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12-03-2020 11:17AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

The EU can't suspend/limit free movement on public health grounds. But individual Member States can, and from time to time do.

I think its time for all.members to do.so

I wont pretend to even remotely be knowlagable on finer points of eu law

8-10 · 12-03-2020 11:21AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

1. You'll be asked. Not everyone is prepared to lie directly.

2. Do you have a machine readable passport? Can you recall if it was scanned the last time you travelled to or from Schengenland? If the answer to the first question is "yes" and the answer to second question is either "it was scanned" or "I don't recall if it was scanned" then you need to think carefully about whether, even if you are prepared to lie, you will get away with it.

If you can't remember if you scanned your passport in a Schengen country in the 14 days leading up to your Ireland to USA flight that's a bit ridiculous. You're making it out like there's no way you'd know for sure and would be taking a chance.

Peregrinus · 12-03-2020 11:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think its time for all.members to do.so

Some have done. Slovakia has banned flights from Italy, for example. (Though that looks a bit tokenistic; there are multiple overland road and rail routes, and the ban doesn't affect them.)

And I think this points to a danger. Travel bans may be introduced in response to public demand, or in an attempt to be seen to act vigorously. Whereas the WHO's vies is that travel bans are mostly useless, and occasionally harmful (where they impede the movement of medical personnel or medical supplies, or distract attention/resources from less dramatic but more effective measures).

So, travel bans may have a (modest) role to play, but I'd be very much guided by the epidemiologists on the matter of when and how they should be deployed. It's vital that any action here be evidence based, and designed to be effective rather than to look macho.

Peregrinus · 12-03-2020 11:30AM

8-10 wrote: »

If you can't remember if you scanned your passport in a Schengen country in the 14 days leading up to your Ireland to USA flight that's a bit ridiculous. You're making it out like there's no way you'd know for sure and would be taking a chance.

I entered Italy from Australia (via Doha) on an EU passport last year. I honestly cannot recall if I scanned my passport on arrival or merely showed it.

OK, that was more than 14 days ago. But if you had asked me 14 days after the event if my passport had been scanned, I'm not sure that I could reliably have told you. I go through airports on autopilot. I don't think I'm alone.

Plus, my passport was scanned on leaving Australia; I do remember that. Did that scan include a record of the flight I was boarding? Is the data from that scan shared by Australia with the US? I dunno. Do you? The Australians share a lot with the US.

Graces7 · 12-03-2020 11:35AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Because somewhere someone IIRC posted something along the lines of bog roll was all made in China or some such daftness and the meme spread faster than any virus. Like fidget spinners, hula hoops, property bubbles, whatever. A too large proportion of people are very easily influenced by such things. Not all are morons either, though morons make up a fair chunk, but add in fear, ignorance and a change in how safe they view the world and all bets are off. In essence most people are fine, some are thick, some are bright, most meet in the middle, but the Mob is always reactive and stupid.

PANIC demands ACTION to satisfy it so maybe toilet paper is innocent enough! Keeping up with what others are doing matters too... The great god PANIC. Could lead to far worse things than loo rolls.

Graces7 · 12-03-2020 11:36AM

Xertz wrote: »

I have what seems to be a head cold / cough and someone else in the house has a really bad cough and basically I'm not going out at all and working from home.

They're unlikely to be anything to do with COVID19 but, even so.

I'm also not reading or posting on the main COVID19 thread anymore as I'm just finding it's a load of nasty, aggressive twitter-style scare mongering. The odd bit of good information in the mix too, but it's just turned into a really unpleasant thread.

Delving into that thread's just making me feel really, really stressed and overwhelmed. At this stage, I've just decided, come what may, I'll just have to deal with it. There's no point in freaking out over something you aren't going to have much control over anyway.

Take the usual precautions and that's pretty much all you can do.

Great post; thank you and me too...

ohnonotgmail · 12-03-2020 11:39AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

1. You'll be asked. Not everyone is prepared to lie directly.

2. Do you have a machine readable passport? Can you recall if it was scanned the last time you travelled to or from Schengenland? If the answer to the first question is "yes" and the answer to second question is either "it was scanned" or "I don't recall if it was scanned" then you need to think carefully about whether, even if you are prepared to lie, you will get away with it.

the post i responded to said that Homeland will track everybodies travel over the preceding 14 days. If they have to ask and hope that you answer honestly that really isn't tracking is it?

ohnonotgmail · 12-03-2020 11:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate to be defending FF and FG,but there is freedom of movement laws in eu,which might make banning italians very difficult to do??

We've spent last 2 years argueing over brexit,on this very issue

That being said,i do think the EU should step.in and suspend free movements as much as is viable to do so

i cant see what issue there would be with banning flights from Italy and surrounding countries landing in Ireland.

SAMTALK · 12-03-2020 11:45AM

If people would just do the basic hand washing and hygiene it would go a long way.

I see people in work just using the hand gel but not washing hands on a regular basis. Clean your phone, keyboard, table.

Stark · 12-03-2020 11:48AM

To the best of my recollection, my passport has always been scanned at a Schengen border check. Only place where I only have to show my passport is coming into Dublin.

Gamer Bhoy 89 · 12-03-2020 11:50AM

Nothing changed. I have always carried a small tube of hand sanitiser and I always wash my hands regularly. I also never make physical contact with anyone in public and I do not surround myself with groups of people, nor do I go out drinking.

But god the amount of eyes I get when I do something as innocent as cough (even with my mouth covered)

_Brian · 12-03-2020 11:54AM

We’re habitual food hoarders here at home anyway so no need for change.

Probably 6-8 bags of flour, few kg of pasta and rice. Literally half a pig in the freezer and plenty of beef. Maybe 2-3 chickens. It’s not even conscious it’s just always there.

My wife lived for a long time with her aunt who lived through rationing in the U.K. she would have her house stuffed with food even though she wasn’t married.
Literally crates of tinned food under the beds, shows the effect it had on people. I think my wife picked it up from living with her.

My wife works in a hospital frontline with patients, she showers now every evening immediately from work.

jimgoose · 12-03-2020 11:56AM

I've recruited a magnificent army of half-life War Boys, who will ride with me eternal on the highways of Valhalla! I AM YOUR REDEEMER! It is by my hand you will rise from the ashes of this world!

corner of hells · 12-03-2020 12:09PM

jimgoose wrote: »

I've recruited a magnificent army of half-life War Boys, who will ride with me eternal on the highways of Valhalla! I AM YOUR REDEEMER! It is by my hand you will rise from the ashes of this world!

If I join your angry mob , will you provide lunch or do I bring my own ?

jimgoose · 12-03-2020 12:11PM

corner of hells wrote: »

If I join your angry mob , will you provide lunch or do I bring my own ?

By your deeds shall you honour me. V8!

bob mcbob · 12-03-2020 12:17PM

And taking early intense action, we have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe.

To put this in perspective, here are the latest figures on the level of testing each country has performed against their population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

UK - 26K for a population of 67M
France - 12K for a population of 65M
USA - 9K for a population of 330M

If you do not test your population then of course you are not going to find cases.

Auguste Comte · 12-03-2020 12:24PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Real leadership.

Oh he's at the sharp end all right.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday night spun a web of theories minimizing the coronavirus' threat to Americans, accusing the World Health Organization of dispensing inaccurate facts about the outbreak and suggesting that those with the disease could be safe going to work

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev · 12-03-2020 01:00PM

Thread Title wrote:

Trump cancels flights from/to US from EU Schengen Zone

So what about non-EU parts of the Schengen zone? ie, Iceland, Norway.

Raconteuse · 12-03-2020 01:15PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

How many people that are outraged at Trumps ban were also calling for flights to Ireland from Italy To be cancelled?

I think this too.

I am not a fan of Trump but if Obama did this, not a bother.

There seems to be a level of "Trump said/did something, therefore it's bad".

whisky_galore · 12-03-2020 01:18PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

"a foreign virus"

Amazing.

Make American viruses great again.

ohnonotgmail · 12-03-2020 01:18PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

I think this too.

I am not a fan of Trump but if Obama did this, not a bother.

There seems to be a level of "Trump said/did something, therefore it's bad".

if he has introduced a blanket ban on european fligths we wouldn't be having this discussion but he didn't. he excluded the UK and ireland for some reason (nothing to do with having golf courses in those countries i'm sure)

whisky_galore · 12-03-2020 01:27PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if he has introduced a blanket ban on european fligths we wouldn't be having this discussion but he didn't. he excluded the UK and ireland for some reason (nothing to do with having golf courses in those countries i'm sure)

The UK and ourselves are Anglophone, the rest speak foreign gobbledygook.

Widdershins · 12-03-2020 01:37PM

I ensure I have gloves in my bag and from tiday, a pen, so I dont have to use pens left out for customers and you can use the other end to scribble a signature on couriers electronic pads.. I'm working on a disinfectant wipe recipe and I have a mini wetbag to keep them in, as I refuse to use the eco unfriendly ones. Im reluctant to buy alcohol rub as it's not kind to skin and my hands are very delicate from work. I wash my hands after opening my post. I might order some face masks.

pjdarcy · 12-03-2020 01:39PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

I think this too.

I am not a fan of Trump but if Obama did this, not a bother.

There seems to be a level of "Trump said/did something, therefore it's bad".

It usually is bad though so that's understandable

con___manx1 · 12-03-2020 01:44PM

i shower in work and dont eat in the canteen. im not getting any takeaways either. if i go to the pud i only drink whiskey.

rossie1977 · 12-03-2020 01:47PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

I think this too.

I am not a fan of Trump but if Obama did this, not a bother.

There seems to be a level of "Trump said/did something, therefore it's bad".

Obama wouldn't have claimed it was a Republican hoax two weeks ago or told people go to work with the virus and the US would get cases down to zero in quick time.

Trump and his teams response has been pathetic hence why people are blaming him. The stock market has dropped 25% in like a week so wallstreet think his response is terrible.

stoneill · 12-03-2020 01:50PM

Last panic was Brennan's bread, this panic it's toilet paper, what will it be for next panic? Paperclips?

Seamai · 12-03-2020 01:52PM

I've stopped popping to to local shop for a sandwich at lunch time when at work, bring in my own. I was thinking that contactless bank debit cards were going to be useful in a situation like this but I'm sick of shop assistant taking it off me and over to their reader.

Cuddlesworth · 12-03-2020 02:04PM

Bloke in front of me had two trolleys of food, including 20 carrot cakes. I'm trying to get my head around how long it takes to go through 20 carrot cakes, even in a place that likes them.

Ironicname · 12-03-2020 02:04PM

rossie1977 wrote:

Trump and his teams response has been pathetic hence why people are blaming him. The stock market has dropped 25% in like a week so wallstreet think his response is terrible.

A stock market drop during an unprecedented global pandemic is hardly trumps fault.

Jesus.

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