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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1592
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Oh dear God please make this pandemic stop soon so we do not have to suffer these silly idiots behaving even more toe curlingly than usual
    ...

    https://twitter.com/bestofgaI/status/1240443499910234112?s=19

    Ricky gervais was spot on at that awards ceremony earlier this year.


  • #1593
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It more to keep businesses going so when this crisis is over people have jobs to go back to so they can pay mortgages,rents and bills.

    No businesses = No jobs = No vat = less government money to spend= no money for hap, welfare etc.
    You get the idea

    If people can't buy anything because they have no money after being broke from forking out their last few shillings on a mortgage/rent they cannot pay, the result is the same.


  • #1594
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    Have you read anything by Italian doctors?
    That older people were dying there was because they were trying to save the lives of the 40 to 70 group.

    The Italian doctors were being forced into battlefield triage - deciding who would live and who would die.
    Which is what every other health system is trying to avoid.


  • #1595
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If people can't buy anything because they have no money after being broke from forking out their last few shillings on a mortgage/rent they cannot pay, the result is the same.

    They are going to freeze mortgage payments. Any helicopter money would be for day to day spending. I don't know why you are arguing with me. I'm just passing on what McWilliams said.
    Less businesses functioning means less jobs. You won't pay your mortgage if you don't have a job.


  • #1596
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Surely paying families directly in the USA is merely a reflection of how threadbare their social welfare safety net is?


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  • #1597
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Do you know how quotation marks work? - it's ok to say you don't.

    Still avoiding the question, I see.

    The British were going to implement what you and others here are calling for now.

    Why did they row back on it?


  • #1598
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    mosii wrote: »
    David mc Williams saying, give everybody free money,does he not know we cant do anything without ECB and the EU telling us what to do.
    We have no financila independence,as far as i can see.

    Incorrect
    The EU council suspended the growth and stability pact about a week ago
    We can spend what we like on this


  • #1599
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    D9Male wrote: »
    Are you willfully ignoring the news?

    Have you seen what is happening in Italy? Do you know that people in their 50s that need a respirator to survive are being denied one because it is needed by someone younger?

    This is why there is a crisis. It is probably coming to Ireland, the US, the UK, etc. It is already in Spain.

    Our public health system can't cope if it is that bad here.
    You can isolate the old and vulnerable, not shut down the entire economy and cause a 1929 level depression.
    Most people in their 50s will survive it, there will be the odd case of someone who is a heavy smoker or is already sick in some way dying.


  • #1600
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Which is what every other health system is trying to avoid.

    exactly - the italians hit that "italian curve" peak. which has really skewed the information circulating about Corona. ( it only affects over 70s )


  • #1601
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah sounds exactly like what happened with quantitive easing. I guess you like that though.

    The difference between QE and MMT is that QE injects the printed money into the financial economy whereas MMT attempts to inject printed money into the real economy (which takes a while in times of crisis as people will first tend to save, but will work eventually).

    And inflation pops-up where the money goes: asset prices inflation with QE and consumer prices inflation with MMT.


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  • #1602
    New Home
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    Has this been posted already?

    Army lorries had to be deployed to remove the coffins of those who died recently in Bergamo, the local crematorium couldn't deal with the huge numbers. They had been temporarily kept in the church.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8n3IskA-d4


  • #1603
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    There was news yesterday that Regeneron in limerick will be trialing something soon also!

    Long time to go yet but we will make it!

    We will. This is a time for true patriotism.


  • #1604
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    New Home wrote: »
    Has this been posted already?

    Army lorries had to be deployed to remove the coffins of those who died recently in Bergamo, the local crematorium couldn't deal with the huge numbers. They had been temporarily kept in the church.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8n3IskA-d4

    I think that might relate to a story about a home for the elderly which was ravaged by the virus.


  • #1605
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    bottlebrush wrote: »
    I'm getting cabin fever.
    Get an Xbox


  • #1606
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If people can't buy anything because they have no money after being broke from forking out their last few shillings on a mortgage/rent they cannot pay, the result is the same.

    No bank payments whatsoever for 3 months if you've lost your job or closed a business due to coronavirus
    At 3 months its reviewed to see if that's still needed
    It may well be


  • #1607
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    The people saying just do everything as normal must have no older family members,care more about money or are narcissistic.
    Whatever it is your making yourself look like a prick.

    Here is Bergamo in Italy

    https://twitter.com/Italians4Pete/status/1240418971792355330

    Society would collapse if this was let loose.


  • #1608
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,870 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #1609
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    New Home wrote: »
    Has this been posted already?

    Army lorries had to be deployed to remove the coffins of those who died recently in Bergamo, the local crematorium couldn't deal with the huge numbers. They had been temporarily kept in the church.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8n3IskA-d4

    They were probably over 50 and smoked so you like fvck it. Let's not overreact to a few corpses. Could cause a depression and don't give people money via a truck or helicopter to relieve the burden. Cheers

    FFS people find it hard to see 2 weeks into the future. This will happen here if we are not careful.


  • #1610
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    We haven't shut down the economy though. Nowhere close


  • #1611
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Ive learnt in past few days that lockdown aint going to work here unless enforced the actual amount of people out walking, cutting grass, talking to neighbours more or less the normal day except pubs bookies and certain places are shut the socialising is more or less still going on, some people just dont understand how its spreading or dont care either.


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  • #1612
    a_squirrelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    You can isolate the old and vulnerable, not shut down the entire economy and cause a 1929 level depression.
    Most people in their 50s will survive it, there will be the odd case of someone who is a heavy smoker or is already sick in some way dying.


    We most certainly can shut down the economy. We'll get through it, so deal with the temporary inconvenience.


  • #1613
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Michel Barnier has it.
    https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1240583782643773440?s=20


  • #1614
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Ive learnt in past few days that lockdown aint going to work here unless enforced the actual amount of people out walking, cutting grass, talking to neighbours more or less the normal day except pubs bookies and certain places are shut the socialising is more or less still going on, some people just dont understand how its spreading or dont care either.

    That's all perfectly fine with proper social distancing.


  • #1615
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Anyone else thinking we should burn the bond holders who don’t play ball ?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #1616
    Cuckoo7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    exactly - the italians hit that "italian curve" peak. which has really skewed the information circulating about Corona. ( it only affects over 70s )

    That’s false.


  • #1617
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    Better to have 200k still alive than unemployed.

    Jobs will come back when this is over.


  • #1618
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    There is no question to be asked.


  • #1619
    Curlysue76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭Curlysue76


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    Is there a particular number of deaths that will make it worthwhile? Anything over 100, 1000? If ‘only’ a certain amount die will it not have been worthwhile.


  • #1620
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.
    Some will pen articles on the cost but in the main we'll accept it, it's not 2008 and the banks. The unemployment will reverse very quickly but it's the huge sums that have to be spent on this that may affect things for quite a while. I don't know about years but quite probably up to a year.


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  • #1621
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.
    They papered over 2008 and now the virus gives them an excuse to fix the underlying problem.
    Evey boomer's failing business was being propped up, it's only mergers and acquisitions because nothing was happening other than printing money for the already rich. It used to be illegal to buy your own stock.
    After this 1929-style crash we will end up with a more sane economy.


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