Galway COVID-19, local news and discussion

Whereisgalway · 09-03-2020 11:52pm

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Difficult to carry soap and water around with you or have it at your desk at work etc for regular disinfecting everything you arrive back etc.

Also alcohol will kill the virus of that there is no doubt, you don’t see soap and water being used for disinfecting you see alcohol.

Surgeons use soap and water
All workplaces even building sites have access to running water

Arghus · 10-03-2020 2:02am

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Surgeons use soap and water
All workplaces even building sites have access to running water

Nope. I've worked in places that did not have access to running water.

ArtyC · 10-03-2020 8:49am

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Surgeons use soap and water
All workplaces even building sites have access to running water

I’ve always carried anti bac , definitely soap and water but I deal with the public & money ... can’t be running off to wash my hands every min.

rambunctious1 · 10-03-2020 9:33am

Soap is effective because it destroys the virus's fat membrane and it basically falls apart. This is why washing with soap is the recommended solution. For most people, in most situations, this is the recommended method of keeping the virus at bay. Go mad with the hand sanitiser all you like but wash your hands as often as you can.

Also, someone might post the following gif. Illustrates why we should try and stop the spread as quickly as possible and why "it'll be grand" will endanger us all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019#/media/File:Covid-19-curves-graphic-social-v3.gif

Zzippy · 10-03-2020 11:24am

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Surgeons use soap and water
All workplaces even building sites have access to running water

You do realise a lot of people work outdoors, right? Some even work in - get this - remote locations!

10-03-2020 11:34am

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Surgeons use soap and water
All workplaces even building sites have access to running water

Not all places have but even if they do I don't have a sink at my desk, I have to handle doors, my swipe cards, light switches etc etc on my way to my desk so when I get there I would like to have hand sanitiser to disinfect. I can't get any though as its all sold out.

Also alcohol is one of the oldest and most widely used disinfectants so you surely aren't trying to claim it doesn't work?

cal naughton · 10-03-2020 11:40am

Zzippy wrote: »

You do realise a lot of people work outdoors, right? Some even work in - get this - remote locations!

What is to stop anyone bringing a water bottle to a remote location?

Kingp35 · 10-03-2020 11:41am

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Also alcohol is one of the oldest and most widely used disinfectants so you surely aren't trying to claim it doesn't work?

A bottle of vodka doesn't work. 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol does.

However as already stated, soap is by far the most effective.

timmyntc · 10-03-2020 11:42am

Zzippy wrote: »

You do realise a lot of people work outdoors, right? Some even work in - get this - remote locations!

Who are you going to contract the virus from in a remote location?

10-03-2020 11:49am

Kingp35 wrote: »

A bottle of vodka doesn't work. 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol does.

However as already stated, soap is by far the most effective.

I didn't think it was necessary to point out alcohol was in reference to very high purity disinfectant grade alcohol not to drinking alcohol.

Though if you have absintine or poitin lying around it would be strong enough, best kept for drinking though.

A few people appear to have a real issue with using alcohol and hand sanitisers as a disinfectant its bizarre, it's bordering on an agenda against them. Must be a lot of shareholders in soap companies around here....

Zzippy · 10-03-2020 11:58am

timmyntc wrote: »

Who are you going to contract the virus from in a remote location?

Farmers you are meeting in said remote locations. Foresters. Other people you may have to work with. You may want to disinfect after handling equipment other people have handled. And there are other bugs that are dangerous to workers - Leptospirosis, Giardia, Cryptosporidium to name a few.

The point was that not all workplaces have access to running water. There are workplaces in the city centre without access to running water.

pure.conya · 10-03-2020 11:59am

biko wrote: »

Hopefully the parents will manage to keep them somewhat isolated. And with computers etc these days I'm sure the kids won't mind staying home.

lol

Kingp35 · 10-03-2020 11:59am

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

A few people appear to have a real issue with using alcohol and hand sanitisers as a disinfectant its bizarre, it's bordering on an agenda against them. Must be a lot of shareholders in soap companies around here....

Seriously, it's blatantly obvious why people are telling you to use soap over hand sanitiser - because soap is more effective.

There's no agenda, it's good advice and you should follow it where possible.

pure.conya · 10-03-2020 12:01pm

Ficheall wrote: »

What on earth makes you think this?

because, for the most part, the general public are thick as ****

pure.conya · 10-03-2020 12:02pm

beardybrewer wrote: »

Seems parades are dropping like flies today. Cork and now Dublin cancelling.

Would anyone go even if it was on?

yeah a lot most certainly would

pure.conya · 10-03-2020 12:04pm

inisboffin wrote: »

(IF it's true) I'm confused why people would insist certain kids be quarantined (that class that came in contact with someone) yet their siblings could come to school. So far we see (thankfully!) that kids get less sick from it but also seem to be asymptomatic carriers.
Surely if your sister is home playing with you and sick, it follows that you should stay home too? Kids are lovely little germ factories, as those who work with them a lot know.
Genuine question. I don't see the logic in selective isolation. Perhaps it is limiting but to me it is actually prolonging?

anybody stpuid enough to isolate one child and still send their other kids to school really shouldn't be parents

pure.conya · 10-03-2020 12:06pm

youngrun wrote: »

Totally disagree

The whole thing is blown out of proportion

What about the flu 44 dead this winter

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2020/0116/1107907-flu-hse-winter-season/

Why is flu jab not madatory why no outcry

How many dead this winter from driving. Ban cars and solve the traffic

May as well lock oneself away and wither away . isolating and cutting people off only leads to more issues depression mental health etc

Panic by media and government

so you remember the last time tens of millions were forced into quarantine in cities in China, or the last time the whole of Italy was quarantined? this virus is only just getting started

Whereisgalway · 10-03-2020 12:08pm

What has this thread got to do with GALWAY CITY?

10-03-2020 12:13pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

Seriously, it's blatantly obvious why people are telling you to use soap over hand sanitiser - because soap is more effective.

There's no agenda, it's good advice and you should follow it where possible.

Why are people assuming its one or the other. Regular hand washing in combination with the use of hand sanitiser is the best of all as for a number of reasons pointed out there are periods of time or places where you can't wash your hands but you can continue to disinfect using alcohol disinfectant hand gels etc.

Do you think that hand sanitiser etc is placed around hospitals for many years now just for fun? Ever see nurses and doctors walking around a hospital, constantly using alcohol hand sanitisers. But sure it's all a hoax according to a few "experts" here.

what_traffic · 10-03-2020 12:13pm

Whereisgalway wrote: »

What has this thread got to do with GALWAY CITY?

One for the MOD who started the thread I reckon.

pure.conya · 10-03-2020 12:20pm

Whereisgalway wrote: »

What has this thread got to do with GALWAY CITY?

this is one time multiple similar threads are allowed across various sections and not just simply moved (buried) in the middle of another thread so as to bury the conversation and the message

Kingp35 · 10-03-2020 12:52pm

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

But sure it's all a hoax according to a few "experts" here.

Yet again, utterly ridiculous hyperbole from you. Can you not post without this rubbish?

I'll repeat, use soap and water where available as it is more effective than hand sanitiser. That is a fact. The advice could not be more simple.

There are countless articles online showing hand sanitiser is not as effective as soap and does not kill all germs. Here's one for example:

https://www.livescience.com/hand-sanitizer.html

-Vega- · 10-03-2020 3:22pm

Hello folks,

I feel a lot of people will have this inquiry over the coming weeks so didn't seem right to bury it in the 'LF X in Galway section'.

For anyone interested..the Briarhill pharmacy has had some stocks come in and out over the last few days with more maybe coming friday. Applegreen also has 99% bacterial wipes on the counter.

In the mean time, has anyone got an source for me? Thanks

inisboffin · 10-03-2020 3:26pm

-Vega- wrote: »

Hello folks,

I feel a lot of people will have this inquiry over the coming weeks so didn't seem right to bury it in the 'LF X in Galway section'.

For anyone interested..the Briarhill pharmacy has had some stocks come in and out over the last few days with more maybe coming friday. Applegreen also has 99% bacterial wipes on the counter.

