CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Rob A. Bank · 19-03-2020 12:21PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Developing situation. Governments and health agencies are changing opinion on a daily basis. That two week old tweet is irrelevant.
I have family in New York. All working from home, bars and restaurants closed. No different to Ireland. Look at how much has changed herein two weeks

Low blow post

Trump is an incompetent infantile orange f*ckwit who has totally mismanaged the american response to the pandemic.

They had less than 100 cases on March 3 while he was still downplaying the virus and ignoring reality.

They now have 9,464 cases and the curve is skyrocketing exponentially.

He deserves all the abuse which will be heaped on him. and more.

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/usa

19-03-2020 12:21PM

Yesterday alone, 7,000 Vietnamese people returned here and were immediately put into two-week quarantine. Not self-quarantine.. Actual facilities.
This is the last flurry before flights are pretty much gone. The national carrier will soon end all international flights for a month.

pH · 19-03-2020 12:21PM

farmchoice wrote: »

i cannot understand where the government are getting their projection from.
at present the rate per million in Italy is 521 if it got that bad in ireland it would give us a total of approx 2500.
if we assumed that all those cases were just in the lombardy region and applied that rate to Ireland then we would hit 9400 infections, this would be a worst case scenario seen no where in the world, yet our crowd keep banging on about 15,000 by the end of the month. i cannot find any justification for that figure.

i dont have any axe to grind here perhaps im just missing something.

The best guess is that reported Italian total case figures are an order of magnitude lower than they really are. Meaning the total of actual cases in Italy has been more like 400,000 than 40,000.

The hope is that our 15,000 reported cases by end of month is far more indicative of the real number of cases, and isn't out by a factor of 10.

Cilldara_2000 · 19-03-2020 12:21PM

scamalert wrote: »

yes it will be the longer this crap drags out, take into account how many people due to closures of schools pubs restaurtans takeways in this country have to sign up on the dole. Any more shut downs means more people will need to sign up, as we didnt reach even peak of businesses that have 1000s people working in single factories.

then add the cripple that those not working need still to pay their bills, less being bought except retail in general.

theres no numbers how much it will costs for entire HSE re purposing.

if you think theres someone who will come out to say sure all this was needed and will be wiped clean with no debt attached your delirious. last week alone could seen couple hundred thousand people left uneployed, if you think state has funds to keep this going long enough - wait till ECB starts money machine to print extra billions for every country, which will drive euro value into ground, simple economics.

Value of the Euro against which currency? If the ECB was acting in isolation you might have a point but it's not. Central banks the world over are doing the same thing, particularly the two key currencies for comparing the Euro against: the dollar and sterling.

Cuckoo7 · 19-03-2020 12:22PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Yes but I'm not sure the way it was done in France is a good thing. I know people in France who (I think) haven't yet fully grasped how serious the situation is, and they basically see that self-declaration thing as a licence to go out.

I.e. as long as they print the form and thick the box saying they are going out to exercise in the neighbourhood (it is one of the options) they feel like there is no problem to go out. It has became more of an administrative measure than a public health measure to them.

Maybe that will change with the new declaration?

https://www.politico.eu/article/french-government-declares-state-of-sanitary-emergency/

careless sherpa · 19-03-2020 12:22PM

dummy_crusher wrote: »

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 6: Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on coronavirus.”

March 9. "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"

March 13: "To this point, and because we have had a very strong border policy, we have had 40 deaths related to CoronaVirus. If we had weak or open borders, that number would be many times higher!"

March 13: "Today I am declaring a national emergency. Two very big words."

March 13. "No, I don't take responsibility at all. Because we were given a set of circumstances, given rules, regulations, and specifications from a different time. It wasn't meant for this kind of an event, with the kind of numbers that we are talking about."

March 16:"I give myself a 10 out of 10" (On handling Covid19 crisis)

March 17: “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Is unbelievably retarded when all put together like that

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 12:22PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Feels like this voucher offer is their attempt to lock down people's money before that all happens. But the issue with a voucher (and a reschedule) is that I've no idea when it's going to be useful. Will this be over this summer? Or will it be next before I could even use any voucher? Will Aer Lingus even be a thing next summer, as depressing a thought as that is, if the airline industry crashes down?

I think your understanding of the situation is clear and correct. They want to lock-in your money as they know they are unlikely to run that flight (they probably would rather cancel it anyway).

Now if they offer you 10% extra it isn't necessarily a bad deal depending on the validity date for the voucher (I personally wouldn't even consider it if it wasn't at least one year, but I would prefer two years - plus as you said there is a risk of the airline not being able to deliver if they get into serious trouble, although I think governments will probably assist national airlines).

But it is very likely that the flight will eventually be cancelled and refunded to you in cash if this is what you prefer.

I had a non-refundable BA flight from Switzerland to Ireland with a layover in London yesterday (which I was not going to use). BA sent me an option to cancel for free in exchange for a voucher (but not 10% extra) 2 days before the flight. I waited a bit and eventually the evening before departure it was cancelled and I am getting a plain cash refund. Interestingly the cancel leg was London to Dublin, now Switzerland to London which I thought was the most likely.

iwillyeah1234 · 19-03-2020 12:24PM

Michel Barnier tested positive. ( just saw it on Sky news).

This is now affecting the EU elite.

Gavlor · 19-03-2020 12:24PM

careless sherpa wrote: »

Is unbelievably retarded when all put together like that

Yourself and trump are two peas in a very stupid pod so.

Maybe choose your words a bit better next time.

This is it · 19-03-2020 12:24PM

dummy_crusher wrote: »

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 6: Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on coronavirus.”

March 9. "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"

March 13: "To this point, and because we have had a very strong border policy, we have had 40 deaths related to CoronaVirus. If we had weak or open borders, that number would be many times higher!"

March 13: "Today I am declaring a national emergency. Two very big words."

March 13. "No, I don't take responsibility at all. Because we were given a set of circumstances, given rules, regulations, and specifications from a different time. It wasn't meant for this kind of an event, with the kind of numbers that we are talking about."

March 16:"I give myself a 10 out of 10" (On handling Covid19 crisis)

March 17: “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

You'd laugh if it wasn't so serious.

Stateofyou · 19-03-2020 12:24PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

No bank payments whatsoever for 3 months if you've lost your job or closed a business due to coronavirus
At 3 months its reviewed to see if that's still needed
It may well be

But some will also be sick, or a family member sick and then have to self isolate for 14 days or longer. Financial hardship won't just come from job loss.

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 12:27PM

Cuckoo7 wrote: »

Maybe that will change with the new declaration?

https://www.politico.eu/article/french-government-declares-state-of-sanitary-emergency/

I hope so ...

10000maniacs · 19-03-2020 12:27PM

pH wrote: »

The best guess is that reported Italian total case figures are an order of magnitude lower than they really are. Meaning the total of actual cases in Italy has been more like 400,000 than 40,000.

The hope is that our 15,000 reported cases by end of month is far more indicative of the real number of cases, and isn't out by a factor of 10.

If 292 people were walking around with the virus for 2 weeks without even knowing it, Why wouldn't there be at least 30,000-50,000 cases?

Bannasidhe · 19-03-2020 12:27PM

BluePlanet wrote: »

I'm in Spain and went to the local store to queue up with others this morning.
We are allowed to go out for groceries, meds and dog walking.

Nephew, his wife, and child live in Spain.
His wife has a permit to go out for groceries, meds, and to walk the dog - he was apparently refused as he has a heart condition (that's his story anyway). He is at home wondering how he will pay his rent and the lease on his business.

farmchoice · 19-03-2020 12:28PM

pH wrote: »

The best guess is that reported Italian total case figures are an order of magnitude lower than they really are. Meaning the total of actual cases in Italy has been more like 400,000 than 40,000.

The hope is that our 15,000 reported cases by end of month is far more indicative of the real number of cases, and isn't out by a factor of 10.

if that is the case then it makes the mortality rate much lower as well.
in italy over the flu seasons 13/14 to 16/17 68,000 people died from flu in Italy, 22,500 per year on average. so far this flu has killed 3,000.

with a flu season of 150 days this gives an average death rate per day of 140 over those 3 years

the first case of this in italy was on the 15th of feb so from then to yesterday evening the covid 19 death rate is 94 per day.

walshb · 19-03-2020 12:30PM

To keep on the 25-30 percent prediction rate we are looking at 90 plus today..

