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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1622
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    No bank payments whatsoever for 3 months if you've lost your job or closed a business due to coronavirus
    At 3 months its reviewed to see if that's still needed
    It may well be

    If this lasts for a long time, they might have to look into something like this. Without it, we're condemning a huge number of folk to a hardship they'll have extreme difficulty recovering from.

    There's a real prospect of people's savings being wiped out with this. No job, no savings, no home, no future...

    Helicopter money alone won't help.


  • #1623
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    Any photoshop folk with some spare time able to change his beverage of choice to Corona?


  • #1624
    Real Life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Real Life


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Ive learnt in past few days that lockdown aint going to work here unless enforced the actual amount of people out walking, cutting grass, talking to neighbours more or less the normal day except pubs bookies and certain places are shut the socialising is more or less still going on, some people just dont understand how its spreading or dont care either.

    Cutting your grass and going for a walk as long as theres not a lot of people around shouldnt be much of a problem surely? Maybe avoid talking to your neighbours or being close to them while talking anyway


  • #1625
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I think that might relate to a story about a home for the elderly which was ravaged by the virus.

    No, not only that. Bergamo had 553 deaths because of this.
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    They were probably over 50 and smoked so you like fvck it. Let's not overreact to a few corpses. Could cause a depression and don't give people money via a truck or helicopter to relieve the burden. Cheers

    FFS people find it hard to see 2 weeks into the future. This will happen here if we are not careful.

    I sincerely hope that bit in bold was sarcastic...


  • #1626
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Another thing is people thinking we will get it once and its over, no1 actually knows, but 1 thing is viruses most certainly near always comes in more than 1 wave.


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  • #1627
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    We most certainly can shut down the economy. We'll get through it, so deal with the temporary inconvenience.
    Enjoy a 3rd world economy for the next 5 years.


  • #1628
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    That’s false.
    Not even going to say why?


  • #1629
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    davedanon wrote: »
    That's all perfectly fine with proper social distancing.

    U need a permit to leave the house in italy spain germany and france


  • #1630
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Ive learnt in past few days that lockdown aint going to work here unless enforced the actual amount of people out walking, cutting grass, talking to neighbours more or less the normal day except pubs bookies and certain places are shut the socialising is more or less still going on, some people just dont understand how its spreading or dont care either.

    What the feck are you on about? I'm going to spend the spring and summer in my gardens and I may even go for a walk and just every so often talk to another human at a socially responsible distance.

    Some people need to get a grip on their dystopian mindset.


  • #1631
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If this lasts for a long time, they might have to look into something like this. Without it, we're condemning a huge number of folk to a hardship they'll have extreme difficulty recovering from.

    There's a real prospect of people's savings being wiped out with this. No job, no savings, no home, no future...

    Helicopter money alone won't help.

    How will savings be wiped out?


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  • #1632
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    You can isolate the old and vulnerable, not shut down the entire economy and cause a 1929 level depression.
    Most people in their 50s will survive it, there will be the odd case of someone who is a heavy smoker or is already sick in some way dying.

    You are so brave, willing to let the old or people who are already sick die.

    Thank you for your sacrifice. :mad::mad::mad:


  • #1633
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Ive learnt in past few days that lockdown aint going to work here unless enforced the actual amount of people out walking, cutting grass, talking to neighbours more or less the normal day except pubs bookies and certain places are shut the socialising is more or less still going on, some people just dont understand how its spreading or dont care either.
    They will get the Darwin award. After all is over we will end up only with people over 100 IQ.


  • #1634
    Cuckoo7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not even going to say why?

    Do I need to? You only have to read or listen to dozens and dozens of reports of how many under 70s are in hospitals with this virus.


  • #1635
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    How will savings be wiped out?

    If people have no income, what will they use to pay mortgages, rents and bills with? Plus buy food and whatnot.

    This isn't difficult to understand.


  • #1636
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Curlysue76 wrote: »
    Is there a particular number of deaths that will make it worthwhile? Anything over 100, 1000? If ‘only’ a certain amount die will it not have been worthwhile.

    Generally it will be worth if the person knew concretely that one of their loved ones would get it and die. If those people could see into the future then I'm guessing they would think it's worth it.

