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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The number of cases in Europe has now far surpassed China, by several thousand. At least 85,000 cases in Europe now

    One way of looking at it! :eek: With half the population of China!


  • Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    They look to be coming off an exponential growth rate. It'll take time for numbers to drop but the key point is you wouldn't expect a factor of ten increase. That comes as little solace but it's a positive.


    That's exactly right.



    If you plot the new cases as a % of the overall, they are flattening out now, as are Spain. This is what happened in China too, and they got out of it. They are also testing more, so by definition likely to be picking up more positives. Another thing to bear in mind is that the numbers are only reflective of positive tests. Actual cases are going to be a significant multiple of that in any event.



    Doing the same exercise for USA (new cases as % of overall) you would see a continuing sharp upwards trend, true exponential growth.


    We need to stick with what we're doing, and be ready to bite down harder. We are changing our course and will see the benefits in 2 or 3 weeks. The cases that are being picked up now are people who were infected before we introduced restrictions. There will still be cases from then on, but many, many less than there might otherwise be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭jackboy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    How could Italy experience such an increase like that like a week after a complete lockdown? Where are all the infections coming from, how could they still be happening, when almost everyone in Italy is indoors all the time?

    Possibly this is what flattening the curve looks like. These numbers could be repeated for a while before then reducing quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Hedgehod55


    leavingirl wrote: »
    The teachers want to remain on full pay. That's grand. Let's check in again in 12 months when the 2nd emergency budget is announced and all teachers get a 20% pay cut.

    The least ye could do is work for Simon over the next six months.

    Jesus, would you ever f**k off out of this thread with your constant teacher-bashing. Take it somewhere else, this is not the thread for it.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The number of cases in Europe has now far surpassed China, by several thousand. At least 85,000 cases in Europe now

    I wouldn't trust the chinese numbers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭Icepick


    We need a total lockdown bar food shops and pharmacies.
    Still too many people who won't cop on.

    Are people returning from SPain, etc. ordered to self quarantine for 14 days? Is this checked by anyone if so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,373 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    +4207 in Italy, 475 new deaths,
    And the media were saying it's slowing there ????



    literally the end of the world.

    I see no end to this, no end ....

    There had been a stagnation for a few days, but today has been a bad blow.

    The lockdown should start taking effect soon and that will hopefully start to ease the pressure on the health service there.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Jesus, it is devastating what is happening in Italy, how on earth is it so bad there yet not so in likes of germany etc? Are figures being downplayed elsewhere?
    Could be all sorts of factors B. Older population demographic because though younger folks have died the vast majority who have died are over 70. More interaction between the generations which is more common in Latin cultures so more spreading of the virus upwards from younger people, especially kids who tend to show no symptoms. More apartment living which means more shared areas and surfaces. Even maybe because they're more tactile than northern cultures.

    There might be a localised biological reason too. I've been reading some very early research that suggests people with Group A blood are more prone to suffering more serious symptoms than Group O people. Maybe there are higher proportions of the former in northern Italy when compared to say Germany? I do recall reading a paper on Neandertal genetics in modern DNA and seem to also recall that northern Italians show some genetic differences to southern Italians(the latter have more archaic admixture).

    Testing plays into this too. The more they test in an area the lower the death rate goes, because they expose more of the 90 odd percent who have mild symptoms. If which is what goes on at the start of something like this they're only testing hospital cases, or people with obvious symptoms the fatality percentage looks far worse. Kinda like if you decided to study the rate of broken bones in a population by measuring how many fractures you saw in a casualty department. You'd be convinced people were snapping bones on a daily basis. :)

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    darjeeling wrote: »
    There's a Northern ireland one from Feb 26 as well, which also groups in with the big European set of sequences.

    So we've five virus genomes from Ireland in total, all imported from Europe, and two or three might be linked - would need patient history to know this.
    All 5 are highlighted here: https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_division=Limerick,Northern%20Ireland,Dublin&l=radial&m=div.


    Thanks again for this!


    In the map with I see a link with South America, what is that about ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Love it, Pascal just told the landlords **** off and help tenants


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    dmc17 wrote: »
    Our schools aren't opening on the 30th March

    No they won’t. They will remain closed now until September at the earliest.
    But the vast majority of working parents think that the schools will open after Easter at the very latest.
    What is being done here to help these parents?
    Who will mind their children until September while they go to work?
    Johnson has announced just now that the children of frontline workers can continue to go to the school to allow their parents to continue fighting the virus.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I very much doubt the secondary schools will be back until September.

    The primary schools might get back in June.

    Agreed - At best there might be some kind of work-around for Leaving Certs , but the rest almost certainly won't be back this school year..

    The next "window" to be announced will probably be to say , "No return until after Easter mid-term" as for most people that would only really be an extra week to ten days of kids being home unexpectedly ( excluding the actual mid-term).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    I fear the UK is heading the same way as Italy- possibly worse. Thanks to the idiotic strategy of their Government, up until the recent u-turn, London is likely going to see a steep rise in confirmed cases in the days ahead because of their bungling.
    What good is our strategy really, if travel between Ireland and the UK is not now severly curtailed?
    Johnson was just saying they're closing the schools because the curve is moving a certain way.
    How can they possibly know what way the curve is moving while they're only testing the people in hospital?
    How can that be scientific?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    joe_99 wrote: »
    13% Muslim ??? What are you on about?
    Apologies, decimal point wrong position, >1.3%, should have double checked, just posted and moved on. No excuse!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    bilston wrote: »
    The lockdown should start taking effect soon and that will hopefully start to ease the pressure on the health service there.

    I think it will take another week/10 days before you start seeing figures come down in Italy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,063 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    banie01 wrote: »
    Not much use if one doesn't have a smartphone, or is a BOI customer....
    .

    What do you mean by this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Is there any news about how Spain's ICUs are coping? I have not heard the same stories out of there as with Italy. Has anyone heard?



    Madrid: 446 patients in ICU - hospitals on the brink of collapse
    https://www.larazon.es/salud/2020031...zh2tfnsqq.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    BREAKING: Italy reports 4,207 new cases of coronavirus and 475 new deaths, raising total to 35,713 cases and 2,978 dead


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    On boris’s headstone will read “the science had changed”😡😡


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ecoli3136 wrote: »
    That's exactly right.



    If you plot the new cases as a % of the overall, they are flattening out now, as are Spain. This is what happened in China too, and they got out of it.



    Doing the same for USA and you would see a continuing sharp upwards trend.


    We need to stick with what we're doing, and be ready to bite down harder. We are changing our course and will see the benefits in 2 or 3 weeks.

    I'm hoping that Ireland can be one of Europe's outliers or 'success stories'. Finland and a couple of other countries seem to be holding up well too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Icepick wrote: »
    We need a total lockdown bar food shops and pharmacies.
    Still too many people who won't cop on.

    Are people returning from SPain, etc. ordered to self quarantine for 14 days? Is this checked by anyone if so?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Please please forget about 30th of March will be luck very lucky to see kids at school come September might even be longer

    I know that. You know that. Vast majority of parents I speak to expecting to send kids back to school after Easter at the latest.
    They’re already finding it a terrible strain. What are we going to do?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    BREAKING: Italy reports 4,207 new cases of coronavirus and 475 new deaths, raising total to 35,713 cases and 2,978 dead

    BREAKING....? About 25 pages back on Boards! Keep up! :P


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    splinter65 wrote: »
    No they won’t. They will remain closed now until September at the earliest.
    Just to be clear - this is speculation. I am of a similar view, but at this stage, AFAIK, the official line is they are only closed until Easter


  • Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    banie01 wrote: »
    Not much use if one doesn't have a smartphone, or is a BOI customer....
    But!
    Set up Google Pay or Apple Pay and the tap to pay limits arent a problem.

    I have a smartphone and am a BOI customer without contactless. And of course Google pay doesn't support my card and my passport is out of date so no Revolut either. Sake. I have ordered a new card however so fingers crossed it gets to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭dan786


    The Mandate trade union which represents retail staff has been notified that the Penneys chain is to close due to Covid-19.

    Brown Thomas and Arnotts also shut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    What do you mean by this?

    BOI don't support Apple or Google Pay, and a smartphone is needed for either the Apple or Google apps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Sorry if already posted (and can't delink first tweet, not trying to scaremonger)

    Avoid ibuprofen for Covid 19 symptoms says World Health Organization

    https://twitter.com/FanchetAldo/status/1240330409138892800

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200318-avoid-ibuprofen-for-coronavirus-symptoms-who-says


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I think it will take another week/10 days before you start seeing figures come down in Italy.

    Clearly this appears to be true but why is it? Considering the incubation period is 3-5 days in the vast majority of cases wouldnt one expect a huge reduction in number of new caes after this period?


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