Gael23 · 19-03-2020 12:30PM

I really feel for elderly who are dependent on caregivers entering their home and can’t really isolate

wakka12 · 19-03-2020 12:30PM

farmchoice wrote: »

if that is the case then it makes the mortality rate much lower as well.
in italy over the flu seasons 13/14 to 16/17 68,000 people died from flu in Italy, 22,500 per year on average. so far this flu has killed 3,000.

with a flu season of 150 days this gives an average death rate per day of 140 over those 3 years

the first case of this in italy was on the 15th of feb so from then to yesterday evening the covid 19 death rate is 94 per day.

Do you have a link for that figure of 68K? I seem to see a different figure for flu deaths varying by tens of thousands by different posters for UK/USA/Ireland/EUrope /the world

Wibbs · 19-03-2020 12:32PM

wakka12 wrote: »

No it was confirmed .
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-army-called-in-to-carry-away-corpses-as-citys-crematorium-is-overwhelmed-11959994

Sure, but think about it, each one of those trucks could transport what, 8 or 10 coffins. There's no way twenty trucks are being used as makeshift hearses. I think journalists who can be a tad eager to hype things up should dial that stuff back. But they won't. It sells.

MipMap wrote: »

Wait 2 weeks and everyone will be wearing them. The doctors and nusers in the hospitals don't do it for nothing!

I agree on the mask front. They would slow spread if everyone wore one. The problem is until supplies are replenished the doctors and nurses are the ones who really need them because they can't operate under social distancing. They're up close and personal. They need what supplies of masks there are first.

For the rest of us that don't have them the suggestion of a scarf or whatever wrapped around your nose and mouth would make some difference. Maybe more when compared to basic surgical masks which aren't a great fit.

dummy_crusher · 19-03-2020 12:32PM

This is it wrote: »

You'd laugh if it wasn't so serious.

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

Blueshoe · 19-03-2020 12:33PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Trump is an incompetent infantile orange f*ckwit who has totally mismanaged the american response to the pandemic.

They had less than 100 cases on March 3 while he was still downplaying the virus and ignoring reality.

They now have 9,464 cases and the curve is skyrocketing exponentially.

He deserves all the abuse which will be heaped on him. and more.

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/usa

The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

Go away

iwillyeah1234 · 19-03-2020 12:33PM

am i the only one who finds the Chinese stats quite frankly, unbelievable?

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/china

yet more covering up?

DOCARCH · 19-03-2020 12:33PM

Spain: +2,378 cases/+129 deaths so far today.

Boggles · 19-03-2020 12:34PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

am i the only one who finds the Chinese stats quite frankly, unbelievable?

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/china

yet more covering up?

Covering up what exactly?

klose · 19-03-2020 12:35PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

am i the only one who finds the Chinese stats quite frankly, unbelievable?

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/china

yet more covering up?

You would hope it's the truth, I think most people will be a bit cynical about it given how, well, it's the chinese.

scamalert · 19-03-2020 12:35PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Value of the Euro against which currency? If the ECB was acting in isolation you might have a point but it's not. Central banks the world over are doing the same thing, particularly the two key currencies for comparing the Euro against: the dollar and sterling.

fair point 3 strongest currencies will drop in value, if any more restrictions imposed who do you think will need to empty their pockets. Do a run down on countries like Spain Portugal or even Italy, how deep do you think they are now and how crippled the economy is, no tourists means they are facing unreal consequences for the season as is as its billions in GDP that arent coming in. Ireland does not rely on tourism much, but any jobs lost will put massive strain, as its even unclear how much already has been spent, and thats the money that someone will need to cover, banks dont write off anything on good will 2008 should be a good reminder.

it will be awhile before stats come out with economical fallout were faced and it wont be pretty.

Wibbs · 19-03-2020 12:35PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

Go away

Eh regardless of the Trump stuff, the EU has and is testing far more people than the US. It's also a couple of weeks ahead of the US in the trajectory of this pandemic. The European social health systems are also better placed to deal with something like this.

HopsAndJumps · 19-03-2020 12:36PM

The drug Favipiravir seems to be helping if admistered early in the infection to people with mild to moderate symptoms, it's a few months away from being approved though.

Boggles · 19-03-2020 12:36PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

The population of the US is 300 odd million they have 9000 cases
The population of the Eu is 741 million. 74,000 cases.

Go away

Jesus H Christ. America have not been testing largely because your hero claimed it was no worse than the flu.

Is there something wrong with you?

Tony EH · 19-03-2020 12:36PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

am i the only one who finds the Chinese stats quite frankly, unbelievable?

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/china

yet more covering up?

You can probably take every country's stat with a pinch of salt.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP