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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,841 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    WHERE DOES BUREAUCRACY COME INTO IT?

    What is bureaucratic about the decisions made?

    For the 5th time - Why were flights , bar emergency, allowed fly in from effected region, if we are trying to control the spread - Thats it - not explaining it again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Its a fairly pathetic attitude. Don't like him don't listen to him. Wishing sickness in him or his fans is just pathetic

    Well, exactly. He’s hardly omnipresent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    Boggles wrote: »
    Wonder will they close the schools next week or wait until the week after?

    When do orals start? They might need to consider Skype FaceTime online alternatives; it would save examiners travelling from school to school too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Ridiculous article by the Irish times in making hand sanitizer with essential oils and aloe absolutely no alcohol ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    You do know the person in intensive care in cork is your age. The stats might say it only kills the old, there stats though it doesn't mean you get a free pass.

    Yeah, for those saying they are fitter than when they were younger, it’s not really all about fitness. My father is very fit in his late 60s but he still has a late 60s immune system. The efficacy of the immune system declines with age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    silver2020 wrote: »
    And like that medical professional, you are not understanding this.

    If flights from Italy were stopped then those who wanted to travel would simply hop on a train and use any number of alternative airports within very easy traveling distance.

    So stop flights from Italy and all those would simply get flights from other airports. Even Munich airport is just 5 hours away by train.

    You are understanding it less.

    I will ask for the umpteenth time - if the flights bringing Italian rugby fans to a game that doesn't exist were cancelled, would the same fans hop on a train in Italy all the way to Germany, France etc and then hop on a plane, to travel to a game that doesn't exist?

    The same goes for St Patricks day by the way.

    We are and I include you in this encouraging and facilitating easy and cheap travel from highly infected areas.

    Easy and cheap are the optimal words here. The cheaper and easier something is, the more people use it. You know this right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,416 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    When do orals start? They might need to consider Skype FaceTime online alternatives; if would save examiners travelling from school to school too.

    More than likely extend the school year.

    I wonder are they waiting for a confirmed infection rate to hit a certain threshold before closing them or are they just playing it by ear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,580 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    That's no laughing matter. And they might have caught the Corona virus too.

    Was Blindboy wearing the Centra plastic bag over his head? He should be ok then.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I've seen this argument over and over.
    Simple, bring them home but straight into quarantine until it can be verified they are clear or not.

    Not everyone on the flight will be coming home.. Some will be visiting. How do you isolate them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    thebaz wrote: »
    For the 5th time - Why were flights , bar emergency, allowed fly in from effected region, if we are trying to control the spread - Thats it - not explaining it again.


    Okey dokey, I guess we just have a different understanding of what bureaucracy at its worst means.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 47 industry accountant


    ixoy wrote: »
    Not everyone on the flight will be coming home.. Some will be visiting. How do you isolate them?

    If they chose to come from an infected area feck them into quarantine too. Enough of this pussy footing around crap. We nneded to protect ourselves, not worry about "Oh whatever will we do with the visitors".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,580 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    I've seen this argument over and over.
    Simple, bring them home but straight into quarantine until it can be verified they are clear or not.
    Don't let them in to wander freely, going to work/school etc.
    This is common sense stuff :confused:
    It would make more sense to not allow them onto the plane in the first place until they produce a certificate that they were tested for the virus in the previous 12 hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    Boggles wrote: »
    More than likely extend the school year.

    I wonder are they waiting for a confirmed infection rate to hit a certain threshold before closing them or are they just playing it by ear.

    Duding from talking to my brother who works in a Gov Department.

    They are doing jack **** and just wanting for the EU to do something instead of taking precautionary action ourselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭piplip87


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Not arsed working. Keep hitting F5 reading this thread

    Google image search Atari breakout and you will never work again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭celt262


    ixoy wrote: »
    Not everyone on the flight will be coming home.. Some will be visiting. How do you isolate them?

    Do the same with the visitors that will make up there mind for them if they want to travel or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    If they chose to come from an infected area feck them into quarantine too. Enough of this pussy footing around crap. We nneded to protect ourselves, not worry about "Oh whatever will we do with the visitors".

    Do they quarantine at your house or mine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,002 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If they chose to come from an infected area feck them into quarantine too. Enough of this pussy footing around crap. We nneded to protect ourselves, not worry about "Oh whatever will we do with the visitors".
    Its too late now. That was what should have been done at the start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Okay, so two things.

    I was thinking this morning that my whole family had this woejus cough over Christmas/start of January. Loads of people in work had it too. Two colleagues were told they had viral bronchitis, and had to take three weeks off work, or the doctor warned them it could turn into pneumonia. Having had it, it was really difficult to shake, and I deffo got a temperature on and off for a few days. My husband had to go and steroids.

    Is there any chance that could have been the coronavirus? I'm guessing, unless we had a spike in pneumonia deaths, it couldn't possibly have been?

    Secondly, I think we're all focusing on "oh Trinity has it" and "oh CUH is on lockdown" or whatever. At this stage, honestly we're way past containment. What I want to focus on now is how to prevent my elderly parents from getting it. Apart for the normal advice i.e. wash hands and avoid crowds, what advice would you be giving them right now? Should I be advising them to stay at home and get the groceries delivered? Stay away from cafe's/shops? They mind my kids on a Friday - should I be looking for alternative arrangements, just for a few weeks? I want to try to get ahead of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Have Aer Lingus not cancelled all Flights to/from Northern Italy ?
    I know that Ryanair fly too but it does reduce the numbers.

    So, now we have UHL, CUH, Waterford and Navan on lockdown ?

    Was in Tesco this morning after the school run. It was like the few days before Christmas. Very full trolleys, long lines, but no shortages of anything bar anti-bacterial stuff. In fact it looked like they had massive deliveries this morning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Not arsed working. Keep hitting F5 reading this thread

    My F5 key is f**ked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    You are understanding it less.

    I will ask for the umpteenth time - if the flights bringing Italian rugby fans to a game that doesn't exist were cancelled, would the same fans hop on a train in Italy all the way to Germany, France etc and then hop on a plane, to travel to a game that doesn't exist?

    The same goes for St Patricks day by the way.

    We are and I include you in this encouraging and facilitating easy and cheap travel from highly infected areas.

    Easy and cheap are the optimal words here. The cheaper and easier something is, the more people use it. You know this right?

    I think you wasting ur time, some people are just too thick and stubborn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Echo Live.ie 06.03.2020

    Patient spent days in emergency department before diagnosis

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Coronavirus-latest-Deadly-virus-in-Cork-Patient-spent-days-in-emergency-department-before-diagnosis--0608fdbd-7e91-4440-bccf-f182dd8b1d6a-ds

    A PATIENT had spent a number of days in the emergency department before the diagnosis was made.
    The Cork man, aged in his 40s, became the first in the country to catch the infection through community transmission.

    The patient had been taken to CUH by ambulance, complaining of pains in his head. He spent time in A&E before being discharged. He was readmitted in recent days and tested for the virus.

    Unlike previous cases in Ireland, the man, aged in his 40s, had not travelled to northern Italy.

    The patient was being cared for in an Intensive Care Unit last night.

    (Hope the man is okay...seems they wasted days)

    Does anyone see similarity here between Italian case which i believe led to the infection in a number of medical professionals and elderly patients in a hospital. I havent looked at the French cases too closely but believe something similar may have occurred - our tight approach to testing surely caused delay in this diagnosis; how is this containment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    leahyl wrote: »
    Long before this corona virus, my mother has thought this was the most unhygienic thing ever - she saw a child in Dunnes one day with their paws all over the cakes and pastries - she said it to a manager that they really should be covered in cling film or something - sure nothing was done. They continue to be displayed out in the open with no cover - although a few of them are up higher now so kids can't get their hands on them, but everybody is breathing on them anyway. Can't understand myself why this is allowed by the FSA.
    It's horrible. At least in supermarkets there is a quick turnover. In small shops they can be right beside the queue all day and loads of people are passing and sniffing and coughing. Rotten.

    Your mother is dead right


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Boggles wrote: »
    Wonder will they close the schools next week or wait until the week after?

    My take is that there's, I think, three weeks till Easter.

    And there's a long weekend in there too, due to Patricks Day.

    So I have a feeling they'll get to mid next week and shut the schools down. And say "It's two weeks till Easter, and ye were getting some of that off anyway, so now we're having a month long Easter holiday."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Removalist


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Have Aer Lingus not cancelled all Flights to/from Northern Italy ?
    I know that Ryanair fly too but it does reduce the numbers.

    So, now we have UHL, CUH, Waterford and Navan on lockdown ?

    Was in Tesco this morning after the school run. It was like the few days before Christmas. Very full trolleys, long lines, but no shortages of anything bar anti-bacterial stuff. In fact it looked like they had massive deliveries this morning.

    Some flights have been cancelled the vast majority are still on. As of last night anyway. Not sure if theyve updated today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    My take is that there's, I think, three weeks till Easter.

    And there's a long weekend in there too, due to Patricks Day.

    So I have a feeling they'll get to mid next week and shut the schools down. And say "It's two weeks till Easter, and ye were getting some of that off anyway, so now we're having a month long Easter holiday."

    Not much help considering 3rd level won't be getting an Easter break tho?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    WHERE DOES BUREAUCRACY COME INTO IT?

    What is bureaucratic about the decisions made?

    bureaucratic


    over-concerned with procedure at the expense of efficiency or common sense.
    "the scheme is overly bureaucratic and complex"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    tromtipp wrote: »
    Two general comments - I haven't read every post and may just be echoing other people.

    Someone posted a link to Chinese findings that X-rays show the virus causes permanent irreversible damage to lungs. Scary, but otoh my father caught TB in overcrowded 1940s Dublin and spent three years in Crooksling sanatorium as a young man (before antibiotics). He suffered permanent irreversible damage to his lungs.

    He still lived (active and healthy until near the end) to the age of 89 (older hospital doctors regarded the crackling noises his breathing produced as a useful teaching aid for the young).

    So don't despair.

    Also a prediction - if the government, such as it is, get their act together and introduce serious containment measures, they'll release them after 8.00 on Saturday, to slow down the media response.


    Pneumonia leaves permanent scars to the lungs, it's nothing new
    and unfortunately Covid gives pneumonia


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    iguana wrote: »
    I know but I'm a woman.:P

    Am, excuse me, haven’t you heard that some women have penises? :pac:


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