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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #9152
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Would that be via Reddit, Twitter, a bloke down the pub, your granny's fifth cousin or a credible official source? Think we heard yesterday that UCG was rife with it.

    Well this is a fact. And I'd nearly believe WhatsApp over the HSE at this stage as there is 100% 3 cases I know of that haven't been released.


  • #9153
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Bob24 wrote: »
    I think this thread shows that slowly more people are understanding that it is not a minor issue though.

    There are still a few but you don’t see as many “the common flue kills many more people than Covid 19 each year” type of comments anymore.


    SARS WAS A HOAX!

    No, it was a very dangerous disease that was stopped in its tracks, and you are mocking the efforts which halted that potential pandemic.


  • #9154
    john_doe.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭john_doe.


    daheff wrote: »
    France is catching up fast 230+ new cases yesterday. Germany with 163. Give it a week and we'll be talking about them as much as Italy

    https://news.qq.com/zt2020/page/feiyan.htm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#/global

    Hmm Italy as an outlier just doesn't make sense.
    It's same virus , and I don't think they messed up more than anyone else would or we would here.

    This would make more sense and it's purely timing. And if that is true then other countries are not learning from them and just putting it down as an exception.


  • #9155
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    Not a post about the disease but more a political philosophy point.

    This illness will really clearly demarcated which countries have governments capable of making and enforcing strong decisions. China will use this to bolster the reputation of its model of government (moderate personal freedom with very limited political freedom), Russia will use it to show how much better it did than Western liberal democracies (they’ll be utterly ruthless with cases and lockdowns, they’re good at that) and the UK, Germany, the Benelux and Scandinavian countries will all do pretty well because of political and social characteristics.

    People in poliscience and social studies courses will be writing PhDs on the impact of government style and social interaction/phlegmatically for decades to come.

    Today’s crisis becomes tomorrow’s dissertation. That’s a surreal thought when you’re living in the crisis.


  • #9156
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    That's a stupid comment. Italy has the highest number of expat Chinese of any European country, Northern Italy in particular, according to their Irish Ambassador on Radio 1.

    What proof do you have to back up your daft statement?
    About as much proof that that your own claim holds water. Data will tell us in due course.


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  • #9157
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    john_doe. wrote: »
    Ya It has to be spreading in Cork. Can't explain where the guy got it from , which means there is someone most likely out there spreading it.

    Then factor in this guy was in hospital with doctors , nurses who move patients between wards.

    I'd imagine there are number infected in hospital itself , just not known yet.

    Well the most obvious explanation is that he was in contact with someone who had been in Italy (or somewhere else where cases had developed before here) and was a carrier / asymptomatic, possibly a member of staff or someone who was visiting him. Either someone is lying or someone is not doing their job properly.


  • #9158
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    That's a stupid comment. Italy has the highest number of expat Chinese of any European country, Northern Italy in particular, according to their Irish Ambassador on Radio 1.

    What proof do you have to back up your daft statement that they 'screwed up'?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112754433&postcount=7220


  • #9159
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    US2 wrote: »
    Well this is a fact. And I'd nearly believe WhatsApp over the HSE at this stage as there is 100% 3 cases I know of that haven't been released.
    Ah so it's a conspiracy theory via WhatsApp. Fair enough.


  • #9160
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    US2 wrote: »
    Well this is a fact. And I'd nearly believe WhatsApp over the HSE at this stage as there is 100% 3 cases I know of that haven't been released.

    Show us the proof


  • #9161
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The only difference between Italy and the rest of Europe is we are behind a couple of weeks.

    We could be behind a couple of weeks but the Italians stopped flights from China the day they had two positive Chinese tourists. We have let hundreds of people back into the country from Italy. Numbers are going to go up very quickly here.


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  • #9162
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    OMD wrote: »
    John Crown may be a good oncologist but he has no specific training in Public Health or Epidemiology beyond what he learnt as a student 40 years ago and his opinion should carry very little weight.

    Your post indicates that we should trust him but not the hundreds of public health doctors in this country who are specifically trained to respond to situations like this.

    Do you believe we should let the parade go ahead and hit A&E with loads of drunks? Lots of commentary this week of virologists and other experts saying it should be cancelled. But I can’t say I trust the experts saying it should go ahead, it makes no sense to my mind. Why put pressure on the system that’s already under pressure, why risk a rise in infection rates too.


  • #9163
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    All parades should be cancelled not just in Dublin but nationwide as organisers of some of them in my own county have done of their own accord.

    If it becomes safe enough at a future date for the cancelled parades to be held, I'm seriously tempted to travel to Youghal, Middleton, Cobh or Stepaside and watch theirs and spend my money in a town that prioritised public safety.


  • #9164
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    Not a post about the disease but more a political philosophy point.

    This illness will really clearly demarcated which countries have governments capable of making and enforcing strong decisions. China will use this to bolster the reputation of its model of government (moderate personal freedom with very limited political freedom), Russia will use it to show how much better it did than Western liberal democracies (they’ll be utterly ruthless with cases and lockdowns, they’re good at that) and the UK, Germany, the Benelux and Scandinavian countries will all do pretty well because of political and social characteristics.

    People in poliscience and social studies courses will be writing PhDs on the impact of government style and social interaction/phlegmatically for decades to come.

