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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #8192
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Yeah I don't get that comment. Some have to go out and work in essential services (I do, and I really should be asleep but I can't sleep) but others can't help it if they don't work in essential services and are either working from home or out of work. And they absolutely should be self isolating.

    It’s like Boris Johnson’s dad on live tv saying he will go to the pub to support businesses. Completely ridiculous.

    If people are required to be in public for necessary reasons like medical staff, transport, people in shops then it keeps country going. Other than that, it is not required and doing more harm than good.


  • #8193
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    First they came for Wuhan
    And I did not speak out,
    For I was not from Wuhan

    Then they came for China,
    And I didn't speak out,
    For I was not Chinese

    Then they came for Asia,
    And I did not speak out,
    For I was not Asian

    Then they came for humanity,
    And I did not speak out,
    Because I could no longer breathe


  • #8194
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Kylemore/status/1239894611944001537

    Hope they still have their iodine tablets handy, looks like they will be needing them after that little spill.


  • #8195
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,073 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Sometimes this thread feels like a Werewolf game
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #8196
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/fiannafailparty/status/1239914650336137223

    Thought St Patrick drove out all the snakes


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  • #8197
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Loaded question here... and not meaning to sound like a dolt but interested in hearing peoples opinions as I am on a panel for the civil service. I work in tourism so that sector is on it's last legs for the foreseeable future. What do you think the long term effects will have on the public/civil service?

    P.S. sorry if this post annoys anyone as it's an economic question that makes me sound like an apathetic fool. I am just thinking long term here as I have a family and would appreciate peoples thoughts.


  • #8198
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    Loaded question here... and not meaning to sound like a dolt but interested in hearing peoples opinions as I am on a panel for the civil service. I work in tourism so that sector is on it's last legs for the foreseeable future. What do you think the long term effects will have on the public/civil service?

    P.S. sorry if this post annoys anyone as it's an economic question that makes me sound like an apathetic fool. I am just thinking long term here as I have a family and would appreciate peoples thoughts.

    It is impossible to answer and indeed irrelevant. We have never in modern society faced anything where there is no known outcome. It could pass quite quickly without much ramifications or it could continue with widespread catastrophe.

    This is not like a market crash or a property crash. But at times like this, it’s best not to get anxious in things we have no control of.


  • #8199
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    Loaded question here... and not meaning to sound like a dolt but interested in hearing peoples opinions as I am on a panel for the civil service. I work in tourism so that sector is on it's last legs for the foreseeable future. What do you think the long term effects will have on the public/civil service?

    P.S. sorry if this post annoys anyone as it's an economic question that makes me sound like an apathetic fool. I am just thinking long term here as I have a family and would appreciate peoples thoughts.

    Just going off the 2008 recession, I'd assume a recruitment freeze and perhaps wage cuts?


  • #8200
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I know there are people who seem to be revelling in a "we're all doomed" narrative but it's not about the numbers right now, it's the inevitable increase. Most of these will be people with mild symptoms, but either way, the more cases, the more deaths. And there are still people being cavalier about it.

    I doubt that it'll get like Italy here percentage wise but comparison to Spain worries me. The first confirmed case here was 18/19 days ago. When Spain was at that point, the number of confirmed cases was even less than here today (troubling when you compare the two populations; although maybe there is more testing here) and look at the huge surge since.

    Now it's still a different country which may not have had the same measures in place, but we are heading for a surge and need that dose of realism.

    Those who can be in isolation should be.

    The doomsday merchants are winding me up.Im doing evrything im asked to help prevent this spread,but people going on about 15000 cases here in 3 weeks when no other country has had the same is way over the top.
    joeguevara wrote: »
    When you say‘keep this country going’ what do you mean. I think angry posts are not really called for so haven’t read what preceded this, but am interested in what people are doing from now on.

    Im a truck driver,ive 2 deliveries tomorrow 1 to a pharma place in cork and another in galway...the same as any other week...Then sleep in my truck somewhere towards dublin(depends on hours driven and hours worked) but ill do the same tomorrow...its not essential emergency supplies of ventilators or medicine so im no fcuking hero or anything :pac:...But yeh Im cracking on working keeping sh1t going while others hide away in isolation...thats not a problem until fools start frightening the fcuk out of other with their doomsday scenarios.
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Exactly you're bullsh!tting...

    I call you out on it, and you have nothing!

    You can't point out one instance where I attempted to hype this situation or scare anybody.

    Stop being arrogant, and admit you don't have a clue how this thing is going to play out... just like practically everyone else in the world right now!

    You don't know what is an overreaction, and what is a reasonable reaction to this situation... because you've never been through it before. Like the rest of us!

    I'm not triggered or overly excited. Your little trucker video is just some kid who is confused and doesn't know what is going on in the country right now. He's trying to wrap his head around it, but is struggling... that's all I got from your video, buddy! (Not that there's anything wrong with that btw)

    And good on him getting out in his truck and doing his bit to keep the country on it's feet... I am also trying to do my bit and still putting in hours in my job.


    Ive havent bullsh1t about anything so wind your neck in there a relax


  • #8201
    Cyclonius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Cyclonius


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    Just going off the 2008 recession, I'd assume a recruitment freeze and perhaps wage cuts?

    On the other hand, you have a large percentage (20 to 30%) of staff who will hit their 40 years of service within the next two to three years. At least 10% in my office likely to go this year. Redeployment might counter some of that, but new staff will be needed.


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  • #8202
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,596 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Can see a lot of people killing themselves over this, might kill more than the virus. Too many have lost too much.


  • #8203
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,317 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I know there are people who seem to be revelling in a "we're all doomed" narrative but it's not about the numbers right now, it's the inevitable increase. Most of these will be people with mild symptoms, but either way, the more cases, the more deaths. And there are still people being cavalier about it.

    I doubt that it'll get like Italy here percentage wise but comparison to Spain worries me. The first confirmed case here was 18/19 days ago. When Spain was at that point, the number of confirmed cases was even less than here today (troubling when you compare the two populations; although maybe there is more testing here) and look at the huge surge since.

    Now it's still a different country which may not have had the same measures in place, but we are heading for a surge and need that dose of realism.

    Those who can be in isolation should be.

    One glimmer of hope I'm taking is that we've only seen two fatalities in Ireland so far.

    Looking at the numbers for Spain and the UK, either those guys are not doing a good job of treating their CV patients or the rate of infection is actually much higher per head of the population than Ireland.


  • #8204
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    One big factor could be Ireland’s age profile is a lot younger than most of Europe. We had a baby boom in the late 1970s and early 80s and that was probably the first generation that stuck around. Our “boomers” are closer to being millennials (some are) whereas in many countries the demographic is definitely older, with a much larger cohort having been born sometime just after WWII than we have and that’s placing them in their 70s.

    So we may have that in our favour.

    Ireland actually has big issues ahead demographically when my generation born 79 to about 89 start to hit retirement in 25-30 years time as there are a LOT more of us than will be paying in.


  • #8205
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    But yeh Im cracking on working keeping sh1t going while others hide away in isolation...


    What a Hero.


  • #8206
    eldudebros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭eldudebros


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Can see a lot of people killing themselves over this, might kill more than the virus. Too many have lost too much.

    Posts like these are nuts. You'd swear some people revel and stew in the misery. Christ almighty.


  • #8207
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    davedanon wrote: »
    What a Hero.

    nice selective quote,you snipped the part where i said im no hero!


  • #8208
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    The doomsday merchants are winding me up.Im doing evrything im asked to help prevent this spread,but people going on about 15000 cases here in 3 weeks when no other country has had the same is way over the top.



    Im a truck driver,ive 2 deliveries tomorrow 1 to a pharma place in cork and another in galway...the same as any other week...Then sleep in my truck somewhere towards dublin(depends on hours driven and hours worked) but ill do the same tomorrow...its not essential emergency supplies of ventilators or medicine so im no fcuking hero or anything :pac:...But yeh Im cracking on working keeping sh1t going while others hide away in isolation...thats not a problem until fools start frightening the fcuk out of other with their doomsday scenarios.




    Ive havent bullsh1t about anything so wind your neck in there a relax

    Then I hope you get the gratitude you deserve. I have mentioned delivery drivers are frontline workers and are imperative in this. But I have seen others with non essential jobs say they won’t hide away and are going out even if it’s against guidance.

    I think we have to keep going each day as it comes and follow best practice. If it’s too conservative we will find out very quickly. However if we disregard it and just go out irregardless and it is as bad as thought, we can’t go back.


  • #8209
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,117 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    The doomsday merchants are winding me up.Im doing evrything im asked to help prevent this spread,but people going on about 15000 cases here in 3 weeks when no other country has had the same is way over the top.

    That's more a warning - "ignore us at your peril..."

    Italy went from 1000 to 15000 in two weeks
    Spain will be hitting 15000 in the same time frame if not actually faster

    Up to the people to prevent an Italy situation - listen to the advice and beat it, or ignore us and suffer


  • #8210
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    nice selective quote,you snipped the part where i said im no hero!

    I wanted to emphasise the fact that you were being an arsehole. Hope this helps.


  • #8211
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    So with Leo announcing the strategy of cocooning is to be used here, is it realization and perhaps a drip feed to the public we won't be able to maintain the current strategy for more than another few weeks?

    That's us, UK, Netherlands and I think Sweden coming out with it from Government level.

    Reckon they are just gonna go for a let the fit and healthy get back to normal, keep the place running and focus on the cocooning strategy to keep it at bay in a few weeks?


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  • #8212
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Then I hope you get the gratitude you deserve. I have mentioned delivery drivers are frontline workers and are imperative in this. But I have seen others with non essential jobs say they won’t hide away and are going out even if it’s against guidance.

    I think we have to keep going each day as it comes and follow best practice. If it’s too conservative we will find out very quickly. However if we disregard it and just go out irregardless and it is as bad as thought, we can’t go back.

    Im just doing my job ive done for nearly 20 years...if by some fluke i deliver something important then so be it...i collect a trailer in dublin port tomorrow and maybe something important is in it maybe not but my job is to get it to where it needs to go.


  • #8213
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,317 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Xertz wrote: »
    One big factor could be Ireland’s age profile is a lot younger than most of Europe. We had a baby boom in the late 1970s and early 80s and that was probably the first generation that stuck around. Our “boomers” are closer to being millennials (some are) whereas in many countries the demographic is definitely older, with the largest cohort having been born sometime just after WWII, placing them in their 70s.

    So we may have that in our favour.

    It's interesting to look at the stats for various countries. Finland has had a similar number of cases to us and 0 deaths : Spain, UK and NL are faring much worse (even allowing for population size).

    A big hope is that the likes of us and Finland might be able to buck the European trend for both cases and fatalities. There are bound to be outliers during this pandemic, and God willing we are one of them.


  • #8214
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    So with Leo announcing the strategy of cocooning is to be used here, is it realization and perhaps a drip feed to the public we won't be able to maintain the current strategy for more than another few weeks?

    That's us, UK, Netherlands and I think Sweden coming out with it from Government level.

    Reckon they are just gonna go for a let the fit and healthy get back to normal, keep the place running and focus on the cocooning strategy to keep it at bay in a few weeks?

    He did say that elderly and vulnerable people need to cocoon. But with school closures, pub closures, public service closures and guidance to work from home it goes much further than other countries. U.K. are allowing mass gatherings such as concerts, schools remain open etc. We are advised to self isolate as much as possible rather than go back to normal.


  • #8215
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    davedanon wrote: »
    I wanted to emphasise the fact that you were being an arsehole. Hope this helps.

    Fcuk you...others like fritzelly can reply without being a.....suggest you have a **** and reduce your tension.


  • #8216
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    fritzelly wrote: »
    That's more a warning - "ignore us at your peril..."

    Italy went from 1000 to 15000 in two weeks
    Spain will be hitting 15000 in the same time frame if not actually faster

    Up to the people to prevent an Italy situation - listen to the advice and beat it, or ignore us and suffer

    My argument against that scenario is we locked the place down way before they did...we are doing social distance and all that stuff way before they did...why should we be near the same level as those countries when we got on top of it much much sooner.


  • #8217
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Im just doing my job ive done for nearly 20 years...if by some fluke i deliver something important then so be it...i collect a trailer in dublin port tomorrow and maybe something important is in it maybe not but my job is to get it to where it needs to go.

    It is doubtful that anything is being purchased and imported that isn’t necessary at the moment. Cash flow for businesses is of prime importance so they only want things that they can sell. People like you should be applauded for ensuring that people have supplies they need. But it is a scary time so people who are isolating should not be seen as the enemy.,we need to work together to get through this.


  • #8218
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Fcuk you...others like fritzelly can reply without being a.....suggest you have a **** and reduce your tension.

    Very strange rejoinder. Anyway...

    "But yeh Im cracking on working keeping sh1t going while others hide away in isolation"

    Bragging on about how you're getting **** done despite everything, but others are "hiding away".

    Arsehole.


  • #8219
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,117 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    My argument against that scenario is we locked the place down way before they did...we are doing social distance and all that stuff way before they did...why should we be near the same level as those countries when we got on top of it much much sooner.

    We did lock down sooner - but far too many are just ignoring the warnings
    There was a great article posted here about how different scenarios affect things - cannot stop it but slow it down. It needs nearly everyone to be observing the distancing for it to be effective


  • #8220
    J. Marston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,349 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Any truth to this?

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767


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  • #8221
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    The doomsday merchants are winding me up.Im doing evrything im asked to help prevent this spread,but people going on about 15000 cases here in 3 weeks when no other country has had the same is way over the top.

    Actually they're not doomsday predictions... they're potentially quite accurate!
    Im a truck driver,ive 2 deliveries tomorrow 1 to a pharma place in cork and another in galway...the same as any other week...Then sleep in my truck somewhere towards dublin(depends on hours driven and hours worked) but ill do the same tomorrow...its not essential emergency supplies of ventilators or medicine so im no fcuking hero or anything :pac:...But yeh Im cracking on working keeping sh1t going while others hide away in isolation...thats not a problem until fools start frightening the fcuk out of other with their doomsday scenarios.

    Woodside Haulage by any chance?

    Used to drive trucks myself. Might be doing so again, if my current job goes under. (Looking highly probable right now)

    I don't think people are deliberately trying to frighten anyone. Some of the realistic worse case scenarios are fairly stark - and we do need to prepare ourselves for those possibilities!
    Ive havent bullsh1t about anything so wind your neck in there a relax

    You are!

    You're telling people to stop overreacting, even though you have no real knowledge of what is an appropriate reaction to this situation! We are living in very strange times right now... people are are right to be worrying. I'm not a worrier myself, but I understand the concerns of people. We don't really know how this is going to end. (Even the experts don't)

    It's arrogant for anyone to pretend they do know. Or to tell others how they should be reacting!


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