In the mean time, has anyone got an source for me? Thanks

Thanks for the post. Just to ask people not to grab more than you need! If you have access to soap and water it is safer. I've one bottle and I use it only when I can't wash. But I've friends who can't get to a sink as often, handle money frequently etc, and they will go through it faster.

Ficheall · 10-03-2020 3:36pm

Doesn't nox have a notorious aversion to soap full stop?
The advice from the medical profession in general is to use soap and water where possible, as this washes the sebum, to which the virus sticks, off your hands and down the sink. Santizers kill the virus if the alcohol content is high enough and it does not evaporate before it has had a chance to do its job.

Sanitizers should be used to tide you over until you can wash your hands again, not as a first choice.

pure.conya wrote: »

because, for the most part, the general public are thick as ****

For sure. But empirically, all other things being equal, one could reason that the people advising precautions with regards to the coronavirus are not as thick as their counterparts with their heads in the sand, and are therefore less likely to attend the parade.

Whereisgalway wrote: »

What has this thread got to do with GALWAY CITY?

Presumably the concern is that you can catch it and die in Galway City. Some people might browse this thread that are not particularly clued-in to the news. When cases start popping up here, people might want to get local info without having to wade through the ton of crap in, for example, the general thread in the CA forum. Eg., I don't care overmuch about Iranian politicians getting the virus, but I would like to know about the situation in UCHG or suspected cases in NUIG, for example.
I don't see how having information posted in multiple locations could possibly be a bad thing, but perhaps you have a reason for rating pedantry points more highly than people's health?

_Whimsical_ · 10-03-2020 3:38pm

I think think this thread is a good idea.

We don't need the squabbling if we stick to the hygeine advice given by the CDC, but for hearing local news and local availability of helpful products, or as time goes on what local services are and aren't working, it'll be very useful.

It's a time where a community is an invaluable resource so that information can be shared. We're mostly adults, should be reasonable to expect we can manage that and if we can it could be great.

On that note...
Anyone seen isopropyl alcohol for sale?

Wompa1 · 10-03-2020 3:48pm

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Why are people assuming its one or the other. Regular hand washing in combination with the use of hand sanitiser is the best of all as for a number of reasons pointed out there are periods of time or places where you can't wash your hands but you can continue to disinfect using alcohol disinfectant hand gels etc.

Do you think that hand sanitiser etc is placed around hospitals for many years now just for fun? Ever see nurses and doctors walking around a hospital, constantly using alcohol hand sanitisers. But sure it's all a hoax according to a few "experts" here.

I work in a hospital. During orientation, you are taught that Hot water and soap are more effective than sanitizer. The sanitizer is typically by waiting rooms, maternity wards, nurse stations etc. All also have wash stations with the Oncology department, Operating Theatres and high risk areas having mandatory wash stations. Where I work, the oncology department requires washing your hands up to your elbows with soap and water for over 3 minutes (there's a sand timer at the station). Just using sanitizer is not acceptable.

The reason sanitizer is used often is as a supplement for quick action, it's not to replace proper scrubbing.

The best is not a combination, it would be to wash your hands with soap and water regularly. It's just that sinks and wash stations take up a lot of space and sometimes people don't have time to stop for 2 minutes to wash their hands.

_Whimsical_ · 10-03-2020 4:17pm

Please everyone follow CDC and WHO guidelines and not just people online as regards washing advice.

We have 250 ICU beds in this country, to share between everyone who has a car crash, heart attack, virus etc. That's 1/4 EU average. We are going to be looking at medical staff requiring self isolation so can expect low staffing at times. The truth is we are in a particularly bad position to ride this out well.

Don't just think of yourself, everyday you're surrounded by elderly people, people recovering from cancer who have almost no immunity and people with compromised immunity for other reasons.
They're everywhere.

Do the best thing by everyone. We have to care for own health but we also have to save each other in order to save ourselves here too, so that we don't have clogged up beds & will have some hospital capacity to give us emergency care if we need it. We need a full community effort.

Whereisgalway · 10-03-2020 5:55pm

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I think think this thread is a good idea.

