Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

MarkY91 · 08-03-2020 10:51AM

stockshares wrote: »

Why would you risk it. Is it a Holiday or work

Why would you risk leaving your house also? It's everywhere. There's been 4 cases in Philippines, 3 have recovered. It's statistically safer there than in Ireland.

08-03-2020 10:51AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Actually Closed for 2 weeks.

Macau's gaming industry is the largest in the world, generating over MOP195 billion (US$24 billion) in revenue and about seven times larger than that of Las Vegas.[10] Macau's gambling revenue was $37 billion in 2018

So 2 weeks is about 1.4Billion USD

It is a bit apples and oranges,though. Macau has roughly just over half the population of greater Dublin (700,000) and a population density of 21,340 per kilometre. Dublin's density is not much more that 1/10 of that -4,588 per km. And that is not to include the rest of this country.

OMD · 08-03-2020 10:52AM

pc7 wrote: »

I think Prof John Crowne is an amazing doctor, man and advocate for his patients. He was on rte one yday saying cancel too. Hopefully if more like him come out they will listen. They have them perfect get out of jail card to do this. Leo et al, just bloody do it.

John Crown may be a good oncologist but he has no specific training in Public Health or Epidemiology beyond what he learnt as a student 40 years ago and his opinion should carry very little weight.

Your post indicates that we should trust him but not the hundreds of public health doctors in this country who are specifically trained to respond to situations like this.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-03-2020 10:52AM

john_doe. wrote: »

What is the reason Italy has been hit so bad?

Granted this guy Mattia presents to the hospital and waits 36 hrs before been diagnosed, spread it around etc. But surely this must have happened elsewhere, Cork Hospital had patient similarly not diagnosed that spread it.

But why did it get so bad in Italy. Also looks like the recovery rate is poor in Italy.

Is the virus more potent there and why ?

The only difference between Italy and the rest of Europe is we are behind a couple of weeks.

is_that_so · 08-03-2020 10:52AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

There is another case confirmed in Galway but that would make 20 not 23.

Who has confirmed it officially?

spurious · 08-03-2020 10:52AM

OMD wrote: »

People on Cruise Ships are generally older and more likely to be in an at risk group so again this indicates the overall death rate will be far lower than Italy is experiencing.

Most Cruise ships are kept very clean though, because of the ever present Norovirus threats, regardless of the coronavirus. Non stop the staff are cleaning railings, walls, anything people might be touching. If anything it shows good hygiene has a lot to do with battling this.

is_that_so · 08-03-2020 10:54AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The only difference between Italy and the rest of Europe is we are behind a couple of weeks.

I think we can probably say that Italy has screwed up, nowhere else has the same very rapid rise in cases.

US2 · 08-03-2020 10:54AM

Hearing of multiple cases in the east of the country, Drogheda.

Graces7 · 08-03-2020 10:54AM

Jade Gray Misogyny wrote: »

I was wondering about this. I live in Dublin city and am concerned for my eldest child who has a lung/ & liver condition and unable to fight respiratory infections. Was wondering if he would be better off going to stay with family in a rural area. What do you think?

I wondered about folk with holiday homes while this is in progress? Sounds good to me; less human contact and cleaner air.

john_doe. · 08-03-2020 10:54AM

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

I would agree. I think it's out there already much more than people think. Cork is a small place and it would spread easily. The Government has been poor but Michèal dithering about talks isn't helping. Meet again in a week or so sums him up and pbly sums up the lack of urgency in government. Should they not be meeting every waking hour to get a government formed??!! Shame on them.

Ya It has to be spreading in Cork. Can't explain where the guy got it from , which means there is someone most likely out there spreading it.

Then factor in this guy was in hospital with doctors , nurses who move patients between wards.

I'd imagine there are number infected in hospital itself , just not known yet.

sjb25 · 08-03-2020 10:54AM

silverharp wrote: »

taxis didn't give her a ride because she is Italian? or are they asking to see passports now?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx2IfiqWwAAVc-8.jpg

OMD · 08-03-2020 10:56AM

spurious wrote: »

Most Cruise ships are kept very clean though, because of the ever present Norovirus threats, regardless of the coronavirus. Non stop the staff are cleaning railings, walls, anything people might be touching. If anything it shows good hygiene has a lot to do with battling this.

And your evidence that staff cleaning railings stops spread of the virus is .......?

Anyway it didn't stop spread. Almost 700 people on the ship contracted the virus. The point is that of those who got the virus only 1% died.

ChikiChiki · 08-03-2020 10:56AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

19 that we know of. There's way more people walking around with it and not knowing.

This point seems to be lost on the "only 19 cases we are grand crowd".

Gynoid · 08-03-2020 10:56AM

1) I would like to congratulate South Korea on their drive through testing stations and good disease control. You clever efficient people.

2) I would like to congratulate everyone else on their secret super power for spotting Italians. I know a good few, and they look quite different from each other, some like Greeks, or Croatians, or Spanish, or Bulgarians etc etc. Persian even. South Americans. But people can definitively pick out Italians at 100 paces away on Grafton Street now. Impressive.

Bob24 · 08-03-2020 10:57AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The only difference between Italy and the rest of Europe is we are behind a couple of weeks.

And even less for some countries.
Predictions are a hard game but I’d say by the end of next weekend France will start doing similar things to what Italy did last night.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-03-2020 10:57AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think we can probably say that Italy has screwed up, nowhere else has the same very rapid rise in cases.

France had 350 new cases yesterday.

Germany nearly 400

Spain 98

Largest daily increases by far so far. All the graphs look exactly the same. No difference between Italy and the rest.

I'll post them later.

Now is the time for us to take action like Italy.

Cork Boy 53 · 08-03-2020 10:57AM

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

I would agree. I think it's out there already much more than people think. Cork is a small place and it would spread easily. The Government has been poor but Michèal dithering about talks isn't helping. Meet again in a week or so sums him up and pbly sums up the lack of urgency in government. Should they not be meeting every waking hour to get a government formed??!! Shame on them.

They should but this is more of the "sure everything will be grand" mentality that far too many people in this country have including politicians.

is_that_so · 08-03-2020 10:58AM

US2 wrote: »

Hearing of multiple cases in the east of the country, Drogheda.

Would that be via Reddit, Twitter, a bloke down the pub, your granny's fifth cousin or a credible official source? Think we heard yesterday that UCG was rife with it.

daheff · 08-03-2020 10:59AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think we can probably say that Italy has screwed up, nowhere else has the same very rapid rise in cases.

France is catching up fast 230+ new cases yesterday. Germany with 163. Give it a week and we'll be talking about them as much as Italy

https://news.qq.com/zt2020/page/feiyan.htm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#/global

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 10:59AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Y'all ready for Drogheda to make the news?

Apparently there's 4 suspected cases in the hospital at the moment.

Where did you hear that? Has to of been a medical source?

Funsterdelux · 08-03-2020 10:59AM

1641 wrote: »

It is a bit apples and oranges,though. Macau has roughly just over half the population of greater Dublin (700,000) and a population density of 21,340 per kilometre. Dublin's density is not much more that 1/10 of that -4,588 per km. And that is not to include the rest of this country.

Apples and oranges are both a type of fruit, Macausians(i just made that up) and the Irish are both humans. Its the thought that counts as it were of trying to do something for gods sake.

Economically though, cancelling the parade wouldnt be as drastic as closing macau for 2 weeks.

Do you want the parade to go ahead? I wont be going anyway near a crowd for the foreseeable future.

ChurchtownMan · 08-03-2020 10:59AM

Bob24 wrote: »

I think this thread shows that slowly more people are understanding that it is not a minor issue though.

There are still a few but you don’t see as many “the common flue kills many more people than Covid 19 each year” type of comments anymore.

True that. While having to repeat myself, less than 48 hours ago, people were accusing me of trolling when elucidating some of the harsher truths that today are front page of the papers, or a shutdown of an modern country many of us know that is triple the size of Ireland in population and economy.

Someone posted a while back a link on Normalcy Bias. This has been the strong force preventing many from understanding the magnitude of what faces the world. No one posting here has had to deal with anything of its like, in motality, overrun of public services, or economic destruction, that faces the world. Not many here have true recollections of the world wars, the Spanish flue, let alone the black death. Yet they happened. The reluctance to acknowledge events of such magnitude can truly happen is clouding people's views.

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 10:59AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Last week, every health professional I heard, who were asked, said St. Patrick's Day parades should be postponed.

I think Fianna Fáil was the only party, two weeks ago, who said that travel to northern Italy should be prohibited

“Regarding the situation for schools travelling to affected zones, I believe the Government should now issue a directive that such travel should not happen. While many parents and schools are individually cancelling travel, it would be useful for clear and unified action on this topic.”
fiannafail.ie/statement-from-fianna-fail-spokesperson-on-health-following-briefing-on-the-coronavirus/

It is a pity that that was not adhered to.

However we know that if Fine Gael had done so that the response would have been that this was hysterical scare mongering.

Graces7 · 08-03-2020 11:00AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Just read a good BBC article about what we can learn from Spanish flu.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200302-coronavirus-what-can-we-learn-from-the-spanish-flu

Great article, A while back I posted re a village in the UK way back in plague times. Eyam , in Derbyshire. When the Plague hit in the 1660s, they opted to cut themselves off totally to avoid spreading it further. Heroic.

Spearheaded by the local clergy who. like most of the village, died of the plague when they could have left and risked others.

See BBC programme " Eyam; Village of the Damned"

An Ri rua · 08-03-2020 11:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think we can probably say that Italy has screwed up, nowhere else has the same very rapid rise in cases.

That's a stupid comment. Italy has the highest number of expat Chinese of any European country, Northern Italy in particular, according to their Irish Ambassador on Radio 1.

What proof do you have to back up your daft statement that they 'screwed up'?

is_that_so · 08-03-2020 11:01AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France had 350 new cases yesterday.

Germany nearly 400

Spain 98

Largest daily increases by far so far. All the graphs look exactly the same. No difference between Italy and the rest.

I'll post them later.

Now is the time for us to take action like Italy.

It really isn't at 19 cases. That may well go a good bit higher but please stop encouraging people to live in a bad dystopian film.

Bob24 · 08-03-2020 11:01AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think we can probably say that Italy has screwed up, nowhere else has the same very rapid rise in cases.

Yes we can all agree Italy made a mess out of this. But still if you take French daily figures and match them to Italian figures a week earlier, the charts do seem to look awfully similar.

(I am taking France as an exemple as it is broadly a similar size and population, but I would put other European countries in the same basket)

harr · 08-03-2020 11:02AM

I was in kildare village shopping outlet yesterday and plenty of Chinese and Italians plus plenty of other nationalities knocking about. When I was leaving another bus load of Chinese tourists arrived. Business as usual It seems

daheff · 08-03-2020 11:03AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Economically though, cancelling the parade wouldnt be as drastic as closing macau for 2 weeks.

Do you want the parade to go ahead?

We did it before for foot & mouth. We can do it again and have it in the summer.

Anyways how much of an economic disaster would an out of control infection cause the country? If a load of tourists turn up, go home and end up sick they'll blame Ireland. The longer term reputational damage would have a greater impact than postponing this year's festival.

People will understand postponement....they mightn't forgive getting sick & passing on the infection.

ChurchtownMan · 08-03-2020 11:03AM

McGiver wrote: »

All,

Can you please write to your councillors and TDs and complain that the attitude of HSE and media is simply unacceptable?

The intentional obscurity in reporting where new cases are located and total lack of transparency from the government and the HSE is disgraceful, it simply cannot happen in developed western European country. Most other European countries do not behave this way and report cases in detail.

We need to bombard them with emails and demand transparency.

Lack of transparency is one of the root causes of corruption and poor governance in this country. The more transparency there is the more inconvenient and difficult is to do corruption and the more easier is to hold the government accountable as well. Transparency is essential in properly functioning democratic governance to enable good outcomes.

Thank you all.

Nonsense. While it may frustrate the permananently Outraged of The Internet, this is nothing to do with transparency. Authorities will not release information simply as fuel for an avid twitter stream, or rubberneckers.
The authorities are doing their best in unprecedentedly difficult circumstances, and one that they fundamentally cannot win. 'Transparency' has nothing to do with the health care of the nation. In contrast, the lack of it, is being taken for very good and responsible reasons.

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP