Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Bob24 · 08-03-2020 03:05PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Data/ analysis on Wuhan containment strategies

https://twitter.com/XihongLin/status/1236075174069440512

Interesting.

If their data is correct, containment measures had a *very* significant impact: “The effective reproductive number dropped from 3.86 (95% credible interval 3.74 to 3.97) before interventions to 0.32 (0.28 to 0.37) post interventions.”

tuxy · 08-03-2020 03:06PM

PaybackPayroll wrote: »

What is an 'airborne pandemic'?

I believe C19 can be spread via sneezes, like a cold can be.

Airbourne would mean it spreads in the air on it's own and not in droplets of water like COVID-19. There is only so far and so long the water droplets can stay in the air.

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 03:06PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes but that 13% will hopefully recover, if this virus affected the younger and able people it would be disastrous. I'm responding to people comparing it to the end of the world.

It’s not the end of the world. I think most people are just frustrated at how slow our authority’s are reacting and the quite questionable methods (wait till it gets worse even though they know it’s going to get worse) before taking action that will slow it down.

otnomart · 08-03-2020 03:06PM

Hypothesis about the spreading of SARS-CoV-2 virus in Europe
Bavaria BavPat1 -> La Gomera -> Tenerife, Spain -> Italy
https://markdownshare.com/view/1fa5a29f-cc6a-4e9e-9be0-da1b19b7adf8

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 03:06PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, some Irish hospitals restricted visitors and called of elective surgeries during the week. Very sensible.

Yes it was. Perhaps it should have been done a week ago, but it is still useful nonetheless.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

And yet, some people even kvetched about that. It’s almost like they just want to give out about the HSE, no matter what.

They failed in the most basic and important task of testing people coming from affected regions, instead waiting for people to develop symptoms and present themselves for testing. They also allowed a doctor or medical student in Cork University Hospital to go unchecked for quite some time despite his worsening conditions matching that of covid-19, because he had not been to an affected region. If people have no symptoms and have not been in direct contact with someone who has been diagnosed as having covid-19 they won't test them. This is criminally stupid or inept. I am not sure which.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

What kind of details are you looking for?

More than the points on a compas.

More than the 19 cases that have currently been revealed. It would be nice to know where the cases that clearly exist but have not been released are.

It would also be nice to have some sort of contingency plans drawn up and for this information to be released to the public.

The handling of this across Europe has been disastrous so far. Utterly, utterly disastrous.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-03-2020 03:06PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Right can we get serious the deaths coming out for Iran and Italy are no flu.

Why do some people refuse to see this?

Who is refusing to acknowledge that coronavirus deaths being reported for Italy and Iran are coronavirus deaths?

Rob A. Bank · 08-03-2020 03:07PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Personally I think those numbers are insane : only 100k on the entire planet have Covid and these guys are talking about 2m Irish people having the virus soon.

This is a new RNA-based virus to which humans have no immunity.

There is no proven effective treatment or vaccine available at present.

Just because only few have been infected so far does not mean it is not dangerous.

Just look at what is happening in other countries !

The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed somewhere between 50 to 100 million people and it, too, started off small…

Wake, smell, coffee

TimeToShine · 08-03-2020 03:07PM

US2 wrote: »

Theres 100k people gathered in Manchester and liverpool today for football match, not a word about it but I see Cheltenham mentioned every second page

Agreed but we'd get a bigger rural Irish contingent at Cheltenham, all of whom would be clustered together and bringing it back to towns which otherwise may be clear...

Blueshoe · 08-03-2020 03:08PM

Healthcare was the number 2 concern given by people regarding their recent voting choice.
Harris is now in charge of managing a virus outbreak here
Ironic.
Actually not ironic. More terrifying than anything

drunkmonkey · 08-03-2020 03:08PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I'd check your maths again there.

There not far off the mark...

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 03:08PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Who is refusing to acknowledge that coronavirus deaths being reported for Italy and Iran are coronavirus deaths?

It was clearly a joke by CinemaGuy. He is taking the piss out of people who are making the comparison with seasonal flu.

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 03:09PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Healthcare was the number 2 concern given by people regarding their recent voting choice.
Harris is now in charge of managing a virus outbreak here
Ironic

Weirdly enough Stephen Donnelly sounds like he'd have done an okay job.

fiannafail.ie/statement-from-fianna-fail-spokesperson-on-health-following-briefing-on-the-coronavirus/

Kermit.de.frog · 08-03-2020 03:10PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Healthcare was the number 2 concern given by people regarding their recent voting choice.
Harris is now in charge of managing a virus outbreak here
Ironic.
Actually not ironic. More terrifying than anything

Personally I'd find the shinners in charge more terrifying.

But each to their own.

08-03-2020 03:10PM

statesaver wrote: »

Was there any truth to the stories of people being reinfected with the virus or was it bs ?

they are saying that this is because some people are harbouring very low levels of the disease and although they may appear recovered, it still is in their system.

Harry Palmr · 08-03-2020 03:10PM

US2 wrote: »

Theres 100k people gathered in Manchester and liverpool today for football match, not a word about it but I see Cheltenham mentioned every second page

If there's anyone gathered for football in Liverpool it means they've gone to the wrong stadium (Everton are away to Chelsea

)

the butcher · 08-03-2020 03:10PM

statesaver wrote: »

Was there any truth to the stories of people being reinfected with the virus or was it bs ?

More research and reporting on those % is needed for a more conclusive answer. It hasn't only happened in China by the way, Japan & S.Korea reported it also.

They say there are 2 strains of it and you can be infected with both. Or it could be the lack of good accurate testing, then letting people out when still sick and relapse. Or could be reinfection...which are common among people who have recovered from other coronaviruses that cause the common cold ->

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628163/

But the most likely answer is that patients still harbored low levels of the virus when they were discharged from the hospital, and testing failed to pick it up. Reinfection of the same strain is the least likely in my eyes because surely the recovering patient would still have short-term immunity against the virus.

niallo27 · 08-03-2020 03:10PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

This is a new RNA-based virus to which humans have no immunity.

There is no proven effective treatment or vaccine available at present.

Just because only few have been infected so far does not mean it is not dangerous.

Just look at what is happening in other countries !

The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed somewhere between 50 to 100 million people and it, too, started off small…

Wake, smell, coffee

Spanish flu attacked the young though which is always going have a much bigger impact on society.

dan786 · 08-03-2020 03:10PM

67 more people infected with coronavirus in UK - taking total to 273

gabeeg · 08-03-2020 03:11PM

UK up to 273 cases from 209 yesterday.

froog · 08-03-2020 03:11PM

come on global warming. we need you now more than ever.

Acosta · 08-03-2020 03:11PM

US2 wrote: »

Theres 100k people gathered in Manchester and liverpool today for football match, not a word about it but I see Cheltenham mentioned every second page

I was really surprised to see a full stadium for Borussia Mönchengladbach vs Dortmund match last night considering how the situation is with the virus in that part of Germany.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-03-2020 03:12PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

More than the points on a compas.

More than the 19 cases that have currently been revealed. It would be nice to know where the cases that clearly exist but have not been released are.

It would also be nice to have some sort of contingency plans drawn up and for this information to be released to the public.

The handling of this across Europe has been disastrous so far. Utterly, utterly disastrous.

What do you mean more? You want to hear that there are more than 19? “Currently been revealed” - jesus christ. Way to sound flippant. I’m sure not all samples have been processed yet so there are probably more cases but you seem to be saying that they are holding back figures rather than they just don’t have the information. I have a friend working in testing for covid 19 and they are working their arses off.

is_that_so · 08-03-2020 03:12PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Healthcare was the number 2 concern given by people regarding their recent voting choice.
Harris is now in charge of managing a virus outbreak here
Ironic.
Actually not ironic. More terrifying than anything

19 cases is not much of an outbreak and it's not him, it's Holohan and Co.

niallo27 · 08-03-2020 03:12PM

Any cases in Africa or south America where it's roasting.

Blueshoe · 08-03-2020 03:13PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Weirdly enough Stephen Donnelly sounds like he'd have done an okay job.

fiannafail.ie/statement-from-fianna-fail-spokesperson-on-health-following-briefing-on-the-coronavirus/

Boris holding Cobra meetings. UK government talking about pumping money into NHS. "Whatever it needs". Planning how to keep supply chains going.

Meanwhile in Ireland : parade is the main topic of conversation. Leo gone into hiding and the hse don't work weekends

Away With The Fairies · 08-03-2020 03:13PM

Treasure Grumpy Tie wrote: »

Probably become our new normal for a while, very sad and seems inhumane but you can see the reasons behind it if they are stretched to the limit. Tough decisions but heartbreaking for those who will lose their lives because of it.

I just hope they bring in euthanasia instead having people suffer.

TimeToShine · 08-03-2020 03:13PM

froog wrote: »

come on global warming. we need you now more than ever.

Fire up the coal and oil plants and decommission the wind turbines, it's the only way!

woohoo!!! · 08-03-2020 03:14PM

Time to give Cork what they've yearned for years, their own republic. Lock the place down and tell em we'll see em in a couple of months, like.

But on a more serious note, looking at other countries before us, they've all developed clusters and Cork will likely be our first one. Therefore is it better to do this promptly or in 4 weeks?

For the rest of the country, ban any large social gatherings, quarantine zones at airports from hot zones. Each day that passes without such decisions being made is quite literally, critical.

MadYaker · 08-03-2020 03:14PM

gabeeg wrote: »

UK up to 273 cases from 209 yesterday.

I was expecting a much larger increase. Fingers crossed a proportionally similar increase for us and not massive.

08-03-2020 03:14PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Are there statistics of this happening in Ireland on an annual basis? If a doctor has to make such a decision is there referral to an ethics committee first? What reporting protocols exist for such an event?

No, I have no such statistics (and I doubt they exist). It is supposition on my part. But there are DNS arrangements. People who are terminal are unlikely to be kept in ICU if there is competing demand.

It is just that the threshold is likely to be much lower if there is a huge outbreak and resultant pressure on the system.

As for an Ethics Committee. It is more likely that such a committee would provide a general guide to aid clinician decision-making. Ethics committees (where they exist) are not waiting in situ to make decisions on individual cases. They are likely to only meet a number of times annually.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP