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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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    #122
    statesaver
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    Spain has now confirmed 589 cases of the coronavirus - a rise of 159 from Saturday - along with 13 deaths.

    That's a huge increase in a week


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    #123
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Good point but who will pay my mortgage if I don't go to work. The government needs to do something and subsidise employers to help pay workers who would self isolate.

    You will. The government can't pay everyone's mortgage.

    Do you expect them to wipe your arse as well.


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    #124
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    iguana wrote: »
    I see a lot of people in high infection areas wearing masks, while their long hair flows free. Surely if you got an infected person's cough/sneeze droplets on your hair, that's a really good way to carry the virus around for at least a few hours with a very decent chance of infecting yourself.

    Yep.

    Hence my rant on the previous thread that masks provide but not much protection. For the average person who just puts on a mask it provides zero protection.


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    #125
    CinemaGuy45
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    statesaver wrote: »
    Spain has now confirmed 589 cases of the coronavirus - a rise of 159 from Saturday - along with 13 deaths.

    That's a huge increase in a week

    They should have gone with the Irish approach have all their health officials take the weekend off.


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    #126
    Popoutman
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    irishgeo wrote: »
    Any ward can be turned into an icu ward. It's nothing special. Its extra equipment and 24/7 nursing staff on duty. Stop **** stirring. Most people aren't going to need a icu bed.

    And where will that staffing come from? We've been relying on "agency" staff for some time already. We do not have the existing capacity right now to increase greatly the ICU numbers in time.

    Correct that most people won't need a bed, but it's extremely likely that a few thousand will by mid-June (see my previous post and the link in it in this thread for why), and we will not be able to put that capacity in place in time for the peak of the respiratory-compromised infected.

    We're not doing enough yet to either prevent the spread, or to be able to manage the fallout from the expected number of infections.


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    #127
    Nijmegen
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    irishgeo wrote: »
    Any ward can be turned into an icu ward. It's nothing special. Its extra equipment and 24/7 nursing staff on duty. Stop **** stirring. Most people aren't going to need a icu bed.

    In Lombardy officials have basically said they are moving into triage now because they are overwhelmed. We know that the percentage of cases that do become serious are quite intensive in manpower to keep alive. That’s partially why young and otherwise low risk doctors have been dropping dead treating them. Putting your head in the sand on the idea that we can just magically deal with a proper sized outbreak when we have people dying on trolleys in normal circumstances is equally silly to saying this will end the world.

    For a lot of people I fear this is an academic exercise for now. If people we love start dying and we’re thinking afterwards over all of this, some steps we could have taken will make us angry to think about. Please god it doesn’t come to pass, but I just think we have plenty of examples of the spread of this now to at least take an educated guess.


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    #128
    Graces7
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    Andrea B. wrote: »
    A search on "coronavirus" on Adverts, shows the sad side of humanity.
    Advertising of facemasks at silly prices, to cash in on peoples fears and anxieties. Shame on them.

    There was a case in the UK reported last week where folk were sending money for advertised face masks that never arrived. Utterly shameful


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    #129
    frillyleaf
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    transylman wrote: »
    Boggles the mind that Patricks day parades have not been cancelled yet. They were postponed back in 2001 due to the uk foot and mouth outbreak, along with 6 nations moved back to autumn. Current situation would merit at least this level of response.

    I feel they will be empty anyway. I was in town last night and temple bar was very quiet. I feel for the businesses being affected by this and also for people that are nervous of this due to having vulnerable people in their family.

    Has anyone considered the delay of the virus and increasing temperatures and how that can affect it? I wonder what temperature if lives on surfaces at best? They are likely testing this


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    #130
    Drumpot
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not sure how effective the Italian lock down will be?

    When areas in China went into lock down, that meant people being forced to stay in their own house/apartment for the lock down period.

    In Italy, as far as I am aware, people are free to move around and interact within the lock down area (but just not allowed in or out of the lock down area).

    This seems to be part of the problem , we can’t take people’s rights to move around and some people don’t care about infecting others. What’s probably more troublesome is that a lot of people still appear to think this is a problem to be dealt with by in essence waiting to see how bad it gets before taking any meaningful efforts to slow the spread.

    Feels kind of like some countries are using this “containment phase” as a way to put off making hard calls. When all evidence points to most countries following a similar graph to those around them, what makes any country think they can contain this ? Only countries that have taken quick action have been able to get some sort of handle on this, I really don’t understand how this is not considered a worthwhile strategy.


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    #131
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    They should have gone with the Irish approach have all their health officials take the weekend off.