We don't need the squabbling if we stick to the hygeine advice given by the CDC, but for hearing local news and local availability of helpful products, or as time goes on what local services are and aren't working, it'll be very useful.

It's a time where a community is an invaluable resource so that information can be shared. We're mostly adults, should be reasonable to expect we can manage that and if we can it could be great.
?

This should be pinned at the top of the thread

beardybrewer · 10-03-2020 6:03pm

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Anyone seen isopropyl alcohol for sale?

Try the eurogiant on eglinton. Also try Asiatic Manila on abbeygate. Both behind the counter.

connemara man · 10-03-2020 6:43pm

Hand sanitizer thread moved here.

Keeping all the Covid info together

Wompa1 · 10-03-2020 6:48pm

I wonder if the oral hearing for the ring road is going to get postponed. Another delay seems inevitable.

10-03-2020 7:19pm

Wompa1 wrote: »

I wonder if the oral hearing for the ring road is going to get postponed. Another delay seems inevitable.

Can’t see why it would be it’s not a big gathering of people.

Wompa1 · 10-03-2020 7:29pm

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Can’t see why it would be it’s not a big gathering of people.

Because there's another 2 weeks left of it to run and with current projections we'll be in the delay phase before it's set to finish.

10-03-2020 7:39pm

Wompa1 wrote: »

Because there's another 2 weeks left of it to run and with current projections we'll be in the delay phase before it's set to finish.

Why are we taking about cancelling small gatherings and the Uk aren’t even considering large evenings with 10’s of thousands of people.

If something like the ring road hearing gets cancelled then surly all workplaces will also have to be closed, churches closed etc.

_Whimsical_ · 10-03-2020 7:49pm

connemara man wrote: »

Hand sanitizer thread moved here.

Keeping all the Covid info together

Surely a separate thread for resources like where to source important things and closures etc would be useful?

I'm not sure why we need a generalised squabbling thread, there are several on boards already, but a sticked useful thread we could update would be handy.

Whereisgalway · 10-03-2020 9:08pm

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Surely a separate thread for resources like where to source important things and closures etc would be useful?

I'm not sure why we need a generalised squabbling thread, there are several on boards already, but a sticked useful thread we could update would be handy.

Seperate thread was handy alrite,
the misinformation and squabbling is unreal, considering there’s a main thread on this virus already why There’s a duplicate in the Galway city forum is baffling

JCX BXC · 10-03-2020 9:20pm

No thread will ever be useful if the incessant b*tching about how the threads should be organised stops!

McGiver · 10-03-2020 11:44pm

Jaelyn High Slipknot wrote:

Why are we taking about cancelling small gatherings and the Uk arenâ€™t even considering large evenings with 10â€™s of thousands of people.

Why?

Italy:
26 Feb - 78 cases
10 Mar - 8,500 cases (650 dead)

In just 2 weeks.

Czechia and Spain have just closed all schools. Czechia has just 35 cases and they have also banned gatherings larger than 100 people, both public and private including soccer matches, concerts, parties etc. Given the dynamics seen in Italy it's the right thing to do.
Ireland has now 30 cases and if early lock-down doesn't happen we'll see thousands of cases in 2-3 weeks time and ICU capacity fully exhausted.

_Whimsical_ · 11-03-2020 12:32am

McGiver wrote: »

Why?

Italy:
26 Feb - 78 cases
10 Mar - 8,500 cases (650 dead)

Yikes, so much for 2% death rate.

Storm 10 · 11-03-2020 1:11am

Italy has the largest Chinese population in Europe outside of China, they also have the oldest population in Europe which probaly explains the problems they have. When the first case was diagnosed the patient had already infected lots of other people including health staff in the Hospital he went to and they in turn infected family and friends they did not know at that time what they were dealing with it was doing the rounds for a few weeks before it was realised what they were dealing with but it was too late.

Mrs OBumble · 11-03-2020 2:15am

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yikes, so much for 2% death rate.

Testing rate affects this. Korea has a low death rate cos they're testing lots. We aren't.

biko · 11-03-2020 11:17am

Taiwan have been on the ball since New year, and thus have only 40 something cases and 1 death.

Learning from SARS, Taiwan also quickly implemented health checks on passengers from Wuhan in early January, well before it was understood that the virus could pass between humans.

Shows it is better to "over-" react early instead of dragging things out like in Europe.

I have created my own hand sanitiser from isopropyl alcohol mixed with aloe vera gel. I can use that when I can't get away to wash my hands, like walking around town and touching door handles etc.
Still working on proportions, now it's crazy strong, maybe 90%

Mrs OBumble · 11-03-2020 11:26am

biko wrote: »

Taiwan have been on the ball since New year, and thus have only 40 something cases and 1 death.

Shows it is better to "over-" react early instead of dragging things out like in Europe.

Maybe. Their people are still not immune. Their economy has been affected fot two months longer.

Wompa1 · 11-03-2020 11:36am

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Why are we taking about cancelling small gatherings and the Uk aren’t even considering large evenings with 10’s of thousands of people.

If something like the ring road hearing gets cancelled then surly all workplaces will also have to be closed, churches closed etc.

The UK also voted to leave the EU. Johnson was on morning television suggesting just letting the virus spread as a potential strategy.

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Declan Varley actually made the same point as me and shared that the hearing is pretty full today.

If you want to compare to other countries. France was banning any events with more than 5k people last week, lowered it to 1k people this week. This is all while still in the containment phase. The delay phase means stopping all unnecessary public events. Italy and Madrid are already there. Parts of China were already there.

Harris stated they will be reassessing public events on Friday. If they follow others, they'll likely suggest stopping events with more than 1k people as the next step and then we get to delay phase. If reports are to be believed, schools could be closing sooner rather than later.

youngrun · 11-03-2020 11:52am

Wompa1 wrote: »

The UK also voted to leave the EU. Johnson was on morning television suggesting just letting the virus spread as a potential strategy.

Declan Varley actually made the same point as me and shared that the hearing is pretty full today.

If you want to compare to other countries. France was banning any events with more than 5k people last week, lowered it to 1k people this week. This is all while still in the containment phase. The delay phase means stopping all unnecessary public events. Italy and Madrid are already there. Parts of China were already there.

Harris stated they will be reassessing public events on Friday. If they follow others, they'll likely suggest stopping events with more than 1k people as the next step and then we get to delay phase. If reports are to be believed, schools could be closing sooner rather than later.

Complete madness has taken hold . Where will it all end. Extended closures at schools, work,businesses and events can only mean massive economic recession , abject misery for the population and severe general health and social issues. Who wants to be stuck at home under effective house arrest which is the next scenario for the general population, To what end given the low risk ?

timmyntc · 11-03-2020 11:54am

youngrun wrote: »

Complete madness has taken hold . Where will it all end. Extended closures at schools, work,businesses and events can only mean massive economic recession , abject misery for the population and severe general health and social issues. Who wants to be stuck at home under effective house arrest which is the next scenario for the general population, To what end given the low risk ?

It's only low risk IF all these measures are taken (Closures, restrictions, social distancing etc.)
If they aren't, there is a very high risk as the majority of the country will contract the virus in the end.

MadYaker · 11-03-2020 12:12pm

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Why are we taking about cancelling small gatherings and the Uk aren’t even considering large evenings with 10’s of thousands of people.

If something like the ring road hearing gets cancelled then surly all workplaces will also have to be closed, churches closed etc.

By next week pubs restaurants etc will be closed. I suspect they’ll announce school closures this week. The uk aren’t restricting large outdoor events yet but they will soon. Their government are asleep at the wheel.

cr-07 · 11-03-2020 12:42pm

My wedding is in Galway on the 27th of March, what do people think the chances of this being cancelled by the hotel, HSE, etc are?

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 1:14pm

Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »

Difficult to carry soap and water around with you or have it at your desk at work etc for regular disinfecting everything you arrive back etc.

Also alcohol will kill the virus of that there is no doubt, you don’t see soap and water being used for disinfecting you see alcohol.

If you are out of reach of soap and water, wear thin rubber gloves, avoid touching your face then peel them off from the bottom and discard

Soap and water does the job. Ask HSE!

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