Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Arrival · 08-03-2020 05:41PM

fits wrote: »

Oh COME ON. This is ridiculous rubbish.

I wouldn't say they're lying or lagging on reporting confirmed cases, but I would definitely say not enough testing is being done which means there are less confirmed cases than there are in reality; these would be infecting new people who will go untested due to the restrictions limiting testing only to people who've had direct contact with a confirmed case. I've seen too many people online at this stage complaining about having symptoms but being refused testing by HSE due to not having conformable contact with a confirmed case. This keeps the confirmed cases number artificially low which is very dangerous.

fits · 08-03-2020 05:41PM

Bambi wrote: »

Why?

Whats the alternative?

Hamsterchops · 08-03-2020 05:41PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

This could be the worst thing Italy has sent us.

This or Trappatoni

...or 1970s FIAT cars (that rusted to obscurity) within a few years.

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 05:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say this. What is going on?

Somebody messed up quotes and a few people have incorrectly been quoted. I thought I fixed my post?

US2 · 08-03-2020 05:42PM

I'm not suggesting a big cover up by the HSE or anything sinister, just that there is clearly a few days between positive test and press release as I personally know someone in hospital that tested positive friday evening, he himself told me that there is 3 of them there who tested positive.

Believe me or not I dont really care.

cnocbui · 08-03-2020 05:42PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Agreed.

The world Health spokesperson on RTE said that governments should treat this like a war with the virus.

She also said that hiving it off the the health ministry was an inadequate response, it needs a full government war-footing response.

I see very little evidence that this is happening here.

If WW2 is anything to go by, the government will just tell the virus that Ireland wishes to be neutral and ask it to respect that. I'm not aware of any other example of Irish government war footings.

normanoffside · 08-03-2020 05:42PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238

Al Itlaia to sesoend all operations in Malpensa from tomorrow.
Linate to be used only for doemstic routes.

Hopefully AerLingus and Ryanair follow suit.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 05:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The unions does not necessarily represent all workers. I am currently not in a union. I'm also not aware of the proposals been suggested so I'll refrain from commenting on them at the moment. I presume that it has to do with cancelling all annual leave, breaking European working time directive etc.

With the news from Italy today those working for the HSE should put up shut up and suck it up.:mad:

Mena Mitty · 08-03-2020 05:42PM

spookwoman wrote: »

What about TCP

Extracting p*ss from Tom cats was outlawed years ago.

Martina1991 · 08-03-2020 05:44PM

juno10353 wrote: »

Labs and hospitals need to be working 24/7 with round the clock shifts. Our hospitals build up backlogs overnight and at weekends. This is unacceptable at anytime, but particularly now.

Ah you're back. You've already been told that labs are working 24/7.

You want more staff working at night? Then that means less staff working during the day. That means the busiest times of the day/week will be understaffed.

Many hospital departments are understaffed as it is. Where do you think all this extra staff are going to appear from overnight? Where do you think the HSE is going to find an extra XXX million to provide round the clock services?

spookwoman · 08-03-2020 05:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The unions does not necessarily represent all workers. I am currently not in a union. I'm also not aware of the proposals been suggested so I'll refrain from commenting on them at the moment. I presume that it has to do with cancelling all annual leave, breaking European working time directive etc.

Might also be to do with the cleaners striking in Waterford

darjeeling · 08-03-2020 05:45PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Regarding exponential growth, wouldn't the virus get to everybody eventually?

No, the maths predict that there will be people who are not infected during an epidemic even though they are susceptible.

For the disease to keep spreading, each infected person must infect on average at least one more person.
As an epidemic spreads, people get infected, recover, and acquire immunity. That means that as the epidemic progresses, each newly-infected person encounters ever fewer susceptible people, so the transmission rate falls.
Eventually the mean no. infected per new case falls below 1 and the epidemic starts to shrink.

The percentage who will be left uninfected at the end varies between diseases depending on how transmissable the disease is.
That factor is what determines necessary vaccination uptake to prevent community spread for different diseases.
A very transmissable disease like measles will still spread if even 10% of people are not immunised.
For flu, which is much less transmissable, spread can be stopped when as few as 40% are immunised.

This all means that measures that can be applied throughout the epidemic to reduce transmissibility will reduce the overall number of people infected.
This is why hand-washing, not touching your face, covering coughs & sneezes and self-isolation when ill are all so important.

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Hurrache · 08-03-2020 05:45PM

US2 wrote: »

I'm not suggesting a big cover up by the HSE or anything sinister, just that there is clearly a few days between positive test and press release as I personally know someone in hospital that tested positive friday evening, he himself told me that there is 3 of them there who tested positive.

Believe me or not I dont really care.

The insinuation was that positive results are being kept from those tested so they then swan around and infect others in the knowledge of the HSE.

cnocbui · 08-03-2020 05:46PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

20kg bags of white rice will stay fresh for years. People stocking up on milk and bread are deluded.

Rice is the think to have. One could survive on boiled rice for a long time.

There are sheep in a field just 6 min away - just saying.

08-03-2020 05:46PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

They also suggested that the police should not bother the Army too much because they would be busy relieving firefighters.

I don't really need that image, thank you very much!

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 05:47PM

Hurrache wrote: »

The insinuation was that positive results are being kept from those tested so they then swan around and infect others in the knowledge of the HSE.

Yeah crazy talk that would be like letting flights come in from infected regions without any checks at the Airports.

otnomart · 08-03-2020 05:47PM

Debates on French TV focusing on economic impact, no mention on how to contain.
nearly 1000 cases yesterday there

Blueshoe · 08-03-2020 05:48PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

With the news from Italy today those working for the HSE should put up shut up and suck it up.:mad:

That's what happens when a sector is pandered to and mollycoddled.

Away With The Fairies · 08-03-2020 05:49PM

Just before I check out here... If 1.9 million is the infection number. How does the other 4 million not get a contagious disease? How does that work?

Hurrache · 08-03-2020 05:50PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Yeah crazy talk that would be like letting flights come in from infected regions without any checks at the Airports.

No, not alike at all.

joe40 · 08-03-2020 05:50PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

You rang? :pac:

Currently only the NVRL are carrying out the tests. I read that bit today in the Irish times it is expected that staff at some Irish hospitals will be be trained to provide testing facilities regionally, but I haven't heard anything of the sort yet. Miike mentioned it yesterday too but he had no further info.

There is a Molecular Genetics lab in Crumlin hospital. That may likely be the first hospital to take it on. I would imagine the workload will decide how many further labs are required to offer the service for testing. There's no point buying expensive equipment and reagents for hospitals around the country if there won't be a huge use for them.

A few queries I have that some people with expertise may be able to answer.
How many test per day could be carried out I know it is a fairly complex process.
Secondly will we reach a stage where people won't be tested just treat symptoms as they arise. As far as I know treatment doesn't target the actual virus just deals with the potentially serious side effects, pneumonia etc
So will testing for covid be necessary.

08-03-2020 05:50PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

With the news from Italy today those working for the HSE should put up shut up and suck it up.:mad:

What if I make a mistake? Irish people love to litigate. If I inadvertently killed your relative because I was on my 10th consecutive day of 12 hour shifts. Would you be happy for me not to prosecute me because of the coronavirus?

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 05:51PM

cnocbui wrote: »

There are sheep in a field just 6 min away - just saying.

There is a coming epidemic and maybe supply chain disruption for food can you not think about anything but sex.:rolleyes:

MadYaker · 08-03-2020 05:51PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

With the news from Italy today those working for the HSE should put up shut up and suck it up.:mad:

Easy for you to say from the safety of your own home. How would you like it if you were going into hospital for a 12 hour shift being exposed to huge amounts of the virus. Then to be told that all leave is cancelled. You tell them to just suck it up? Disgusting attitude.

VinLieger · 08-03-2020 05:52PM

US2 wrote: »

I'm not suggesting a big cover up by the HSE or anything sinister, just that there is clearly a few days between positive test and press release as I personally know someone in hospital that tested positive friday evening, he himself told me that there is 3 of them there who tested positive.

Believe me or not I dont really care.

Thats what ive been saying since Wednesday, i know someone who was confirmed wednesday and not in the numbers till thursday, i know another who was confirmed friday and still was not part of the numbers yesterday.

Seamai · 08-03-2020 05:52PM

otnomart wrote: »

Debates on French TV focusing on economic impact, no mention on how to contain.
nearly 1000 cases yesterday there

That's all fine and dandy but if they can't get a handle on it pretty quickly they wont have an economy to be discussing.

08-03-2020 05:53PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

That's what happens when a sector is pandered to and mollycoddled.

When mistakes happen in the healthcare. You can end up in a coroner's court leading to been struck off/huge compensation claims. It's not a case of been mollycoddled.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 05:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What if I make a mistake? Irish people love to litigate. If I inadvertently killed your relative because I was on my 10th consecutive day of 12 hour shifts. Would you be happy for me not to prosecute me because of the coronavirus?

Cut the drama.

People in the HSE should just do what they are told and work where they are told to work.

If they can not do this Government should look into emergency legislation to sack workers who will not play ball and replace them with those who will.

dxhound2005 · 08-03-2020 05:54PM

cnocbui wrote: »

There are sheep in a field just 6 min away - just saying.

Round them up and send them to Dublin.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/03/c_138839690.htm

A Mongolian herder from the southwestern province of Bayankhongor on Monday donated 10 sheep to the National Center for Communicable Disease of Mongolia to support the organization's anti-virus efforts.

MadYaker · 08-03-2020 05:54PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Cut the drama.

People in the HSE should just do what they are told and work where they are told to work.

If they can not do this Government should look into emergency legislation to sack workers will not play ball and replace them with those who will.

Fire healthcare workers during a pandemic? You're delusional.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP