Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

is_that_so

Blueshoe wrote: »

Harris is the top of the chain. He's not a doctor but the buck stops with him.

Nah, not here. Their advice is what is driving this thing, in effect they are making government decisions. I'd sooner listen to DoH updates than any politician at the moment. Now, if he is called upon to actually do something he'll be the boss again but probably best for him to resign at this stage!

gabeeg

MadYaker wrote: »

But cases aren't doubling every day???

No, thank God. If they were then the UK would be 18 days from literally everyone having it

Blueshoe

MadYaker wrote: »

But cases aren't doubling every day???

I'd say Meghan markkle is some dose all the same.

gabeeg

MadYaker wrote: »

But cases aren't doubling every day???

The figure I've seen given is an average doubling of six days.

But that's going to vary from region to region.

stephenjmcd

Jucifer wrote: »

Fingers crossed but if the turnaround time for testing has extended to 48 hours as of Friday it could be worse after the weekend. In such a scenario I wouldn’t expect to see significant numbers being detected here for a few days, if they exist.

It's been posted time and time again that the turnaround is not 48hours.

the butcher

Do not forget that this FG government along with the HSE/dept of Health let flights come in from Northern Italy this weekend even after nearly 2 weeks of most cases across Europe being reported as "due to travel from Northern Italy."

Poor_old_gill

Blueshoe wrote: »

Harris is the top of the chain. He's not a doctor but the buck stops with him.

Nonsense - he has to rely on the advice of professionals.
You seem to have an agenda here, which is your prerogative, but dont delude yourself

Kermit.de.frog

Blueshoe wrote: »

Harris is the top of the chain. He's not a doctor but the buck stops with him.

What shinner politicians are doctors?

How would the shinners deal with this? Which of the shinners would you put in charge?

Hurrache

RandomName2 wrote: »

I love how the 'stop the hysteria' mob have switched so quickly from saying 'it won't spread' to 'it's going to spread. It's inevitable. Get on with your life'.

You'll be doing well to find anyone calling out hysteria denying it will spread.

Blueshoe

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Nonsense - he has to rely on the advice of professionals.
You seem to have an agenda here, which is your prerogative, but dont delude yourself

Yes that's correct but Harris is still the boss. How can you not understand that?

namloc1980

rossie1977 wrote: »

One confirmed case. The only people we are testing are those who report symptoms and those in close contact with people who have already been confirmed as infected.

We're taking the Trump approach and doing minimal testing. Meanwhile another bunch of planes are due to fly into the country from northern Italy today.

Pacing Mule

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I believe that if the patient was confirmed COVID-19 by the time of daily press conference. It would be announced.

Maybe "confirmation" takes a couple of days of paper work or something. But when you've health care professionals who work in a specific hospital telling family off the record not to go to said hospital because of multiple cases being diagnosed in that hospital, and then that night we get told 1 case was diagnosed in the previous 24 hours you have to question the accuracy of the official reports.

Poor_old_gill

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes that's correct but Harris is still the boss. How can you not understand that?

I do understand how a ministry works, its fairly evident that you dont though.

Would you take the advice of a minister over a medical professional?
If so, why?

Blueshoe

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What shinner politicians are doctors?

How would the shinners deal with this? Which of the shinners would you put in charge?

Don't know. We will never find out either since they will never be in power. Why do you assume I support Sinn Fein?
Defense mechanism or automatically comes to your mind when someone makes comment about FG?

Go away. Bring it with you

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

Boris holding Cobra meetings. UK government talking about pumping money into NHS. "Whatever it needs". Planning how to keep supply chains going.

Meanwhile in Ireland : parade is the main topic of conversation. Leo gone into hiding and the hse don't work weekends

This is complete lies. Do you think hospitals and testing facilities close on the weekend? Bizarre.

Kermit.de.frog

Blueshoe wrote: »

Don't know. We will never find out either since they will never be in power. Why do you assume I support Sinn Fein?
Defense mechanism or automatically comes to your mind when someone makes comment about FG?

Go away. Bring it with you

Because your attitude is as illogical as their supporters.

You complain and moan but there are never answers to anything.

So and so this, so and so that, but never any thought plan.

Blueshoe

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is complete lies. Do you think hospitals and testing facilities close on the weekend? Bizarre.

The office staff not the foot soldiers. The office is closed at the weekends. Hospitals don't close.

dxhound2005

Flights are continuing into and out of Milan. Restaurants are open. Not much of a lock down.

https://www.milanomalpensa-airport.com/en/flights/arrivals

Blueshoe

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Because your attitude is as illogical as their supporters.

You complain and moan but there are never answers to anything.

So and so this, so and so that, but never any thought plan.

What's your plan?
I'm entitled to voice my opinion. You don't have to listen or better yet tell yours rather than oh the shinners rubbish

ChikiChiki

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Nonsense - he has to rely on the advice of professionals.
You seem to have an agenda here, which is your prerogative, but dont delude yourself

Honestly Harris has been a disaster. He was relying on the advice of professionals around the Childrens Hospital overspending.

They were filling him with pure guff and absolutely he was the wrong person to challenge and probe these people.

Fair enough, you have to rely on the advice of professionals as its not your expertise but you have to be able use sensible judgement also and be confident to question and make tough choices where needed in his capacity.

I do not see that.

niallo27

Anyone read the SARS thread from 2003 on here, the health system is going break down, back to the dark ages. Mass deaths.

MadYaker

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Flights are continuing into and out of Milan. Restaurants are open. Not much of a lock down.

https://www.milanomalpensa-airport.com/en/flights/arrivals

From reading the italian subreddit it seems shops are open too and people can move around freely.

froog

the government/HSE seem more concerned about not causing panic than anything else. that horse is bolted i'm afraid. they need to start informing the country what the plan is when **** gets real in just two/three weeks. like the UK are doing.

Blueshoe

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Honestly Harris has been a disaster. He was relying on the advice of professionals around the Childrens Hospital overspending.

They were filling him with pure guff and absolutely he was the wrong person to challenge and probe these people.

Fair enough, you have to rely on the advice of professionals as its not your expertise but you have to be able use sensible judgement also and be confident question and make tough choices where needed in his capacity.

I do not see that.

Harris isn't in charge apparently .

Phibsboro

gabeeg wrote: »

Put it this way, if cases are doubling every day then the UK are 12 days away from having over a million known cases

Cases aren't doubling every day. It might look like that initially (and it will in the States I suspect) as testing catches up with pre-existing cases. In China, it doubled on average every 2.5 days. A normal flu epidemic would double every 6 days. If we take a conservative 4 days then the UK will hit a million cases on Friday 24th April. If it doubles at the same speed as China it will hit the million on 6th April. If you take the peak to be 50% infected, the UK will hit peak on the 14th May (and we will be around the same time, with approx 2m cases). As measures are taken we are unlikely to hit 50% infected so the peak will be a week or two earlier probably. There will be an absolute ****show for at least a couple of weeks before the peak and then maybe 3 weeks afterwards (the UK is actually saying 9 weeks ****show in total). Medical services outside of maybe a GP writing a prescription will be unavailable for those weeks as all resources are devoted to try to save corona victims. We (Western Europe and the US) are in a phony war phase at the moment as the numbers don't look too bad. But the curve is going straight up and everything will look different by the end of April.

Poor_old_gill

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Honestly Harris has been a disaster. He was relying on the advice of professionals around the Childrens Hospital overspending.

They were filling him with pure guff and absolutely he was the wrong person to challenge and probe these people.

Fair enough, you have to rely on the advice of professionals as its not your expertise but you have to be able use sensible judgement also and be confident question and make tough choices where needed in his capacity.

I do not see that.

Ok but with regard to the topic of this thread- would you take the advice of a minister over that of a medical professional?
If so, why?

WhiteMemento9

Deleted User wrote: »

This is complete lies. Do you think hospitals and testing facilities close on the weekend? Bizarre.

You keep saying this as if you are the one arguing from the factual position but never providing anything other than the same spurious claims that are being claimed on the other side. Do you have any actual links to confirm the number of tests that have taken place over the weekend and that the numbers have actually dropped to next to nothing despite the number of tests remaining consistent with days before the weekend?

1641

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I don't think you actually know and are just posting what you imagine the case to be. The only link I can find is

Correct

1641 wrote: »

No, I have no such statistics (and I doubt they exist). It is supposition on my part.

But I have some knowledge of Ethics Committees.

If they exist at all, they are not sitting around waiting for referrals on individual cases. That would be impossible. They prepare ethical guidelines in relation to various clinical scenarios. They may look at some individual cases where the decision is not immediately life and death and where it raises more general ethical decision making issues. They are more traditionally associated in Ireland with religious run hospitals.

I have seen and read some ethical guidelines from such hospitals. They cover isssues such as "end of life" care and decision-making on when to maintain treatment or otherwise.

Poor_old_gill

Blueshoe wrote: »

Harris isn't in charge apparently .

He is and he's relying on the advice of medical professionals - how is this difficult to grasp?
It's the most logical thing to do

gabeeg

Funerals have been suspended in Italy.

Think about this for a second. Your loved one gets sick. Then gets very sick. You call the hospital. They send an ambulance. You're not allowed to go with him/her because of the risk of virus spreading and basic capacity. You rush a goodbye. Then nothing. You ring frequently to try to find out how he/she is doing, but never get any info other than he/she is still being treated. A few days pass and you get a phone call. He/she got pneumonia and passed away. They are not releasing the body and can't say if they ever will.