    Ah would you stop spouting this shìte ffs


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    #132
    cnocbui
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    iguana wrote: »
    I see a lot of people in high infection areas wearing masks, while their long hair flows free. Surely if you got an infected person's cough/sneeze droplets on your hair, that's a really good way to carry the virus around for at least a few hours with a very decent chance of infecting yourself.

    Carrying it around is no problem. I'll bet they hit the showers directly after shedding the gear, so it would get washed away then and not be a problem. Women are less susceptible than men also - generally.


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    #133
    Nijmegen
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not sure how effective the Italian lock down will be?

    When areas in China went into lock down, that meant people being forced to stay in their own house/apartment for the lock down period.

    In Italy, as far as I am aware, people are free to move around and interact within the lock down area (but just not allowed in or out of the lock down area).

    Democracies cannot take the steps the Chinese did. It’s that simple.


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    #134
    ArchXStanton
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    amadangomor wrote: »
    Good point but who will pay my mortgage if I don't go to work. The government needs to do something and subsidise employers to help pay workers who would self isolate.

    That will be another thing that stands out after this crisis, just how squeezed people are in the face of an emergency


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    #135
    Acosta
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    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Reading where?

    Also if it's just people who think they have it, I wouldn't be particularly concerned. OTOH if it's people whose GPs think they have it, I would be.

    Reddit and Twitter. Hopefully they don't. I fear the way the HSE are handling this entire thing there might be an explosion of it in a week or two as too many are not taking precautions now. Hopefully I'm wrong.


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    #136
    Cork Boy 53
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Fair enough.

    I am meant to be going away in less then a week also I have elderly relatives who and am really worried for.

    Sticking with this thread to try and get a clearer picture of what is going on.

    People saying be are all going to be grand does not make me feel better.

    I do not trust the media the HSE or the WHO nor do I believe we are all doomed but I also believe we do not have a good overall picture of this yet.

    Going away where?


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    #137
    KWAG2019
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    amadangomor wrote: »
    Good point but who will pay my mortgage if I don't go to work. The government needs to do something and subsidise employers to help pay workers who would self isolate.

    They don’t need to do that. The banking system EU wide has to be told that mortgages may be delayed with this pandemic. It may need legal tweaking but that’s all.


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    #138
    Gynoid
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    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    My friend I mentioned in one of these friends has just made the difficult decision to cancel her honeymoon in Japan. She was meant to go 2 weeks from now. While they don't seem to have that many cases there relative to some European countries, it feels like too much of a risk to travel so far at a time when things are changing so fast. She reckons she'll probably catch it in London anyway but better that than being stuck in a foreign country where they're in denial about how bad the situation is, either sick or unable to get home.

    British Airways have refused to refund any money and are saying flights are still going as normal, so they're out thousands of pounds for flights, as well as losing their annual leave and having their honeymoon ruined.

    I'm so gutted for her...she's had a really hard year with serious illness and this was a huge treat, and now she's going to spend her honeymoon sitting at home in London for 2 weeks, not even able to properly enjoy it because of coronavirus.

    I think she should go. She will be as safe in Japan as anywhere else. The world is not going to lock down, and if they did get delayed in Japan for a while it would be fine. If she decides not to go, then she should be cheerful about that decision rather than gutted or mournful. That would be a total downer on the start of tgeir marriage. Chin up. Money is gone, it would have been gone anyway. If they stay they have 2 weeks to lounge around the London pad, no work, watch movies, eat take out, make love and never get out of their pajamas. How bad could it be.


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    #139
    CinemaGuy45
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Going away where?

    Lanzarote.


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    #140
    Arrival
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    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    What's on the radio right now, again in the name of reassuring us is quite disturbing.

    We have 250 intensive care beds in our country. Around a quarter of what's normal in Europe.
    That's not 250 for the virus but everyone who has a heart attack, car crash etc and the virus.

    We will potentially just not put people over 75 into intensive care and concentrate on treating "productive members of society" according to adr from CUH. That'll be a decision to let people die of this. 75 is not old. It's the age of lots of our relatively vital parents.

    Why in earth when we are looking down the barrel of that scenario are we offering reassurance and not taking the most drastic measures to stop the spread?

    I've been considering this situation playing out for a while after seeing the ICU numbers from Italy blow past our own number of ICU beds and it's got me shook, it's why I'm taking it so seriously because, as you say, who decides which cases get the few available ICU beds available? Will my parents/grandparents/aunt's/uncle's end up not being able to get an ICU bed if they need one?... People need to think about all of this and push for quicker and more action to reduce the likelihood of such situations, or at least the number of times such situations occur, because those are the kinds of things that even medical professionals would struggle to cope with long-term

    All avoidable if we simply made the effort now to stop us reaching extreme levels


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    #141
    Burty330
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    Is it true thousands of Italians flew into Dublin over the weekend and proceed to walk around willy-nilly.

    I think all routes to and from Italy should be halted temporarily.


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    #142
    amadangomor
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    You will. The government can't pay everyone's mortgage.

    Do you expect them to wipe your arse as well.

    No I won't on whatever sick pay pays.I can clean my own arse as long as I can work and get my wages to pay for the bog roll. My family can't live without my wages.

    I have a chest infection and I don't meet the criteria to be tested so why should I self diagnose and self isolate when I have no medical knowledge. The experts are telling me I am fine and I don't meet the criteria to be tested so it's on them if my assessment of myself is wrong - I'm 99% sure that I've a cold.


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    #143
    Martina1991
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    Green farmer wrote:
    Can they make a cheap mass produced, disposable test kit ? Sell them for a euro or two. Available from the chemist. Then everyone could test themselves at the slightest cough and would stop the spread, as you wouldn't be walking around undiagnosed.

    No, you are way oversimplifying the testing process. It's not like a pregnancy test.


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    #144
    cnocbui
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    irishgeo wrote: »
    Any ward can be turned into an icu ward. It's nothing special. Its extra equipment and 24/7 nursing staff on duty. Stop **** stirring. Most people aren't going to need a icu bed.

    The issue isn't 'most', its the fact that there will be more cases needing ICU than beds so equipped.


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    #145
    [Deleted User]
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    irishgeo wrote: »
    Any ward can be turned into an icu ward. It's nothing special. Its extra equipment and 24/7 nursing staff on duty. Stop **** stirring. Most people aren't going to need a icu bed.

    I'm afraid this isn't true. ICU involved one to one nursing. You wouldn't have the space in a six bedded dorm to have ICU equipment for six patients. Also, you are forgetting about the lack of ICU specialised staff. I wish it was as easy as that.

    I agree with you that the vast majority of symptomatic patients won't need ICU level treatment.


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    #146
    joe40
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Fair enough.

    I am meant to be going away in less then a week also I have elderly relatives who and am really worried for.

    Sticking with this thread to try and get a clearer picture of what is going on.

    People saying be are all going to be grand does not make me feel better.

    I do not trust the media the HSE or the WHO nor do I believe we are all doomed but I also believe we do not have a good overall picture of this yet.

    I really do sympathise with your worry about elderly relatives. I feel the same. I just find it hard to believe someone would distrust media, HSE and WHO but instead look for advice from random strangers on an internet forum.
    And even then only from people you agree with.


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    #147
    frillyleaf
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    GetWithIt wrote: »
    The map that keeps getting posted is taken from here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    It’s a dashboard from Johns Hopkins University so best of luck viewing on a small screen.

    It’s the same dashboard that appears in the background of all those cabinet “war room” pics so as authoritative as you get and may be worth putting in the OP.

    Where is the one that shows the infection over time ?


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    #148
    Cody montana
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    Burty330 wrote: »
    Is it true thousands of Italians flew into Dublin over the weekend and proceed to walk around willy-nilly.

    I think all routes to and from Italy should be halted temporarily.

    What about France, Germany, UK, USA?


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    #149
    [Deleted User]
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    Arrival wrote: »
    I've been considering this situation playing out for a while after seeing the ICU numbers from Italy blow past our own number of ICU beds and it's got me shook, it's why I'm taking it so seriously because, as you say, who decides which cases get the few available ICU beds available? Will my parents/grandparents/aunt's/uncle's end up not being able to get an ICU bed if they need one?... People need to think about all of this and push for quicker and more action to reduce the likelihood of such situations, or at least the number of times such situations occur, because those are the kinds of things that even medical professionals would struggle to cope with long-term

    All avoidable if we simply made the effort now to stop us reaching extreme levels

    The population of Lombardy is twice that of Ireland. Comparing like to like of beds doesn't make sense.


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    #150
    iguana
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Yep.

    Hence my rant on the previous thread that masks provide but not much protection. For the average person who just puts on a mask it provides zero protection.

    I'm guessing that a multi layered mask, goggles, a hat covering all your hair, a waterproof coat with a high collar & hood up, disposable gloves and some sort of over-pants would be needed. When you come home, take everything off immediately. Dispose of the disposable items. Soak the reasuable fabrics in a bleach solution before washing at a high temperature, wash your shoes and goggles with bleach, and fully wash your face and hands. And unless you are in, or in high contact with someone in, a really high risk group, I really don't think many people are going to do all that.


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    #151
    amadangomor
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    What about France, Germany, UK, USA?

    All our cases apart from the one unaccounted one came from people visiting Italy


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