Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

DeanAustin wrote: »

The UK are saying they are making decisions based on medical and expert advice. There is a logic to what they are saying and what they are doing. That’s not to say I necessarily agree with it but Boris Johnson is better informed on the subject than me or you.

It’s impossible for most of us here to make an informed judgement because we aren’t experts. History will judge whether the UK has done a good job on this.

Seems like they are OK with a lot of people dying.

DeanAustin wrote: »

The UK are saying they are making decisions based on medical and expert advice. There is a logic to what they are saying and what they are doing. That’s not to say I necessarily agree with it but Boris Johnson is better informed on the subject than me or you.

It’s impossible for most of us here to make an informed judgement because we aren’t experts. History will judge whether the UK has done a good job on this.

You're right and I'd rather nothing more than being wrong on this point, but that press conferences felt like one to just play down fears and to protect their economy, while accepting there will be huge losses.

I'd take the Irish approach all day tbh.

Scarinae wrote: »

Ice hockey has just been suspended in North America as well

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1238156904473530368?s=20

First NBA, now this, I wouldn't be surprised if NFL is next.

NFL doesn’t start for another few months,August or ?September I think

Graham wrote: »

Reports by who? Where?

Journal.ie

'No need for panic buying': Supermarkets warn consumers following 'high demand' over coronavirus

Today’s news.

otnomart wrote: »

I don't think so.
Lockdown does work,

we just don't see the effects overnight

I have anecdotal evidence from friends in Northern Italy that in the small town they're in (Romano), it seems to be widespread. Many of them believe they've had or have it now.
A number of deaths in the town already, including one of their parents.

I think the lockdown will work, but I fear Italy are quite a bit further into this than China were.

I think BoJo strikes the right note, candid about the bad news but optimistic about our ability to manage this crisis. The worst thing you can do is play down the danger like Trump does. That deeply undermines confidence.

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Now consider this,

Italian hospitals are accepting only younger than 65 and with no per-existing life treatening health issues and only if they have critical symptoms
Hospitals are full

Yes exactly - Italian figures are not an accurate representation of the distribution of fatalities across different groups in ideal conditions.

Since some groups have to be designated as not being eligible for care, these groups' death rates will be disproportionally high vs what would happen if hospitals could provide care to them.

gabeeg wrote: »

I think the lockdown will work, but I fear Italy are quite a bit further into this than China were.

Agreed also i dunno if I read this right but has Italy a different strain of the virus ?

Someone might correct me if I’m wrong I have read so much now it’s getting a bit jumbled

Kunkka wrote: »

Trying to just have a different opinion to the many people furious about the UK approach?

There is no such thing as a premature lockdown with this. There is just a lockdown until things settle over the course of a few months. See Wuhan where things are slowly getting better.

How can allowing mass public gathering and creating more cases help the UK in the long term? If anything it will cause the pressure on the NHS to be even greater and longer.

Let me ask you this.

If Italy could go back in time do you not think they'd have gone into lockdown sooner? I don't think they'd say "Na, we don't want to do it too early".

They are being advised by this group of experts, they don’t seem to be going against their advice. https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage I heard a doctor say that the virus doesn’t survive that long outside.

otnomart wrote: »

Macron speaking today at 20.00
Given that yesterday a French Gov spoke person said that the Italian (and therefore the Chinese) measures were non effective, it's anyone"s guess what he is about to announce.


Not border closures, as he is dead against it.


Either a Merkel style speech (60-70% of population will get this, keep calm and carry on) or my guess is that he will stop the intercity passenger circulation inside France: both TGV trains and flights.
Meaning that people will still be able to get to work.
Will found out in one hour or so.

"We surrender"

One of the biggest problems will be to decide who gets the ventilators. Italian doctors are already having to make these stark choices.

Kunkka wrote: »

You're right and I'd rather nothing more than being wrong on this point, but that press conferences felt like one to just play down fears and to protect their economy, while accepting there will be huge losses.

I'd take the Irish approach all day tbh.

That could be the motivation and these things are seldom black and white. They may tell themselves they are doing it for the right reasons but in reality they’re driven by an unconscious bias to protect the economy. I don’t believe anyone is willingly choosing to endanger public health for the sake of the economy. However, hindsight sometimes reveals motivation behind these decisions and if that’s what’s revealed here, history will judge Johnson and his government very, very harshly.

But I can’t read his mind/his ministers’ minds so I’ll take them at face value. I hope their approach works because this is a very, very dangerous and scary reality for a lot of people who are relying on the government getting this right.

DrumSteve wrote: »

Seems like they are OK with a lot of people dying.

They've accepted a lot of people will die.
Everyone has to at this stage but it's too hard for many to comprehend.

It's all down to how big that figure will be and giving the health system the best chance to try and help as many people as possible.