    Alternatively let them have some skin in the game. Get them to sign waivers to hospital treatment for themselves and family if they become infected. That really would be a cull and probably improve the gene pool. Alas we live in a democracy where everyone has "a right" and a wrong. Some mores than others.


  • #1637
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    You are so brave, willing to let the old or people who are already sick die.

    Thank you for your sacrifice. :mad::mad::mad:
    >reading with understanding


  • #1638
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    What exactly would you propose by way of an alternative strategy?


  • #1639
    D9Male
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭D9Male


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Ive learnt in past few days that lockdown aint going to work here unless enforced the actual amount of people out walking, cutting grass, talking to neighbours more or less the normal day except pubs bookies and certain places are shut the socialising is more or less still going on, some people just dont understand how its spreading or dont care either.

    I don't disagree with the gist of your post, but what on earth is the problem with cutting the grass?


  • #1640
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    You are so brave, willing to let the old or people who are already sick die.

    Thank you for your sacrifice. :mad::mad::mad:

    He clearly said isolate the old ( to help them)
    The young can still go about there business and keep the country afloat,
    Much like the young went to war two generation ago to keep the world we knew ,


  • #1641
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    EmptyTree wrote: »
    I'm sure most people would be happy to pay the price of a years subscription to Sky Sports for a cure now.

    That's because we pay a high price for scarcity... Ronaldo and Messi have skills that are rare in their particular field.

    Probably even more rare than scientific talent. (although depends on the field of study)

    But this woman does raise a very salient point, about what we choose to put value on in our society!

    Perhaps this pandemic might highlight these discrepancies and change how we operate as a society?

    But then how do you pay every scientist/doctor/nurse/firefighter etc the money they really deserve? (and all of them certainly deserve much more for what they do!)

    It is true that some kid running around kicking a ball (which they would probably do for fun/hobby anyway), should not be paid such obscene amounts of money! It is bonkers tbh!


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  • #1642
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    They will get the Darwin award. After all is over we will end up only with people over 100 IQ.

    I swear its darwinism at its finest.


  • #1643
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    First death in Northern Ireland - RTE.


  • #1644
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    Do I need to? You only have to read or listen to dozens and dozens of reports of how many under 70s are in hospitals with this virus.
    And yet you managed to when I "coaxed" you. We can all learn from the why but we learn more about posters without it!


  • #1645
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    First death announced in NI. Elderly patient in Belfast.


  • #1646
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    bottlebrush wrote: »

    the cavalier attitude of people flying in the face of the people in the health service who are giving their all in this crises.

    I know I sound like an auld curmudgeon but this crisis is really highlighting how many stupid or selfish people live among us.

    Its one of the more depressing aspects of this crisis. The amount of people in Ireland who really don't give a damn about anyone else anymore. The last 30 years of some people milking the system and scamming other people at every opportunity, without any reprisal has produced this attitude. Parts of the system from top to bottom are rife with corruption and selfishness.


  • #1647
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If people have no income, what will they use to pay mortgages, rents and bills with? Plus buy food and whatnot.

    This isn't difficult to understand.

    Mortgages are to be frozen. Most people still working. If not then they get 200 euro a week. Buy groceries and wait it out like suggested.

    What else do you need the money for? Planning on a new car or a holiday? How about a shopping spree?


  • #1648
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Genuinely curious about this...

    Giving what we know and with the information we have, with a BALANCED VIEW, when do others see places like Cafes, Bars, Clubs, Barbers etc opening back up?


  • #1649
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Perfect time for smokers to quit smoking and those starting out. Getting old you cannot avoid but this you can.


  • #1650
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    D9Male wrote: »
    I don't disagree with the gist of your post, but what on earth is the problem with cutting the grass?

    Cause ders literally 2 houses across from me cutting der grass and stopping and chatting people walking past stopping and chatting like seriously can they just not comprehend it?


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  • #1651
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Enjoy a 3rd world economy for the next 5 years.

    The economic scaremongering by completely unqualified amateur "economists" is ten times worse than any of the alleged scaremongering about the extent of the virus.

    There is no reason whatsoever to expect that Ireland would be a third world economy for the next five years.


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