Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

08-03-2020 09:15AM

Bob24 wrote: »

I think cruise companies might be in deep trouble and soon enough all cruises globally might have to be cancelled for a period of time.

That would be a real benefit to our earth. Huge polluters.

caveat emptor · 08-03-2020 09:16AM

hairyslug wrote: »

There are a few good reports knocking around that not temperature but humidity could help as mucus will not longer in the air as long.

I've read this too. Experts still don't know /agree why Flu recedes in summer.
That would mean it is borne of the air in some instances though. I'm careful to follow the thread rule me.

6. Terms such as "sinus", "airborne", "aerosol" have little relevance at this time in this jurisdiction. Ultimately though if cases are discovered in Ireland please pay attention to the relevant authorities and what they advise/recommend, and not some randomer(s) on the internet

Bob24 · 08-03-2020 09:16AM

pc7 wrote: »

The scenes on the news of people rushing to get trains out of red zone in Italy last night are a joke. Packed trains likely spreading it now to the rest of Italy and elsewhere.

Shows the government hasn’t yet grasped what it is dealing with. If they don’t restrict cars, buses, trains, and planes going out of the “locked down” area from today on their so-called lockdown will have little effect.

And as you said it might even have the opposite effect of the one intended if people panic leave the area en masse and spread out in the rest of the country.

pc7 · 08-03-2020 09:17AM

We just have to hope the Italian decision wakes other countries like ours up and now. Act now. Slow this bloody thing down before it gets to a stage where our health services are overwhelmed. Also that people start being more aware of their hygiene.

sjb25 · 08-03-2020 09:18AM

Ok I’m done with the world this has to be a joke

https://twitter.com/Frolencewalters/status/1236111703227502597?s=20

Tordelback · 08-03-2020 09:19AM

Reati wrote: »

. Circa 104,000 cases worldwide is about 0.00139% of the global population. You wouldn't put money on against odds like those.

How many cases d'you reckon we'd be at now if China hadn't gone Full Totalitarian almost instantly?

You talk as if these small numbers are simply additive, when in fact without serious intervention they are the seeds of exponential growth, like the first few grains of rice on that chessboard.

Bob24 · 08-03-2020 09:20AM

1882 wrote: »

That would be a real benefit to our earth. Huge polluters.

Cruise ships pollute a lot, but the same can be said about many things so targeting them in isolation isn’t really fair. For exemple if someone who is regularly buying fruits and veggies which came here on container ships probably pollutes much more doing this than someone going on a cruise once a year but buying local fruits and vegetables (especially of the goods come from as far as South America or Africa).

drunkmonkey · 08-03-2020 09:20AM

pc7 wrote: »

We just have to hope the Italian decision wakes other countries like ours up and now. Act now. Slow this bloody thing down before it gets to a stage where our health services are overwhelmed.

I thought there already overwhelmed before this even started.

Away With The Fairies · 08-03-2020 09:21AM

sjb25 wrote: »

Ok I’m done with the world this has to be a joke

https://twitter.com/Frolencewalters/status/1236111703227502597?s=20

Clearly not afraid of catching the virus by fighting and touching.

whiskeyman · 08-03-2020 09:23AM

Cheltenham and St Patrick's Day going ahead seem even more absurd now after Italian quarantine decision.

drunkmonkey · 08-03-2020 09:23AM

75% of Italian deaths are under 62
https://twitter.com/Dr_FarrisD/status/1236057723621568512?s=20

caveat emptor · 08-03-2020 09:24AM

I think we have a huge challenge and the whole of society needs to act.

Every country that has had an outbreak has been completely hamstrung economically / financially etc.

I sympathise with everyone on here but I'm not naive. Approaching it as if it doesn't exist or saying it won't be that bad here will only get you so far.

Keeping a positive mindset is super important. If you feel that ST Patricks day , parades , events , gatherings are irresponsible at this stage then there is an onus on all of us to make that be know to the relevant authorities. Unfortunately our politicians are reactive and not proactive on this issue it seems.

I'd also say we should bear in mind business owners who potentially face devastating consequences if shut downs occur which they likely will. We should push for tax payments to be suspended, mortgage freezes and any other mitigation we can think of. (these are some which have been done in Italy so far.)

We need to put on the green jersey now rather than later. When it gets bad there'll be plenty of people telling you to take one for the team. I'd rather take it now and be real about it.

Away With The Fairies · 08-03-2020 09:24AM

What is exponential growth?

DOCARCH · 08-03-2020 09:26AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What is exponential growth?

E.g. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128....etc., etc.

As opposed to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6....etc., etc. (which would be linear growth).

ChikiChiki · 08-03-2020 09:27AM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Cheltenham and St Patrick's Day going ahead seem even more absurd now after Italian quarantine decision.

Have a feeling our crowd are looking at the fact Cheltenham is going ahead and will justify their decision with that. Unfortunately will be two weeks before the fallout of that decision becomes apparent.

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 09:28AM

pc7 wrote: »

We just have to hope the Italian decision wakes other countries like ours up and now. Act now. Slow this bloody thing down before it gets to a stage where our health services are overwhelmed. Also that people start being more aware of their hygiene.

I fear it won’t..

Who (months ago). Countries need to prepare themselves and their people
Countries: There is none here, very low probability, nothing to see

Who as it continues to spread: Countries need to be proactive and take measures before it arrives
Countries: Ah we do take this serious but money and economy

People in countries: There are no people infected
WHO: You Need to have vast testing like South Korea to get a real idea of how fast it’s spreading
People In country regardless of testing amount: But there’s none here!

People in countries: There is only one person infected
WHO: But this grows exponentially
People in countries: There is only one death in the country
WHO: But this most likely means the virus has been spreading for weeks

People in countries: This is really inconvenient and annoying (still in denial)
Official figures jump one or two days after proper widespread testing starts - people panic because they were under the impression everything is under control

08-03-2020 09:28AM

Bob24 wrote: »

Cruise ships pollute a lot, but the same can be said about many things. For exemple of someone is regularly buying fruits and veggies which came her on container ships they probably pollute more doing this than someone going on a cruise once a year but buying local fruits and vegetables.

I was commenting on your post about cruise ships, not a persons carbon footprint, and container shipping like many things, is a totally different topic.

McGiver · 08-03-2020 09:30AM

All,

Can you please write to your councillors and TDs and complain that the attitude of HSE and media is simply unacceptable?

The intentional obscurity in reporting where new cases are located and total lack of transparency from the government and the HSE is disgraceful, it simply cannot happen in developed western European country. Most other European countries do not behave this way and report cases in detail.

We need to bombard them with emails and demand transparency.

Lack of transparency is one of the root causes of corruption and poor governance in this country. The more transparency there is the more inconvenient and difficult is to do corruption and the more easier is to hold the government accountable as well. Transparency is essential in properly functioning democratic governance to enable good outcomes.

Thank you all.

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 09:30AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

75% of Italian deaths are under 62
https://twitter.com/Dr_FarrisD/status/1236057723621568512?s=20

Yeh but that’s not coming here cause somebody doesn’t think it.

Roll on EPL weekend , Cheltenham and Patrick’s day but remember to keep your 2 meter distance at these events.

whiskeyman · 08-03-2020 09:32AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

75% of Italian deaths are under 62
https://twitter.com/Dr_FarrisD/status/1236057723621568512?s=20

That's a frightening stat, but doesn't mention if they had underlying health condition?

Volthar · 08-03-2020 09:33AM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Cheltenham and St Patrick's Day going ahead seem even more absurd now after Italian quarantine decision.

I think one of the reasons Wuhan was affected so bad was that they allowed their massive festival to go ahead despite the infection. Wife and I are working from home and I am going to keep my kids at home for at least 2 weeks after the parade.

Darc19 · 08-03-2020 09:33AM

I don't understand the scaremongering about the parades.

It's not as if 200,000 people are all in a single stadium. (I never believe the exaggerated 500,000+ figures)

They are spread over a very large area.

Why not close grafton street.

Now local parade organizers are being pressured by the know alls to cancel.

These have small gatherings no more than 2 or 3 deep.

Utterly overhyped with little rational thinking going on.

US2 · 08-03-2020 09:33AM

China must be delighted this disease put an end to all the riots and protests in Hong Kong..

pc7 · 08-03-2020 09:34AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What is exponential growth?

Someone I can’t remember who posted this previously and it’s a great example https://medium.com/@purposefocuscommitment/the-rice-and-the-chess-board-story-the-power-of-exponential-growth-b1f7bd70aaca

08-03-2020 09:35AM

US2 wrote: »

China must be delighted this disease put an end to all the riots and protests in Hong Kong..

:rolleyes:

Volthar · 08-03-2020 09:35AM

Tordelback wrote: »

How many cases d'you reckon we'd be at now if China hadn't gone Full Totalitarian almost instantly?

You talk as if these small numbers are simply additive, when in fact without serious intervention they are the seeds of exponential growth, like the first few grains of rice on that chessboard.

I agree. I would like to add that if it was them or their family members that suffer, they would not think of it as just a small and insignificant number.

Bob24 · 08-03-2020 09:36AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh but that’s not coming here cause somebody doesn’t think it.

Roll on EPL weekend , Cheltenham and Patrick’s day but remember to keep your 2 meter distance at these events.

I think this thread shows that slowly more people are understanding that it is not a minor issue though.

There are still a few but you don’t see as many “the common flue kills many more people than Covid 19 each year” type of comments anymore.

antodeco · 08-03-2020 09:38AM

Darc19 wrote: »

I don't understand the scaremongering about the parades.

It's not as if 200,000 people are all in a single stadium. (I never believe the exaggerated 500,000+ figures)

They are spread over a very large area.

Why not close grafton street.

Now local parade organizers are being pressured by the know alls to cancel.

These have small gatherings no more than 2 or 3 deep.

Utterly overhyped with little rational thinking going on.

Have you ever been in the city centre on St Patrick's Day?

To cross Grafton Street (I don't mean walk down it I mean literally cross it) on a normal day would take about 15 seconds. On At Patrick's Day this can take about 2 minutes. Why? Because it is rammed solid with people. Unfortunately it's a large volume of people spread out over a large everywhere. There are people covering every foot of ground in the city. If someone has Covid19, thousands could end up with it very easily

circadian · 08-03-2020 09:39AM

McGiver wrote: »

All,

Can you please write to your councillors and TDs and complain that the attitude of HSE and media is simply unacceptable?

The intentional obscurity in reporting where new cases are located and total lack of transparency from the government and the HSE is disgraceful, it simply cannot happen in developed western European country. Most other European countries do not behave this way and report cases in detail.

We need to bombard them with emails and demand transparency.

Lack of transparency is one of the root causes of corruption and poor governance in this country. The more transparency there is the more inconvenient and difficult is to do corruption and the more easier is to hold the government accountable as well. Transparency is essential in properly functioning democratic governance to enable good outcomes.

Thank you all.

Phone them. Constantly, call their offices. Emails will simply be ignored and given what we're dealing with protests seem to be very counter productive so the government has that to hide behind. Literally anything else and people mobilising on the streets would put pressure on them but clearly not a good idea in this case.

If you're worries about the direction we're heading call your TDs, all of them, regardless of vote and do it regularly.

ChikiChiki · 08-03-2020 09:39AM

Darc19 wrote: »

I don't understand the scaremongering about the parades.

It's not as if 200,000 people are all in a single stadium. (I never believe the exaggerated 500,000+ figures)

They are spread over a very large area.

Why not close grafton street.

Now local parade organizers are being pressured by the know alls to cancel.

These have small gatherings no more than 2 or 3 deep.

Utterly overhyped with little rational thinking going on.

There is little rational thinking going on in the mind of anyone who thinks we should hold the parades and festivities in Dublin.

If it's for solely financial reasons i.e tourism cash cow then that is a very short term outlook.

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP