIT: Link to actual chart.


  • #1778
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    am i the only one who finds the Chinese stats quite frankly, unbelievable?

    https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/china


    yet more covering up?

    I'm pretty sure they have closed all the temp hospitals in Wuhan, so they are doing something right.


  • #1779
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Although Sky News is reporting +209 for Spain


    "The death toll in Spain has risen to 767 - up 209 from yesterday."

    11:20 newsflash here:
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-china-records-no-new-cases-in-hubei-province-11960005


  • #1780
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    klose wrote: »
    You would hope it's the truth, I think most people will be a bit cynical about it given how, well, it's the chinese.

    The Brits are not testing those who are sick at home with suspicious symptoms.

    The Yanks are not testing enough people to have any idea about their true figures.

    The World Health China expert group stated that the Chinese figures are real.

    But for you the Chinese figures deserve cynicism ??


  • #1781
    Cuckoo7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Nephew, his wife, and child live in Spain.
    His wife has a permit to go out for groceries, meds, and to walk the dog - he was apparently refused as he has a heart condition (that's his story anyway). He is at home wondering how he will pay his rent and the lease on his business.
    Well that’s not exactly like that. You don’t need a permit to go for groceries or to a pharmacy, but you do have to go alone.
    There were two exceptions, if you were accompanying an elderly person or someone with special needs. Later they have added minors, meaning you can take your children to the supermarket.

    In this article they say that not even to go to work is obligatory to show a permit, although is appreciated by the authorities if you do have one.

    https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2020-03-17/coronavirus-permiso-estado-alarma_2503099/


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  • #1782
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    I'd have as much faith in China's figures as the US or UK, the latter two are certainly not testing enough. South Korea's figures and Italian figures are good enough examples and South Korea is the template to aim for.


  • #1783
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
    The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

    Go away

    As of two days ago the USA had only performed 25,000 tests.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-testing-data.html?auth=linked-google

    So I'm afraid that makes your point entirely moot. Have you got anything else?


  • #1784
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Mortgages are to be frozen. Most people still working. If not then they get 200 euro a week. Buy groceries and wait it out like suggested.

    What else do you need the money for? Planning on a new car or a holiday? How about a shopping spree?
    I think they've been quite clever with all of the economic stuff, no real surprise from the crafty wonks in the DoF who came up with a cheeky promissory note that put ECB noses out of joint! They've spread the load over a wide range of stakeholders and pushed out required payments of all sorts of little things to a later date. Banks deserve a lot of criticism over present and past activities but they too are stepping up.


  • #1785
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Germany's stats are a pile of bollix too.

    They claim that their total number of deaths due to COVID-19 is 31 but France's total number of deaths is 8.5 times higher even though France has 4000 less confirmed cases.

    Another stat that sticks out is that Germany are claiming to only have 2 people in serious, critical condition.

    Source. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    yup - the German stats are quite frankly unbelievable too

    https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/germany


  • #1786
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    gabeeg wrote: »
    As of two days ago the USA had only performed 25,000 tests.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-testing-data.html?auth=linked-google

    So I'm afraid that makes your point entirely moot. Have you got anything else?

    I didn't mention number of tests. I'm quoting current cases in the US and EU. My point stands. My point is factual. My point is current.

    Guessing games from others mean nothing


  • #1787
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I didn't mention number of tests. I'm quoting current cases in the US and EU. My point stands. My point is factual.

    Yes, there are more known cases in the EU than in the US

    But given that the US hasn't done as many tests as the EU have cases, it makes your point entirely redundant.


  • #1788
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    walshb wrote: »
    To keep on the 25-30 percent prediction rate we are looking at 90 plus today..
    these are roughly the figures the government used to get to the projection of 15,000 cases
    T17: 292
    W18: 389
    T19: 589
    F20: 682
    S21: 923
    S22: 1,230
    M23: 1,640
    T24: 2,187
    W25: 2,916
    T26: 3,889
    F27: 5,185
    S28: 6,913
    S29: 9,218
    M30: 12,290
    T31: 16,387
    so to get back on track to hit 15000 we would need 223 new cases today.


  • #1789
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sure, but think about it, each one of those trucks could transport what, 8 or 10 coffins. There's no way twenty trucks are being used as makeshift hearses. I think journalists who can be a tad eager to hype things up should dial that stuff back. But they won't. It sells.

    Do the maths taking your example. Yesterday 475 people died. If each truck takes 10 coffins as you say? I'd say it's more like 6 or 7 if laid out flat.but even using your estimate of ten. Thats the whole of Italy. So not just that town but Bergamo is an epicentre so a video with 10 trucks transporting coffins is not fake news IMHO.

    475 / 10 = 47.5 trucks.


    I don't think it is an exaggeration at all. People are finding it hard to grasp the scale of this problem. Glad the government is procuring equipment on a grand scale to deal with this. Turning a stadium into a testing centre. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.


  • #1790
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    farmchoice wrote: »
    these are roughly the figures the government used to get to the projection of 15,000 cases
    T17: 292
    W18: 389
    T19: 589
    F20: 682
    S21: 923
    S22: 1,230
    M23: 1,640
    T24: 2,187
    W25: 2,916
    T26: 3,889
    F27: 5,185
    S28: 6,913
    S29: 9,218
    M30: 12,290
    T31: 16,387
    so to get back on track to hit 15000 we would need 223 new cases today.

    The problem is that we could easily have 223 new cases today but might not know it because of the lag in getting test results back/lack of testing.


  • #1791
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 176 countries and territories around the world today.

    The UN recognizes 195 countries.

    https://virusncov.com/


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  • #1792
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
    The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

    Go away

    All states of the EU are proactively testing as much as possible. Ireland is about to receive 30,000 additional testing kits. The US in it's entirety has done approximately 25,000 tests.

    Might I suggest a small amount of research before you trot in here trying to look smug and telling people to go away.

    Trump has done sweet sod all. Two weeks ago he said it was a hoax and not that bad, last night he claimed he always knew how bad it would be. Even Republican Governors are upset with him due to the lack of funds he's providing.

    His answer to this crisis has been to send money to people, yknow, instead of actually testing people.


  • #1793
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
    The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

    Go away

    Huh?

    It doesn't really matter how many cases you have per head of population, it's the trajectory. If you only have 2 cases, but leave it as a free-for-all, you could expect a 100,000 within several weeks. If you have 100,000 cases, but complete lockdown, you could expect a couple of dozen cases within several weeks.

    Trump has allowed it to get a foothold, and his response thereafter has been all over the place.


  • #1794
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Yes, there are more known cases in the EU than in the US

    But given that the US hasn't done as many tests as the EU have cases, it makes your point entirely redundant.

    Ok whatever suits the orange man bad narrative. If he throws on a hazmat suit and does the testing himself will it count more.


  • #1795
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Do you have a link for that figure of 68K? I seem to see a different figure for flu deaths varying by tens of thousands by different posters for UK/USA/Ireland/EUrope /the world


    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285


  • #1796
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I'm watching the UK medical briefing and there is someone (female) who has a rather prominent cough.


  • #1797
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Great to see multiple groups of people running around.

    6-7 people in a group, sweating, spitting, coughing and spluttering.

    Best of luck c.unts.


  • #1798
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    The Brits are not testing those who are sick at home with suspicious symptoms.

    The Yanks are not testing enough people to have any idea about their true figures.

    The World Health China expert group stated that the Chinese figures are real.

    But for you the Chinese figures deserve cynicism ??

    I find the British stats unbelievable too..
    especially with this going on in the London Tube only this morning ( have a look at the pictures):
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8128743/Dozens-London-Underground-stations-close-pandemic.html


  • #1799
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    The problem is that we could easily have 223 new cases today but might not know it because of the lag in getting test results back/lack of testing.
    we would need to 223 cases reported today the lag is built into the figures.


  • #1800
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Apple today reopened all Chinese stores and to me that makes me believe their stats are true.

    To be fair if the government of any country says it’s ok to stay open or reopen, most companies will open up. I would put that down as evidence that suggests companies believe the Chinese authorities more then it being proof.

    Do apple have their own research staff all around China confirming what they are being told?

    I’m not saying the Chinese are lieing BTW, I’m saying we should be cautious with their stats and information. They are still run by the same dictator who tried to suppress the virus at the start. They didn’t come clean because they wanted to, they just had to.


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  • #1801
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I didn't mention number of tests. I'm quoting current cases in the US and EU. My point stands. My point is factual. My point is current.

    Guessing games from others mean nothing

    I dont know anyone that got tested. Therefore I'm going to say that absolutely no one I know has it. I'm quoting current cases. My point stands. My point is factual. My point is current. My point is bigly shíte like yours.



    At least blueshoe is bring in the comedy at times like this.


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