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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #3092
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Spain at +285 so far today, the Liverpool Athletico Madrid game needs to be played behind closed doors.

    Madrid is the worst affected region.


  • #3093
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    donalh087 wrote: »
    There are so many things I don't understand about the virus.

    There have been 2 cases diagnosed in Cork. Both from people with pre-existing conditions who were in hospital for a while (12 days in one case) before being diagnosed with Covid.

    The median time of incubation is 5 days. So anyone in contact with these people should already be showing symptoms.

    Why is there not a huge cluster in Cork?

    There could well be, but won't be detected for some weeks....


  • #3094
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Gloves, wear gloves if you are going out and about, pushing shopping trollies, entering and exiting push doors and so on. You won't look silly as it's basically winter ;)

    Irish people wont wear masks or gloves, it's not in our nature. It's like the tommy tiernan joke about you could be in an irish pub with a fireworks factory on one side and a young offenders centre on the other side with the fire alarm going off and you will hear is "is that your phone"


  • #3095
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    This is bad .... cannot see an end to this


  • #3096
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    amadangomor wrote: »
    The reason I'm saying not to respond is because you are stubbornly sticking to you view when people have presented evidence issued by the health minister and the HSE to the contrary. As much as I like an aul argument i also recognize when having one is a complete waste of time :)

    Ans all I'm doing is saying that the Government has told us to get on with our usual lives, I think if we were all at risk of getting this or there was a major concern here they wouldn't be saying this?


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  • #3097
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    amadangomor wrote: »
    The Korea situation has been discussed on here but other European countries situations are far more relevant to us as we have similar systems of government/way of responding.

    Nothing to do with being good or bad news stories, just more relevant to us!

    Why are the good Korean figures not being highlighted , only when they are bad are they reported- Sorry for posting something positive.


  • #3098
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    It looks like the market rather than the government will end flights from Italy.

    Sure dont they leave the market to make all their decisions


  • #3099
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Those flights from Milan are probably empty or close to it.

    I'd be more worried about flights from the US at this stage

    Just checked.

    There are 2 Ryanair flights tomorrow from Milan Bergamo to Dublin airport alone. For one flight there are 4 seats remaining at a certain price. For the second flight there is only 1 seat remaining at a certain price. Now I know that doesn't indicate how full the flights are but still there seems to be demand.

    And that's just Milan to Dublin alone. There seems to be about 50 other Ryanair flights from Milan to different airports in Europe, all still in operation.

    If you are looking for clues why this is spreading so fast from Italy to the rest of Europe, you don't have to look far.


  • #3100
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    Chiparus wrote: »
    No we are not, those are older flawed figures usingPPP, ( ie the figure is inflated because things are cheaper in Ireland:rolleyes:) 4706X4.9 million is € 23 billion

    Public spending is 16 billion, about average
    https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/ireland-country-health-profile-2019_2393fd0a-en#page9




    Incorrect. Your figure is only the amount of health expenditure funded directly from taxation (73% from the link you have posted). On top of that is "out-of pocket" expenditure (including payment for GP visits, 12%) and expenditure covered by private insurance (13%).


  • #3101
    donalh087
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭donalh087


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    There could well be, but won't be detected for some weeks....

    How come? The median time for symptoms is 5 days.

    These cases have been live for weeks.


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  • #3102
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    MadYaker wrote: »
    They're going to announce more tonight obviously so its clear there's more than 22 the question is how many.

    Thats like David McWilliams calling the economic crash, bound to get it right as long as he keeps saying its going to happen this year, next year etc


  • #3103
    ZiabR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Breaking news on BBC. First case just confirmed in Cheltenham this morning as 1000s of Irish are due to land for the racing... Beyond a joke at this stage.


  • #3104
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Just checked.

    There are 2 Ryanair flights tomorrow from Milan Bergamo to Dublin airport alone. For one flight there are 4 seats remaining at a certain price. For the second flight there is only 1 seat remaining at a certain price. Now I know that doesn't indicate how full the flights are but still there seems to be demand.

    And that's just Milan to Dublin alone. There seems to be about 50 other Ryanair flights from Milan to different airports in Europe, all still in operation.

    If you are looking for clues why this is spreading so fast from Italy to the rest of Europe, you don't have to look far.

    Ryaniar couldn't care less, it took a while but at last AerLingus pulled their flights.

    Ryanair it's just the profit margin that they care for


  • #3105
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    thebaz wrote: »
    South Korean new cases down to 165 - this is more good news, and yet not reported amidst the panic headlines.

    I believe the statistics from South Korea will be the most acccurate as they are doing most testing.
    I admit that the West will not be able to set the standards of South Korea, for various social, economic and infrastructure reasons.

    But surely we should have some balance in media reports instead of drip feed panic inducing headlines.

    South Korea are throwing every possible containment, testing and mitigation measure a democracy has to hand at reducing the spread and ensuring the virus is contained.

    Yes the numbers dropping there are a good news story.
    Unless however similar measures are implemented in Europe, S.K is that outlier that merely demonstrates what we "could" have done.


  • #3106
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,395 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Cw85 wrote: »
    Ans all I'm doing is saying that the Government has told us to get on with our usual lives, I think if we were all at risk of getting this or there was a major concern here they wouldn't be saying this?

    It depends, are you talking about today, tomorrow, next week or next month?

    A week ago they were saying there was a low risk of transmission in Ireland.

    Now the Minister for Health saying moderate-to-high risk of an oubreak like Italy.

    Come back in a week... what do you think they'll be saying and how far behind the curve will they be when they tell you?

    It is a major concern, and their models and models from other EU countries show potential 20%-40% of the population infected.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3107
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    thebaz wrote: »
    Why are the good Korean figures not being highlighted , only when they are bad are they reported- Sorry for posting something positive.

    Seriously, WTF do we have in common with Korea? We both like BBQs that's about it.

    They are using an army of trucks to disinfect the streets.
    We'll be using tractors. (which will probably be just as effective)

    Should probably add religious cults spreading ****e.


  • #3108
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Probably similar questions been asked a million times, but Girlfiend and her Sister had a personal trip over to London booked (before the Coronavirus became a thing) for first weekend of April.

    Work are saying now if she goes she'll have to take two weeks unpaid leave off after.

    Are they within their remit to do this? Bearing in mind if she cancels now she'll be out for pocket for flights, accommodation and theater tickets.

    Small crux in it is that she's currently on her notice period at the moment (finishing up the end of April)

    Thank you


    Tell her to contact citizens advice - I did read that if a company insists a worker takes time off due to sickness that they have to pay that person. As opposed to someone themselves making that decision to absent themselves from work.
    *I may be wrong on this which is why she should contact citizens advice.


  • #3109
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Thats a good question

    Thats my point! :-)


  • #3110
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    quokula wrote: »
    I'd imagine they are people who value facts and evidence over just making up your own numbers if the real numbers don't suitably satisfy your lust for disaster.

    Could you please explain your reasoning as to why Ireland's infection rate and pattern, would differ from that of the US, France, Germany, Italy and presumably Iran? Luck of the Irish? Oh, wait...


  • #3111
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    234 beds short in Irish hospitals today


    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

    .


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  • #3112
    New Home
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    Utter Consternation wrote: »
    Derp de derp de derp

    Screen-Shot-2014-02-01-at-19.29.33.jpg

    No, Ruprecht.... DOWN RUPRECHT, DOWN!!
    Cw85 wrote: »
    The outbreak happened months ago, we have 22 cases, people talking bull saying there's more that this etc etc numbers have gone up very slow in Ireland compared to other countries, you think the government would be telling us to get on with things if it was more serious here? Too many tin foil hats going around you'd swear it was the end of the world

    Spot the person who's never played Minesweeper in his/her life. :rolleyes:


  • #3113
    [Deleted User]
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    Average life expectancy looks to be about to take a big hit. Hopefully not permanently


  • #3114
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    The economist on the radio repeated that markets are crashing because they are overpriced and have been for some time.
    For example, extrememly low growth in Germany for a year and the DAX was hitting all time records.
    The virus was the trigger but everyone was expecting a downturn this year.
    Another example, the Dow Jones still hasn't gone back to June 2019 levels.


  • #3115
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    donalh087 wrote: »
    How come? The median time for symptoms is 5 days.

    These cases have been live for weeks.

    Isn't the testing regime here limited to people who have symptoms and have either been to a hot zone recently or have had contact with a known case. Unless that has changed then anyone with mild symptoms or who is asymptomatic won't be tested and so won't be picked up. The community transmission cases identified yesterday would indicate there are an unknown number of infected people out there.


  • #3116
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    Thats like David McWilliams calling the economic crash, bound to get it right as long as he keeps saying its going to happen this year, next year etc

    What you need to track in that case is the increase in the number of people calling the crash. 1 or 2 in 2004 (2016), 3 or 4 in 2005 (2017), few dozen in 2006 (2018) growing to 100s in 2007 (2019) and 1000s in 2008 (now 2020).

    The difference here is, coronavirus is a completely different crisis (which happened to trigger a recession that was coming anyway)


  • #3117
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Seriously, WTF do we have in common with Korea? We both like BBQs that's about it.

    They are using an army of trucks to disinfect the streets.
    We'll be using tractors. (which will probably be just as effective)

    Should probably add religious cults spreading ****e.

    Cabbage, Koreans like it fermented, we like it boiled to within an inch of it's life.


  • #3118
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    This is bad .... cannot see an end to this

    When a successful vaccine is developed...then


  • #3119
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    Thats like David McWilliams calling the economic crash, bound to get it right as long as he keeps saying its going to happen this year, next year etc

    True. I say Wednesday will be the day that people begin to take seriously. Tests will be concluded and the finger in the damn approach will be pointless.


  • #3120
    autumnbelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭autumnbelle


    No cases confirmed outside Wuhan in China today


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  • #3121
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Cw85 wrote: »
    Ans all I'm doing is saying that the Government has told us to get on with our usual lives, I think if we were all at risk of getting this or there was a major concern here they wouldn't be saying this?

    They are balancing the needs of the economy to keep functioning vs taking action that would slow down the spread. It looks to me like they are getting the balance wrong and going for economy vs peoples welfare. It's short sighted as the economy will suffer more in the long term.

    If the Italian government could go back to 3 weeks ago I guarantee they would lockdown Northern Italy and do what it took to limit the spread. We are not learning from their mistakes and it is hell over there now.


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