Lizzo and "body positivity"

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 05:00PM

This is it wrote: »

Imagining something to be outraged by. While I don't agree with KiKi's posts, they're at least relevant and coherent.

That’s the nicest thing anyone’s said to me all weekend.

Raconteuse · 07-03-2020 08:05PM

Wow the dishonesty, misrepresentations, strawmen and ad hominems on this thread. And they ain't from the critics of Lizzo. A good deal of cop on and calm down needed. The above is not debating and if I were a mod I'd try and put a stop to it, because it's not YouTube - standards should be higher here. When you're resorting to the Cathy Newman tactic ("So what you're saying is" when nothing of the sort was said) you are unable to argue rationally.

Tell me what is the problem with being of the view that body positivity is not appropriate in relation to a body that is 8.5 to ten stone overweight. Go on, tell me. This greatly increases the risk of arthritis, diabetes, heart conditions, some cancers (breast cancer especially), sleep apnoea and early death. And she's only 32 - if she continues to eat that much she'll be on a collision course to a very early death. And this is met with geniuses saying that it's hurling insults at her. Wtf? There are also people saying there's only a concern with how she looks - when it's right in front of their eyes what the health concerns are. And nobody said she shouldn't continue to perform and should be wrapped up in bubble wrap or whatever it was that nobody said. Amy Winehouse was emaciated, a heroin addict and an alcoholic. It was ok to say she looked horrifically unwell (which she did) yet that wasn't viewed as a declaration that she should be stopped from performing etc. And above all, she didn't state "I'm positive with my body".

I think Lizzo should perform away but if you say something to the public, you are inviting response opinions. It might not necessarily make people think it would be great to become obese, but obesity is a rising public health problem so normalisation of it - just no. Really despise too when people say "you don't care about the health aspect - you just don't like how it looks". Firstly, nobody can ****ing read my mind, and actually I do care about the health aspect. I worry someone I care about may not see 40. In my opinion too, the obsession with being thin thankfully isn't as bad as it was when I was a kid/teen in the 90s. It's more fringe now - it was very mainstream then. More about being gym buff now.

If she were just not perfectly slim, then it would be crappy but Lizzo isn't a stone or half stone overweight, which is very manageable - she's way way beyond that. Yet people are pretending she's just got a small bit of extra weight. She's obese - it's literally how she is, it's a medical term but the nonsense term "curvy" is getting used. "Curvy" is Beyonce or Scarlett Johanssen.

But absolutely nobody has said or even hinted that Lizzo should be thin (people at a healthy weight aren't always thin) and have a perfectly sculpted rock hard body, or that all who aren't like that should be exterminated (it gets so silly) or that she should be mocked/bullied, or that every woman who doesn't look like Margot Robbie should be shunned (yep, really really silly - trolling frankly). Lack of mention of emaciated models on this thread does not mean being ok with them ffs, nowhere was it hinted that not giving men a stiffy is the only issue and that that sums up the attitude of men to women here (really, it's fairly insane stuff being pulled) or that - Jesus Christ - a starvation diet would be endorsed. Not one person even implied that being scarily thin is to be celebrated.

The above is just stuff being pulled out of certain orifices - it's not based on anything that was actually said. And MakingMovies seems to think that being really open-minded towards some, means hurling insults at and making stuff up about others. Also, it's as if there's Lizzo's size or very slim/thin and that's it. Nothing in between. Which again is poor, disingenuous arguing.

KiKi III wrote: »

Do you feel as strongly about other health issues? In the pub, do you get this annoyed about a fella going up for his eight pint? Do you lecture your friends who are smokers?

It’s easy to get judgemental about obesity. There are plenty of other health issues, why are you hung up on this one?

You're asking all those questions based on the assumption that the answer is no, they don't care about those other concerns - why wouldn't they? Where is the evidence that they're only "hung up" (a discrediting phrase btw) on this issue? I absolutely do think excessive drinking is a huge concern. And smoking is stupid.

It's the opposite situation that I don't get - express concern over smoking, excessive drinking, drug abuse, cooking yourself in the sun, starving yourself... and rightly so. But concern about morbid obesity and the myriad of associated health issues - that's bullying?

KiKi III wrote: »

Honestly, who are you to judge her?.

Who is anyone to judge anyone/thing? We all judge, including you.

I'm not perfectly slim and toned - I've wobbly bits. I'm pasty. Ive black hair. I'm a non Margot Robbie (guess what, most women are). I'm not seeing anyone insist I be exterminated or shunned or wrapped in bubble wrap. The body positivity message was originally aimed at people like me - most people. It was about not being unhappy because you've wobbly, saggy, flabby bits, cellulite (all can be found on people of a healthy weight) or because you're not size eight. It emerged at the time of ultra thin models like Kate Moss and Jodie Kidd being all the rage. It was not about being positive with obesity though.

I know some here are saying insulting things about Lizzo but those who simply say body positivity isn't appropriate regarding 22 stone are not doing the same thing.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 07-03-2020 08:10PM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I just Googled to see who this was.

I recommend not doing the same. Jesus fcuking christ.

For the love of sweet baby Jesus, I done it, I googled her and the sudden weight on my laptop has just broken both my legs :mad:

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 08:14PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

I see her more as a role model that a female singer can find fame, success and acclaim without being a female Hercules. She didn't achieve mainstream success until the age of 31. Think of the uphill struggle she's faced as a plus size woman of colour. It's testament to her spirit and musical ability. I guess some can only see her body though. Says everything you need to know about them.

I’m thinking she’d struggle going up any hill :pac:

Utter nonsense to suggest that her appearance would have been a disadvantage in terms of her career when there have been an abundance of fat black women in the music industry throughout modern history. Her musical ability is frankly overshadowed by her opinions that there is anything to be proud of in being grossly overweight.

It’s not a question of “some only seeing her body” at all, it’s her that’s putting it out there in the first place and giving it welly about self-love and all the rest of it, which absolutely begs the question - if one genuinely does love themselves, then why would they do that to themselves? Why would they attempt to encourage other people to do that to themselves or encourage other people to view morbid obesity as healthy or something to be loved or celebrated? It’s not an achievement worthy of any recognition whatsoever.

All it is, is testament to utter stupidity.

I don’t have to be Adonis to say that, because I’m not putting myself out there in the public eye promoting obesity as a legitimate lifestyle choice for anyone. It should absolutely be discouraged and I would criticise anyone promoting an ideology which suggested that people who are morbidly obese deserve to be loved or whatever nonsense their ideology consists of. People who are morbidly obese deserve help, not encouragement to become even more obese.

It says everything I need to know about this Lizzo character when the earlier post of her in a bikini reminded me of Martin Lawrence in a fat suit in Big Mommas House -

I regard this Lizzo one in the same vein - her ideas are only worthy of ridicule, and when she foists herself into the public eye as an example of the ideas she is attempting to spread, then she makes herself a legitimate target for criticism. That’s very different to the way you’re trying to suggest that anyone who isn’t perfect isn’t entitled to criticise someone who is attempting to portray a dangerous philosophy as a benign message of self-acceptance and self-love and all the rest of that garbage.

07-03-2020 08:25PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Wow the dishonesty, misrepresentations, strawmen and ad hominems on this thread. And they ain't from the critics of Lizzo. A good deal of cop on and calm down needed. The above is not debating and if I were a mod I'd try and put a stop to it, because it's not YouTube - standards should be higher here. When you're resorting to the Cathy Newman tactic ("So what you're saying is" when nothing of the sort was said) you are unable to argue rationally.

Which have largely sprung from the one poster. No one is arguing that Lizzo's excessive frame is an unhealthy body image to be promoted, and quite deservedly receives a modicum of criticism. Instead there are repeated efforts at diverting the thread into cul de sacs, i.e. "but what about anoxeric models". It's a narrow-minded practice, repeatedly shifting the goalposts to evade any notion of accountability. Alas, we have been here several times before and I don't expect that tactic to disappear anytime soon. Particularly when a gargantuan (go ahead, twist that word) ego can't accept their side of the debate has all but foundered.

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 08:33PM

@Raconteuse (don’t think I spelled that right?)

When I said “Who are you to judge her”, I was responding to a poster who explicitly said she should be ashamed of the horrible life choices that led her to the body she has.

My point was that her life choices have included a huge deal of hard work to get where she is today and honing her considerable to achieve incredible success. So I’d say she’s made some pretty strong life choices.

And she’s not claiming it’s healthy to be the weight she is. What she says, uncontroversially enough, is that health is a matter for you and your doctor. She also says she has a daily gym routine, but that people frequently refuse to believe her on that.

The whale memes etc are very uncharitable.

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 08:43PM

KiKi III wrote: »

And she’s not claiming it’s healthy to be the weight she is. What she says, uncontroversially enough, is that health is a matter for you and your doctor.

It’s controversial when you’re a public figure contradicting everything that public health bodies who are responsible for the public’s health are trying to promote.

KiKi III wrote: »

She also says she has a daily gym routine, but that people frequently refuse to believe her on that.

The whale memes etc are very uncharitable.

Is anyone actually surprised that people would refuse to believe her? Clearly something isn’t kosher.

anewme · 07-03-2020 08:43PM

KiKi III wrote: »

The whale memes etc are very uncharitable.

I must be the only one who does not like Lizzo music...particularly the one played to death in the Boots ad.

But you are right on that. Not necessary really.

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 08:46PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s controversial when you’re a public figure contradicting everything that public health bodies who are responsible for the public’s health are trying to promote.

Is anyone actually surprised that people would refuse to believe her? Clearly something isn’t kosher.

Again, any celeb seen on regular nights out consuming more than the recommended 14 units of alcohol is contradicting everything we know from public health officials. Rihanna with her rock hard abs has been pictured with guys pouring bottles of straight vodka down her neck and it doesn’t stir the same controversy.

Galwayguy35 · 07-03-2020 09:15PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Oh, please. Is that a serious question?

It is.

So tell me who outside the fashion industry is saying the anorexic size zero look is a good one?

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 09:18PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It is.

So tell me who outside the fashion industry is saying the anorexic size zero look is a good one?

I refer you to the article I posted above where Demi Lovato’s management team removed fruit from hotel rooms because it was too much sugar and wouldn’t let her have a slice of cake on her birthday, lest she put on a pound.

Jennifer Lawrence has spoken at length about being to lose weight for roles even though she’s never been anything but slim.

There are hundreds - probably thousands - of examples of women who absolutely didn’t need to being told to lose weight and slim down to unhealthy levels.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2020 09:20PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It is.

So tell me who outside the fashion industry is saying the anorexic size zero look is a good one?

Its not a look its the way some people naturally are.

Plumbthedepths · 07-03-2020 09:22PM

I can't think of one positive connected with morbid obesity.

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 09:25PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Again, any celeb seen on regular nights out consuming more than the recommended 14 units of alcohol is contradicting everything we know from public health officials. Rihanna with her rock hard abs has been pictured with guys pouring bottles of straight vodka down her neck and it doesn’t stir the same controversy.

The difference being though that they’re not promoting what they’re doing as healthy or self-loving or any of the rest of that stuff. They acknowledge that they are courting controversy and they regularly come in for criticism for their behaviours and attitudes. It stirs even greater controversy each and every time they do it, and that’s exactly why they do it.

I don’t see this one as any different - I don’t imagine she is so deluded that she doesn’t realise there is money and notoriety to be gained for herself for promoting her nonsense. Just because she chooses to couch it in euphemisms and rhetoric which attempts to elevate her attitude as something virtuous, doesn’t mean she is actually doing anyone any favours. Her whole shtick appears to be more about self-promotion as opposed to promoting an ideology anyone should be obligated to take seriously.

Galwayguy35 · 07-03-2020 09:31PM

KiKi III wrote: »

I refer you to the article I posted above where Demi Lovato’s management team removed fruit from hotel rooms because it was too much sugar and wouldn’t let her have a slice of cake on her birthday, lest she put on a pound.

Jennifer Lawrence has spoken at length about being to lose weight for roles even though she’s never been anything but slim.

There are hundreds - probably thousands - of examples of women who absolutely didn’t need to being told to lose weight and slim down to unhealthy levels.

The movie industry is much like the fashion industry putting pressure on actors and models and as I said in the previous post it's not a healthy look.

You said it was being glorified though and I don't know anyone in society who does that.

There is nothing healthy about being morbidly obese either, if this person is happy being like that it's her business but it shouldn't be seen as anything positive.

Galwayguy35 · 07-03-2020 09:32PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not a look its the way some people naturally are.

Do you even read the posts you quote?

meeeeh · 07-03-2020 09:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which have largely sprung from the one poster. No one is arguing that Lizzo's excessive frame is an unhealthy body image to be promoted, and quite deservedly receives a modicum of criticism. Instead there are repeated efforts at diverting the thread into cul de sacs, i.e. "but what about anoxeric models". It's a narrow-minded practice, repeatedly shifting the goalposts to evade any notion of accountability. Alas, we have been here several times before and I don't expect that tactic to disappear anytime soon. Particularly when a gargantuan (go ahead, twist that word) ego can't accept their side of the debate has all but foundered.

You know what is the actual problem? It's the fat that offends people. It's not about weight or how unhealthy she is people find her offensively overweight and that's why they comment on her weight. Let's not pretend it's about health and body positivity is not about health. It's about the right if overweight and probably unhealthy people not to be sneered at and their weight being every one else concern.

Do you approach someone on their 12th drink in the pub and start lecturing them how unhealthy their drinking is? If it doesn't manifest itself in the huge gut it doesn't matter. It's just the fat people who everyone feels the need to comment on. Not because you care about them but because they offend you. They are the only group that people see as an easy target. Body positivity is not about being healthy it's about them being treated with dignity no matter how they look.

But yeah let's keep pretending it's all about health...

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2020 09:41PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Do you even read the posts you quote?

Its not a look. Its the way a lot of women naturally look. Particularly girls aged 14 - 20 who are going to be tall. They tend to grow upwards first.

The fashion industry HAS diversified over the last few years. There are different bodytypes on the catwalk now.

There are different body types in vogue editorials. And its been subtle not something you would notice its not for brownie points.

Margo Robbie is not size zero.

Vogue Italia.

This anorexic look as you call it ..is just the way some girls are and they are beautiful too. Its not their fault some other women have low self esteem.

Also the above women while being curvy LOOK HEALTHY!

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2020 09:44PM

I mean you could say the most beautiful women in the world thread on AH promotes eating disorders. You don't get many curvy gals in there. And if they are posted they often get nasty comments.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2020 09:45PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Do you approach someone on their 12th drink in the pub and start lecturing them how unhealthy their drinking is?

...

I actually do. Or i rant about it on social media and drugs.

But i do understand its not as simple as that.
I have issues myself ..partic with sugar. I would like to work on that.

You would never think to look at me i binge eat on sugar ...but i do and its a problem.

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 09:52PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Body positivity is not about being healthy it's about them being treated with dignity no matter how they look.

But yeah let's keep pretending it's all about health...

If ‘body positivity’ was about treating people with dignity no matter how they look, then why are it’s primary advocates grossly obese women preaching that society needs to accept them? It’s they who need society to accept them, not society that needs to accept them at all. The same sort of paradigm shift is prevalent in all sorts of social justice contexts as though society has the problem, and not the minority of people trying to promote and normalise their nonsense ideas.

meeeeh · 07-03-2020 09:59PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If ‘body positivity’ was about treating people with dignity no matter how they look, then why are it’s primary advocates grossly obese women preaching that society needs to accept them? It’s they who need society to accept them, not society that needs to accept them at all. The same sort of paradigm shift is prevalent in all sorts of social justice contexts as though society has the problem, and not the minority of people trying to promote and normalise their nonsense ideas.

One of the main body positivity advocates is Jameela Jamil who is anything but obese (I'm not saying she is not annoying btw, this has nothing to do with who is annoying). The fact you only notice obese body positivity people exactly shows your bias. It's not what they say it's how they look that offends you. There are plenty of slim women who would say exactly the same it's only the fat ones you want to stay quiet in the corner. Thanks for proving my point.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2020 09:59PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If ‘body positivity’ was about treating people with dignity no matter how they look, then why are it’s primary advocates grossly obese women preaching that society needs to accept them?

In a way you have a point.

The fashion industry though has been trying to include disabled people and people with facial deformities as models.

Loreal has hired katie piper.

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 10:02PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If ‘body positivity’ was about treating people with dignity no matter how they look, then why are it’s primary advocates grossly obese women preaching that society needs to accept them? It’s they who need society to accept them, not society that needs to accept them at all. The same sort of paradigm shift is prevalent in all sorts of social justice contexts as though society has the problem, and not the minority of people trying to promote and normalise their nonsense ideas.

Surely society should accept everyone?

Maybe with the exception of paedos? There should be no body size large or small that results in society not accepting you. There should be no body size that means you’re unworthy of love, or that you shouldn’t love yourself.

Basic respect and human dignity should be available to all. It doesn’t mean we’re encouraging obesity.

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 10:18PM

meeeeh wrote: »

One of the main body positivity advocates is Jameela Jamil who is anything but obese (I'm not saying she is not annoying btw, this has nothing to do with who is annoying). The fact you only notice obese body positivity people exactly shows your bias. It's not what they say it's how they look that offends you. There are plenty of slim women who would say exactly the same it's only the fat ones you want to stay quiet in the corner. Thanks for proving my point.

If I changed my name to ‘Bandwagon’, Jameela Jamil would try and jump on me, that’s just the sort of person she is :pac:

No, the fact is that I notice the majority of proponents of this ‘body positivity’ stuff are grossly obese women. I notice them not because of their appearance, but because of their outrageous opinions. Not every fat woman is an idiot, or a “body positivity” advocate if you prefer. There really aren’t plenty of slim women who would say exactly the same thing, that’s why they aren’t noticed.

You really don’t have any sort of a point about my bias when this was my very first post in this thread -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I find it hard to believe you find that hard to believe

Meh, honestly I’m a fan of the larger ladies, but I’m not so deluded as to imagine it’s in any way healthy or that there’s anything positive about it beyond a sexual fetish.

I’m just glad I’m a guy and a fat fcuk like me doesn’t come in for anything near the same amount of scrutiny and “concerns for my health” as women :pac:

LirW · 07-03-2020 10:22PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If ‘body positivity’ was about treating people with dignity no matter how they look, then why are it’s primary advocates grossly obese women preaching that society needs to accept them? It’s they who need society to accept them, not society that needs to accept them at all. The same sort of paradigm shift is prevalent in all sorts of social justice contexts as though society has the problem, and not the minority of people trying to promote and normalise their nonsense ideas.

The issue that the vast majority of obese people have is that they're completely dehumanised. I posted about this before, they're seen as disgusting people with no value as a living, breathing thing. They're aware that they're way too big, they hear from all sides the many "fool proof" ways of losing weight and becoming a size 4.
If you're told day in, day out, that because of your appearance you are exactly that: a fat ball of uselessness that's just a loser because you're not counting your weight watchers points correctly; have you any idea what this does to a person? Despite feeling **** about themselves already, they feel more **** that they're treated like human dirt, they're not worthy of love or nice things that apparently you can only exclusively have of you maintain a certain weight.

In a huge number of cases obesity is closely tied to mental health, trauma, physical illness and habits that are established in childhood. You need professional help to do this. Surgery is hugely invasive and leaves you with only being able to eat a very restricted diet. Help is very expensive and if you're obese and working on it, chances of relapsing are high due to the way your brain works. It's a long process, you don't do a miracle 90 day transformation, it takes years with constant, professional help to get a grip on it and permanently change your life.
An obese person can't turn into a normal person overnight. Many have given up because they tried many times, failed and get absolutely no encouragement despite some unhelpful "but you'll be dead tomorrow if you go on like that" comments.

The reason why dedicated personal trainers and therapists are so effective is because they don't just give up on you, they know about the relapses and the bumps on this journey and don't put you down as useless, fat slob like the rest of the people around you.

To sum it up: obese people are just as worthy of respect and love as human beings as the rest of us. Being obese doesn't define them and they're very aware of their obesity. Body positivity is more about accepting yourself as person and who you are right now, it's a journey like so many other things in life, since you can't change it overnight. If you love yourself to begin with and are more resilient to the harsh outside criticism, your chances are a lot higher that you'll be able to turn things around for yourself because you don't slip back into self-hatred if you have a relapse or are progressing slower than expected.
It doesn't dictate that you have to find this attractive or that this is something people should aspire to become.
For the ones that are there already or the ones that will never be a size 6 due to health reasons for example, it's hugely helpful to accept and embrace and that they're just as worthy of love and respect like a size 6 who despite being a size 16 and on life-improving hormones (I can tell you from my own experience, hormone therapy-induced weight fluctuations are really horrible and take a toll on your self-esteem).

Woke Hogan · 07-03-2020 10:24PM

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Alright then Yeats, what will you call her?

Wavy, like the ocean.

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 10:27PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Surely society should accept everyone?

Maybe with the exception of paedos? There should be no body size large or small that results in society not accepting you. There should be no body size that means you’re unworthy of love, or that you shouldn’t love yourself.

Basic respect and human dignity should be available to all. It doesn’t mean we’re encouraging obesity.

You’re encouraging obesity if you’re promoting the idea that society should come round to the idea that obesity shouldn’t be discouraged, that it should be something to embrace and celebrate as though it is something to be aspired to.

I’m all for basic respect and human dignity and so on, but don’t expect I should respect people who I believe are promoting dangerous nonsense.

KiKi III · 07-03-2020 10:33PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You’re encouraging obesity if you’re promoting the idea that society should come round to the idea that obesity shouldn’t be discouraged, that it should be something to embrace and celebrate as though it is something to be aspired to.

I’m all for basic respect and human dignity and so on, but don’t expect I should respect people who I believe are promoting dangerous nonsense.

We’ll agree to disagree. I aim to accept, respect and extend dignity to pretty much everyone. That’s how I think society should work.

I think there’s a huge gap between acceptance and encouraging a lifestyle. I’d be accepting of all kinds of sexual kinks while not wishing to encourage them across society. There’s a difference between the two.

One eyed Jack · 07-03-2020 10:52PM

LirW wrote: »

In a huge number of cases obesity is closely tied to mental health, trauma, physical illness and habits that are established in childhood. You need professional help to do this. Surgery is hugely invasive and leaves you with only being able to eat a very restricted diet. Help is very expensive and if you're obese and working on it, chances of relapsing are high due to the way your brain works. It's a long process, you don't do a miracle 90 day transformation, it takes years with constant, professional help to get a grip on it and permanently change your life.
An obese person can't turn into a normal person overnight. Many have given up because they tried many times

I agree with this much - obesity and eating disorders are a symptom of an underlying mental health issue related to self-image and self-esteem, and people should be encouraged to seek professional help. “Body positivity” advocates like Tess Munster don’t promote this approach though, they attempt to promote the idea that “society” are the people with the problem, not fat people at all. “Society” doesn’t accept this, or that or the other. The same argument could be applied in a number of different contexts - “society” is the problem, not the individual that actually has a problem.

LirW wrote: »

To sum it up: obese people are just as worthy of respect and love as human beings as the rest of us. Being obese doesn't define them and they're very aware of their obesity. Body positivity is more about accepting yourself as person and who you are right now, it's a journey like so many other things in life, since you can't change it overnight. If you love yourself to begin with and are more resilient to the harsh outside criticism, your chances are a lot higher that you'll be able to turn things around for yourself because you don't slip back into self-hatred if you have a relapse or are progressing slower than expected.

On the contrary, they define themselves by their obesity, by making the point that they are as deserving of love and respect and all the rest of it in spite of being obese, and for some, they imagine themselves more worthy of love and respect because they are obese. Either way, they want validation from others because self-love simply isn’t enough.

That’s why there are public figures like Lizzo and Tess Munster on the cover of Vogue and companies like Gillette have identified new ways to make people who are already insecure about themselves feel even more inadequate and look for validation from anyone and anywhere they can get it, by suggesting that it’s everyone else in society are the ones with the problem, and not the people who actually have problems.

Lizzo and "body positivity"

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