    Today’s crisis becomes tomorrow’s dissertation. That’s a surreal thought when you’re living in the crisis.

    once china accepts that this is their Chernobyl and that their choice of political system caused it or made it worse

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #9165
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Show us the proof

    You want me to get a sick cert off the hospital for you or something?


  • #9166
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭daheff


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We could be behind a couple of weeks but the Italians stopped flights from China the day they had two positive Chinese tourists. We have let hundreds of people back into the country from Italy. Numbers are going to go up very quickly here.

    We couldn't stop Irish residents returning....but we should have stopped people going there or non Irish residents visiting.


  • #9167
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Yes we can all agree Italy made a mess out of this. But still if you take French daily figures and match them to Italian figures a week earlier, the charts do seem to look awfully similar.

    (I am taking France as an example as it is broadly a similar size and population, but I would put other European countries in the same basket)
    And I agree we should be looking at other countries. There is no evidence so far that they'll end up with an Italian scenario.


  • #9168
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    daheff wrote: »
    We couldn't stop Irish residents returning....but we should have stopped people going there or non Irish residents visiting.

    We could have tested those who came back!

    Take mouth swabs of all passengers, take their details, follow up in a week with a further round of tests. Really easy to manage, not very expensive. You literally know what gate of the airport they are going to be entering. And until you get the results back, have them in isolation.


  • #9169
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Mr.S wrote: »
    I'd love to know how you think a WhatsApp message from someone can mean it's 100% confirmed.

    I didn't get this from WhatsApp, I simply said I'd nearly believe WhatsApp over the hse as they havnt released some of the positive tests from Friday.


  • #9170
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We could be behind a couple of weeks but the Italians stopped flights from China the day they had two positive Chinese tourists. We have let hundreds of people back into the country from Italy. Numbers are going to go up very quickly here.
    Well as they largely seem to be Irish we have to.


  • #9171
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    is_that_so wrote: »
    About as much proof that that your own claim holds water. Data will tell us in due course.
    Why, which ambassador, or source even, are you referencing? The AskMyArse search engine?


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  • #9172
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And I agree we should be looking at other countries. There is no evidence so far that they'll end up with an Italian scenario.

    Yes there is evidence, showing the exact same trajectory as italy 10-14 days ago


  • #9173
    OMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭OMD


    pc7 wrote: »
    Do you believe we should let the parade go ahead and hit A&E with loads of drunks? Lots of commentary this week of virologists and other experts saying it should be cancelled. But I can’t say I trust the experts saying it should go ahead, it makes no sense to my mind. Why put pressure on the system that’s already under pressure, why risk a rise in infection rates too.

    I think we should allow the people best trained in this field to make decisions based on best international evidence and ignore media hungry doctors with no actual scientific basis for their opinions.

    If John Crown and all other oncologists came out and detailed the best way to treat cancer should we trust them or should we ignore them and instead trust a media friendly GP with no actual cancer experience or indeed trust people commenting on social media over oncologists?


  • #9174
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    France had first 'local' case (not linked to China nor Italy) showing symptoms from 13 February and diagnosed only on the 25 February.
    Not testing as much as other Countries
    Nearly 1000 total cases yesterday.
    Official statements that epidemy is inevitable.

    Still no major measures, except: schools closed for two weeks in two epicentres only and nationwide ban of indoor events with over 5000 people.
    Local elections still coming up.

    Defence meeting todat at 18.00 so I don't expect any announcement till then.


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  • #9175
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Why, which ambassador, or source even, are you referencing? The AskMyArse search engine?

    I never mentioned any ambassador.:confused:


  • #9176
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And I agree we should be looking at other countries. There is no evidence so far that they'll end up with an Italian scenario.

    This ship has taken on a bit of water fair enough but there is no evidence it's going to take on anymore or even sink.

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  • #9177
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,105 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Iran has stopped all flights to Europe


  • #9178
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    daheff wrote: »
    We couldn't stop Irish residents returning....but we should have stopped people going there or non Irish residents visiting.


    We could have controlled their return but nah, sure it's grand.


  • #9179
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    pc7 wrote: »
    Do you believe we should let the parade go ahead and hit A&E with loads of drunks? Lots of commentary this week of virologists and other experts saying it should be cancelled. But I can’t say I trust the experts saying it should go ahead, it makes no sense to my mind. Why put pressure on the system that’s already under pressure, why risk a rise in infection rates too.
    People don't get drunk watching a parade.

    Those who want to get drunk will do so whether or not there is a parade.

    With so few cases at present, it's premature to cancel anything.

    Obviously things can change. But at this moment there's simply too much hysteria


  • #9180
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    US2 wrote: »
    Yes there is evidence, showing the exact same trajectory as italy 10-14 days ago
    Past performance is no evidence of the future. Only actual data will tell us.


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  • #9181
    ChurchtownMan
    Site Banned Posts: 38 ✭ChurchtownMan


    harr wrote: »
    I was in kildare village shopping outlet yesterday and plenty of Chinese and Italians plus plenty of other nationalities knocking about. When I was leaving another bus load of Chinese tourists arrived. Business as usual It seems

    How do you know they were Chinese. Interviews ? Or do you speak Mandarin ?


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