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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Praise China time, the people who caused it all. How on earth the rest of the planet is not seeking damages from them I'll never know. They've cost the world trillions, and have caused the deaths of 1000's of innocent people.

    Give over would you? Can we sue America for the global obesity epidemic thanks to McDonald’s or cancer from smoking since most big tobacco is from there?

    You’re being ridiculous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    I'm also hearing the jingles of sleep time. Unfortunately, not all of us can be on boards victim blaming 24/7 or posting funny pics(it
    Would be great to have the free time). Some of us have to be on the frontline tomorrow. It's crucial work. Toodles.

    Fair Play.
    I used to have to get up for work on Monday mornings too.
    Now, I just work the system. Bliss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Runaways wrote: »
    Australian media have been outrageous stirring the pot. Literally creating hysteria.
    This is unusually sensible from them.

    Media coverage has been mostly disgraceful for the last few weeks. They've nearly always sided on the side of hysteria and panic.

    Irish media coverage has been largely responsible (until today and that crazy talk of 2m Irish people contracting the virus in the next few weeks).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-days-leading-up-to-the-outbreak-at-life-care-center-in-kirkland
    It was odd, the firefighters thought, how many calls were coming from the Life Care nursing facility in Kirkland.

    The day before, Thursday, February 27, had been especially bad. Five separate calls for respiratory distress or fever. After several calls, the firefighters masked up -- they believed something worrisome was spreading, maybe a bad flu.

    But it wasn’t the flu. Through the chain of command, firefighters learned that management at Life Care said a resident and a health worker had been tested the week before for coronavirus, or COVID-19, a virus that had been especially cruel to the elderly and infirm.

    Evan Hurley, a 9-year veteran with Kirkland Fire and a union trustee, said a firefighter relayed this story: On Friday, February 28, the firefighter arrived at Life Care, walked in, and saw a charge nurse in just her scrubs. No mask, no protective gown.

    “Hey, you guys are supposed to be in self-quarantine,” the firefighter said.

    “No, we’re not,” the nurse replied.

    “Well, our chain of command talked to your management, and they say something different.”

    The nurse insisted; she hadn’t heard anything, she said.

    The firefighter looked down the hall and saw two caregivers in scrubs -- no mask or gown.

    “What the hell?” the firefighter thought. “Who is not telling you that you have two suspected coronavirus cases?”

    Later the nurse and firefighters would learn that it was more than just two suspected cases: Two people from Life Care had died the week before from coronavirus. Eight more who had spent time at Life Care would die in the following week.

    At 10 that night, the firefighters heard from their captain.

    “You’re shut down,” the captain said. The first coronavirus death had been reported, and the firefighters had been exposed, as had many from across the department.

    In total, 31 firefighters and 3 police officers would ultimately be quarantined or isolated. As of this writing, 18 are showing symptoms

    The next morning, Saturday, February 29, Gov. Jay Inslee announced a state of emergency and officials announced the first death in Washington state – and first in the U.S. – a man in his 50s with an underlying health condition. The man died at EvergreenHealth community hospital in Kirkland, a seven-minute drive from the Life Care facility.

    Officials also mentioned the two people from Life Care with coronavirus – a health worker and a resident.

    Hearing this news, Kevin Connolly and his wife, Jody, were shocked, he wrote on Facebook. Jody’s father was there, but Life Care had not called about a possible outbreak, he wrote.

    The Connollys called Life Care, where a receptionist “told us not to believe everything you hear on the news,” Connolly said on Facebook.

    Residents did not know they were living amid an outbreak, he said. Staff were given masks, but residents were not. For dinner that Saturday night, his father-in-law was given half a sweet potato.

    Unlike Connolly, Carmen Gray, whose mother is at Life Care, heard from the center on Saturday. Life Care would no longer receive visitors, Gray was told.

    Gray was nervous. She had visited Life Care almost daily, and recently twice with her 4-year-old granddaughter.

    “We go all over the facility,” Gray said. “She loves to go to the fish tank and one other resident she’s pretty fond of.”

    Gray knew that Life Care had many visitors the week leading up to news of the outbreak. “I saw visitors every day,” Gray said. “Pages and pages of people coming and going.”

    Gray’s mother was ill, too, although not gravely. She’d been coughing for three days, and had a runny nose. There were signs posted around the facility saying a respiratory virus was going around -- that it was not coronavirus.

    Sunday, March 1: A man, 70s, dies of presumptive coronavirus. Former resident of Life Care in Kirkland.

    A woman, 70s, dies of presumptive coronavirus. Former resident of Life Care in Kirkland.

    Monday, March 2: A woman, 70s, dies of presumptive coronavirus. Former resident of Life Care in Kirkland.

    As the deaths were announced, a KUOW journalist camped out at Life Care in Kirkland. The word from officials was that the facility was under quarantine, so she was surprised to see family members and employees entering the building and leaving, most in masks and protective gear, but others in just their street clothes.

    Officials had said 10 workers from the Centers for Disease Control were supposed to fly into Seattle, and beeline for Kirkland, but the journalist hadn’t seen them. Families said they hadn't seen them either. Calls to the governor's office, public health and the CDC, have not clarified whether anyone from the CDC has come to Seattle.

    The journalist photographed two people being taken from the facility that day. A third was transported out earlier that morning.

    An older person was wheeled out, oxygen mask strapped on, sitting up on a stretcher. The journalist photographed her in the blue hour of Monday as she faced out the back window of the ambulance.

    Tuesday, March 3: A woman, 90s, dies of presumptive coronavirus. Former resident of Life Care in Kirkland.

    On this day, Carmen Gray went to Life Care to deliver a care package for her mother: cough drops and a bowl of buttered popcorn. She walked to her mother’s window. Inside, a nurse held up her personal cell phone so that Gray could communicate with her mother.

    Gray and her sister returned to their car in the Life Center parking lot and took stock of the situation. A waste management truck had been there, which made them wonder if garbage collection should proceed as normal at a facility under quarantine.

    They had also seen four employees come out for their lunch breaks, wearing masks. Gray wondered if they were touching those masks, and then eating their lunch?

    n Wednesday, March 4, Jeffrey Duchin, a health officer with Public Health – Seattle and King County, told reporters to assume that everyone at the Life Care nursing home had been exposed to coronavirus.

    By Thursday, March 5, nine people from Life Care in Kirkland would be dead, of presumed coronavirus. Life Care residents would make up 21/33 of the confirmed coronavirus cases.

    Kevin Connolly took to Facebook again.

    “There has been another death overnight,” he wrote. “At 3:30 a.m. one amongst us was informed her mother had passed.

    “Seven hours later, around 10:30 a.m., that same person received a phone call from their Life Care Center assigned clinical representative and told her mother was doing great, no fever, showing no symptoms. When the family member told her she had been informed hours [earlier] that her mother had died, the representative simply replied that the chart must not have been updated!”

    Connolly wrote that his father-in-law Jerry had moved into a private room with a bed next to an eight-foot window. The room was empty because someone else had died, and had been deep cleaned before Connolly’s father-in-law moved in.

    The windows at Life Care were becoming an important connection for the residents to the outside world.

    Gene Campbell, a resident, would speak to his wife Dorothy through the window on Thursday. Husband and wife each held a phone as they looked at each other through the glass. Their son Charlie Campbell had flown up from Silver City, New Mexico, to drive his mother to this window.

    "At one point, she thought my dad was dead because she didn’t know where he was," Charlie Campbell said. "I thought it would be beneficial to bring her here so they could at least see each other. They miss each other very much. It’s kind of tough but it’s the best we can do at this point.”

    Several firefighters remain quarantined at Station 21. They developed symptoms, but none serious enough to be admitted to a hospital. So far, one has tested negative for coronavirus.

    At least two firefighters say they feel supported by the chain of command at Kirkland Fire. Bryan Vadney, the firefighters union president, says the department seems prepared. They have 10,095 masks - left over from stocking up after the outbreak of SARS, another respiratory virus - and eye protection.

    “They have gone above and beyond,” says Dick Hughes, a lieutenant with Kirkland Fire, currently in isolation.

    Evan Hurley says many members have looked back at the logs, curious to see if there were more calls than usual from Life Care in recent weeks.

    In January, firefighters responded seven times to the Life Care facility. In February, and the first five days of March, they responded 33 times.

    Firefighters are now grappling with the idea that coronavirus may have already been circulating at Life Care for weeks and that they, and Life Care workers, residents and visitors, had not been warned to take precautions, And that they may have inadvertently helped spread the virus farther.

    In the days leading up to last Friday, Life Care staff and first responders were using nebulizers and CPAP machines to treat patients. “We essentially aerosolized it,” one first responder said, because before last Friday, that was standard protocol to treat patients.

    “We made it worse,” he said.

    Ashley Hiruko contributed reporting.
    500+ confirmed cases now in America


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Miike wrote: »
    Worthy of note in this paper - It's basing its results on the testing accuracy of rRT-PCR in Wuhan; which had terrible logistics and long wait times in getting samples to the lab (due to 'lockdown'), which interferes significantly with accuracy of the results.

    I can adhere to this. I know somebody who’s potassium was supposedly through the roof, turned out there was a delay in getting the sample in for testing. Bloods were done again and resulted in the normal levels.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Media coverage has been mostly disgraceful for the last few weeks. They've nearly always sided on the side of hysteria and panic.

    Irish media coverage has been largely responsible (until today and that crazy talk of 2m Irish people contracting the virus in the next few weeks).

    The SBP is Ireland’s only independent newspaper AFAIK. It wasn’t them creating hysteria. They reported what was said. Simple as that.

    But agreed our media generally have been good.

    Except the sun.

    ‘China virus reached Ireland!’

    I mean ffs. We know it’s the brain dead idiots and older folks only read that rag but that’s not just irresponsible it’s racist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Media coverage has been mostly disgraceful for the last few weeks. They've nearly always sided on the side of hysteria and panic.

    Irish media coverage has been largely responsible (until today and that crazy talk of 2m Irish people contracting the virus in the next few weeks).

    They barely said a word until it started going big in Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Cheap oil prices is good isnt it or am I missing something.

    For Iran cheaper oil is bad. Iran more likely to attack Saudi Arabia energy supplies over this. Driving the price down is the Saudis playing with fire.Lowest level in 30 years.

    OPEC tries to keep the oil price and production levels at certain level to avoid chaos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Media coverage has been mostly disgraceful for the last few weeks. They've nearly always sided on the side of hysteria and panic.

    Irish media coverage has been largely responsible (until today and that crazy talk of 2m Irish people contracting the virus in the next few weeks).

    Responsible as in downplaying and saying it was somehow of absolutely no threat to Ireland despite dozens of daily flights to and from affected zones all over the globe and no screening and little testing .

    I may not agree personally that the 2m figure seems likely at all but if it were crazy talk HSE would have either denied or ignored it, but they explicitly said that they cannot argue with the figure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They barely said a word until it started going big in Europe.

    Overall they've been very restrained.

    Some of the British media coverage has been terrible : positively relishing the doomsday aspects and alarming their readers no end


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,721 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Fair Play.
    I used to have to get up for work on Monday mornings too.
    Now, I just work the system. Bliss.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    GM228 wrote: »
    I assume your basing that from this post you previously linked to at Science Daily?

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200226151951.htm

    Genuine question, but did you read the actual study and not that story?

    Yes. I read the article and the study itself in that order.

    The CT scans reported abnormalities from day one and concluded that chest CT imaging may be a more reliable and rapid method to diagnose coronavirus. Infact initial negative PCR which show up as positive on CT features highlights the limitations of PCR testing for any early warning and the positives of CT as a screening method.

    Why do you ask ?
    Miike wrote: »
    He hasn't read the second paragraph of the article. What do you think?

    I doubt he is a mind reader as to know what I read. You know damn well the PCR testing is not worth a curse for early detection and that's why people are being long fingered by the screeners.

    Negative, then positive. Its only accuracy is too late in some cases, when patients are tubed up in hospitals. An experience confirmed by Italian doctors on the ground who have followed the same regime.

    "They followed all the recommendations given: a week or ten days at home with a fever without going out to prevent contagion, but now they can't take it anymore. They don't breathe enough, they need oxygen"

    "Staying at home until the symptoms worsen does not change the prognosis of the disease."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Runaways wrote: »
    The SBP is Ireland’s only independent newspaper AFAIK. It wasn’t them creating hysteria. They reported what was said. Simple as that.

    But agreed our media generally have been good.

    Except the sun.

    ‘China virus reached Ireland!’

    I mean ffs. We know it’s the brain dead idiots and older folks only read that rag but that’s not just irresponsible it’s racist.

    That's descriptive, not racist. There was once an Asian Flue, not to mention the Spanish Flue, and there was the Australian Flue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That's descriptive, not racist. There was once an Asian Flue, not to mention the Spanish Flue, and there was the Australian Flue.

    You just killed so many angels

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭leck




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That's descriptive, not racist. There was once an Asian Flue, not to mention the Spanish Flue, and there was the Australian Flue.

    I take your point.

    But then look at the demographic that reads that paper. They aren’t thinking oh this is like Spanish flu

    They’re just thinking ‘fvckin chinks’
    And that newspaper knows that and pitched it that way for exactly that response.
    Let’s be real


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    For Iran cheaper oil is bad. Iran more likely to attack Saudi Arabia energy supplies over this. Driving the price down is the Saudis playing with fire.Lowest level in 30 years.

    OPEC tries to keep the oil price and production levels at certain level to avoid chaos.

    this could be a bigger treat to the world market than the virus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    leck wrote: »
    That's appalling.

    Not gonna lie, my eyes weld up a little reading that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Runaways wrote: »
    I take your point.

    But then look at the demographic that reads that paper. They aren’t thinking oh this is like Spanish flu

    They’re just thinking ‘fvckin chinks’
    And that newspaper knows that and pitched it that way for exactly that response.
    Let’s be real

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    spookwoman wrote: »
    5pRiRC3.jpg

    I’ve offended a sun reader it seems.

    All the Fvcks I don’t have to give.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    fritzelly wrote: »
    You just killed so many angels

    3rv4ug.jpg

    Clearly I should have gone to bed an hour or so ago.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Clearly I should have gone to bed an hour or so ago.



    Can we make one for Borders?

    It’s borders you clowns.

    Not Boarders.

    This virus might be a blessing in disguise tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That's descriptive, not racist. There was once an Asian Flue, not to mention the Spanish Flue, and there was the Australian Flue.

    Don’t forget the Chimney Flue... That was a bad one!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Clearly I should have gone to bed an hour or so ago.

    Goodnight angle..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Clearly I should have gone to bed an hour or so ago.

    Same here. Ironically sleep deprivation will probably get me before any virus does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Two US Senators are self isolating as, is the President of Portugal and the Italian chief of staff.

    You don't see that sort of thing too often.

    The Bill Gates foundation is planning to make home testing kits available to people in Seattle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Night all, see you anon, clunk, zzzzzzzz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The Bill Gates foundation is planning to make home testing kits available to people in Seattle.

    Maybe I'm missing something with this home testing kit stuff - it still needs to be analysed by qualified professionals
    Is this just a money racket to get people to pay for a test

    Anyone explain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Why are FG not taking this situation seriously enough? What the fock will they gain sitting on the sidelines. People will remember this.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fine-gael-reject-calls-for-national-government-to-tackle-coronavirus-986559.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,721 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Two US Senators are self isolating as, is the President of Portugal and the Italian chief of staff.

    You don't see that sort of thing too often.

    The Bill Gates foundation is planning to make home testing kits available to people in Seattle.

    The conspiracy theory forum is going wild over this. As mad as some people in this forum are some other forums are so much worse. I've seen it blamed on Gates who wants to make money on vaccines. George Soros is also getting blamed as the entire thing is just a scheme to undermine Trump. The Chinese also created it to undermine Trump. A lot of it seems to be about how the virus was created (or just harnessed) to mess with the USA in some manner.
    fritzelly wrote: »
    Maybe I'm missing something with this home testing kit stuff - it still needs to be analysed by qualified professionals
    Is this just a money racket to get people to pay for a test

    Anyone explain?

    I'm assuming you post it off to be tested, like the way you would send off samples for bowel screen or whatever. More of a home sampling kit than a testing kit. It still has the advantage of not gathering people who think they have the virus together.


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