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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1052
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Yes.

    We also closed schools far sooner, cancelled large events sooner and are doing far more testing per capita.

    What happens in the UK affects Ireland. We share a border with it, for starters.

    I obviously understand the border issue. When did schools close - less than a week ago? I'll give you the testing. I'm the last person to defend a Tory government but I'm not sure comparing a country of 5 million with one of nearly 70 million is always wise. I'm sure there have been errors in thinking, as there have been and will be in Ireland, but I also suspect certain measures were based on sound thinking regarding managing a population of 70 mil vs 5 mil.


  • #1053
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    wakka12 wrote: »
    No like I dont get the point to this personally? Like people walking around in a park with their dog is not going to infect anybody or even have the slightest risk of infecting aanyone, and if quarantine is going to last well into summer at least it will keep people sane. It just seems unnecessarily restrictive, to literally lock people in their homes

    I would have thought the more people being outside increases the chances of interactions. Why else would the other European countries be doing it?


  • #1054
    Blueshoe
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    No like I dont get the point to this personally? Like people walking around in a park with their dog is not going to infect anybody or even have the slightest risk of infecting aanyone, and if quarantine is going to last well into summer at least it will keep people sane. It just seems unnecessarily restrictive, to literally lock people in their homes

    Hundreds of thousands are working together everyday in offices, building sites etc.
    Do you want us to be China or Italy?


  • #1055
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,185 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Beasty wrote: »
    As Sephiroth_dude stole my thunder/gazumped me by starting this thread when I had another already lined up I'm throwing the stats up in an obscure location in this thread:pac:

    Thread 1 - 9,947 posts in 34 days - 1 post every 4.9 minutes
    Thread 2 - 8,575 posts in 125 hours - 1 post every 52 seconds
    Thread 3 - 9,601 posts in 105 hours - 1 post every 39 seconds
    Thread IV - 9,278 posts in 74 hours - 1 post every 29 seconds
    Thread V - 9,852 posts in 74 hours - 1 post every 27 seconds
    Thread VI - 9,988 posts in 58 hours - 1 post every 21 seconds
    Thread VII - 9,157 posts in 51 hours - 1 post every 20 seconds
    Thread VIII - 9,674 posts in 68 hours - 1 post every 25 seconds

    In the time we've had thread VIII running we've opened up a new forum, and posts in the forum and thread since the thread was created amount to 13,200 in 72 hours, or one every 19.6 seconds....

    I remember the Brexit threads were relatively fast moving last year, only lasting a couple of weeks, but man these ones are off the charts.


  • #1056
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Also, Italy, Spain and France have a huge number of cases and fatalities.

    I don't think you could justify that level of quarantine in Ireland (at the moment).

    But surely we're headed that way if we don't up the ante?


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  • #1057
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    fritzelly wrote: »
    It was on twitter :rolleyes:

    Of course :rolleyes:


  • #1058
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    fr336 wrote: »
    Why the hostility towards the UK? Genuinely interested. We've just today shut down schools. What are Ireland doing that the UK isn't apart from shutting pubs? I see on Sky News non essential shops in London likely to close this weekend. Has that happened in Dublin yet?
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Yes.

    We also closed schools far sooner, cancelled large events sooner and are doing far more testing per capita.

    What happens in the UK affects Ireland. We share a border with it, for starters.

    You correctly identify a degree of hostility.

    However it is in the main directed towards the UK Government not the people of Great Britain.

    There is a large Irish population in the UK and the two countries for good or bad are deeply connected.

    I'm sure the vast majority here wish you all well at this difficult time.


  • #1059
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,300 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    fr336 wrote: »
    I obviously understand the border issue. When did schools close - less than a week ago? I'll give you the testing. I'm the last person to defend a Tory government but I'm not sure comparing a country of 5 million with one of nearly 70 million is always wise. I'm sure there have been errors in thinking, as there have been and will be in Ireland, but I also suspect certain measures were based on sound thinking regarding managing a population of 70 mil vs 5 mil.

    In the UK's defence too, it's much easier to protect a country of 5m from the virus than one of 65m.


  • #1060
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    bekker wrote: »
    The other shoe has finally dropped.

    Two thirds of cases are younger than 55, with almost one in four people with the virus aged between 35 and 44.
    Irish Examiner - this evening.

    This is NOT restricted to over 65s.

    Its not but with a 2 week incubation to take into account most of these cases are either due to travel or getting it from somebody who has. Those figures will look very different at the end of the month.


  • #1061
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    elperello wrote: »
    You correctly identify a degree of hostility.

    However it is in the main directed towards the UK Government not the people of Great Britain.

    There is a large Irish population in the UK and the two countries for good or bad are deeply connected.

    I'm sure the vast majority here wish you all well at this difficult time.

    Oh absolutely. Didn't detect one inch of hostility towards UK population, just our government. Best wishes to you too, most of my family are Irish so I'm very much on board.


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  • #1062
    lak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭lak


    fr336 wrote: »
    I obviously understand the border issue. When did schools close - less than a week ago? I'll give you the testing. I'm the last person to defend a Tory government but I'm not sure comparing a country of 5 million with one of nearly 70 million is always wise. I'm sure there have been errors in thinking, as there have been and will be in Ireland, but I also suspect certain measures were based on sound thinking regarding managing a population of 70 mil vs 5 mil.


    The UK are at least 1 week ahead of us in train of events, what's been done now should have been done 2 weeks ago.


  • #1063
    Blueshoe
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    Lockdown works


  • #1064
    Cork Boy 53
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Ciara Kelly, and I'm sure others are not hospitalized.

    I think she was only confirmed positive on Monday.


  • #1065
    ForestFire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Banned in less than 2mins, with no due process and an opportunity to back up there claim with sources ;-)


  • #1066
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    brookers wrote: »
    Hi guys, what do you think of this. A friend of mine works for the NDLS and he said a lot of old people are coming in to renew their licence, they have to go to the gp if over 70 to get a form signed. He said some of their licences are not due for renewal for a few months, when challenged about it and why they are out they either have a sceptic view of the whole covid 19 pandemic or just say they are entitled etc. He feels that they really dont give a toss and whilest everybody is saying how vunerable etc they are, a lot of them couldnt give a monkeys.

    There's a thread further down about trying to convince elderly parents to stay in when they don't want to.
    Some of them just aren't afraid of the risk, and would rather keep living their life rather than risk being isolated and lonely and possibly dying anyway due to another age related issue.


  • #1067
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    How come in Spain and France they're not allowing people out unless absolutely necessary and now fining people for being outside?
    Should we be taking this approach?

    More dense I guess and bigger populations.

    Have to say I was very impressed today observeing social distancing in action on the street, in shops and chemists. Think Leo's speech last night got through.

    A lot more people wearing masks today.

    We have plenty of spaces and open parks etc. I don't think we need to take such a harsh approach although I believe cafes and restaurants should be shut.


  • #1068
    Gods Gift
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    If any females want to send me their hot photos, send them on and I’ll have a look at them for ye. Xxx


  • #1069
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Beasty wrote: »
    As Sephiroth_dude stole my thunder/gazumped me by starting this thread when I had another already lined up I'm throwing the stats up in an obscure location in this thread:pac:

    Thread 1 - 9,947 posts in 34 days - 1 post every 4.9 minutes
    Thread 2 - 8,575 posts in 125 hours - 1 post every 52 seconds
    Thread 3 - 9,601 posts in 105 hours - 1 post every 39 seconds
    Thread IV - 9,278 posts in 74 hours - 1 post every 29 seconds
    Thread V - 9,852 posts in 74 hours - 1 post every 27 seconds
    Thread VI - 9,988 posts in 58 hours - 1 post every 21 seconds
    Thread VII - 9,157 posts in 51 hours - 1 post every 20 seconds
    Thread VIII - 9,674 posts in 68 hours - 1 post every 25 seconds

    In the time we've had thread VIII running we've opened up a new forum, and posts in the forum and thread since the thread was created amount to 13,200 in 72 hours, or one every 19.6 seconds....

    It would be cool to turn it into a book some day like the diary of Anne Frank.


  • #1070
    Ande1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭Ande1975


    Gynoid wrote: »
    I tell ya if my kids start spraying me with disinfectant I will be a lighting c*nt too. Whatever it is.

    Figure of speech - get over it love! Ugh...


  • #1071
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Those who have said for years that the UK NHS is way better than the HSE, are probably lying low.

    Seems it's still taking 6 days to get test results in the UK


    Abysmal is the word that is being most used to describe the NHS response.


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  • #1072
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    bekker wrote: »
    The other shoe has finally dropped.

    Two thirds of cases are younger than 55, with almost one in four people with the virus aged between 35 and 44.
    Irish Examiner - this evening.

    This is NOT restricted to over 65s.

    Who said it was restricted to over 65s? Its just killing over 65s alot easier than the young and middle aged. Once the ICU fills up and ventilators become scarce the deaths will be all ages.


  • #1073
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    neonsofa wrote: »
    It says it in the very post you quoted, that the original approach in the beginning was to hospitalize the confirmed cases. Ciara Kelly's diagnosis was not in the beginning.

    When was the end of the beginning?


  • #1074
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    More dense I guess and bigger populations.

    Have to say I was very impressed today observeing social distancing in action on the street, in shops and chemists. Think Leo's speech last night got through.

    A lot more people wearing masks today.

    I don't see how population comes into it, it's still going to affect the same % of population of any country.


  • #1075
    Bannasidhe
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    I suspect a big factor is that 20% of those infected are health service workers.

    Unfortunately that is quite possible.


  • #1076
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Darc19 wrote: »
    Those who have said for years that the UK NHS is way better than the HSE, are probably lying low.

    Seems it's still taking 6 days to get test results in the UK


    Abysmal is the word that is being most used to describe the NHS response.

    Think it is the UK government which is at fault rather than the NHS.

    That being said, I think given the way the operate under trusts probably isn't best in the case of a pandemic though I expect they have some method to coordinate their strategy and action.


  • #1077
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I don't see how population comes into it, it's still going to affect the same % of population of any country.

    Apologies, I mean bigger population centres forcing people to congregate together.


  • #1078
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    fr336 wrote: »
    Why the hostility towards the UK? Genuinely interested. We've just today shut down schools. What are Ireland doing that the UK isn't apart from shutting pubs? I see on Sky News non essential shops in London likely to close this weekend. Has that happened in Dublin yet?

    It's more bewilderment at how the Tories are handling this. From the laissez faire attitude, adherence to a reckless "herd immunity" concept, suggesting that people should just carry on as normal, caring more about the "economy" than the people...to now, where they seem to be rolling back as fast as they can and being in a state of panic.

    Most people aren't being hostile toward the UK. They're just scratching their heads at the apparent lack of a realistic, caring, approach at the beginning, which some suggested would lead to over 200,000 deaths, and the apparent headless chicken dynamic now.


  • #1079
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I would have thought the more people being outside increases the chances of interactions. Why else would the other European countries be doing it?

    Of course but like the goal here is to stop mass infection which cripples the healthcare system, not completely stop all new infections, it is unfeasible. Dog walkers, people just doing some shopping, are a tiny contribution to the overall growth of coronavirus cases. The main growth is busy workplaces where nobody cleaned hands, packed pubs, clubs, busy events and mass gatherings, schools, colleges, all of which are gone . I would imagine the vast majority of growth has been curtailed with these measures and completely locking people inside is just overboard and will have diminishing returns


  • #1080
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Apologies, I mean bigger population centres forcing people to congregate together.

    Yeah but parts of Dublin are densely populated. I would have thought it'll spread around cities in Ireland etc just as much as it would elsewhere.
    Anyway we'll see how it goes, I just hope we don't end up like Italy for taking it easy.


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  • #1081
    Blueshoe
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Of course but like the goal here is to stop mass infection which cripples the healthcare system, not completely stop all new infections, it is unfeasible. Dog walkers, people just doing some shopping, are a tiny contribution to the overall growth of coronavirus cases. The main growth is busy workplaces where nobody cleaned hands, packed pubs, clubs, busy events, schools, colleges, all of which are gone . I would imagine the vast majority of growth has been curtailed with these measures and completely locking people inside is just overboard and will have diminishing returns

    Busy workplaces are not gone. Not at all


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