Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Bandana boy wrote: »

Assuming the same infection rate at 2/100 fatality rate we are looking at 20,000 deaths here .

You can't assume the same infection rates tbh. Different type of virus, different transmission vectors.

We already know it doesn't spread as easily as the 'flu.

You also can't assume the 2% fatality rate holds true because we have no idea how many carriers are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. Practically all testing carried out so far has been through voluntary presentation.

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

That poor doctor must be close to being lynched at this stage, not sure what his dates away were - was there a travel alert in place when he was away?

If not I think folk are being massively over the top in their vitriol towards him..

The truth is blame will not help to resolve this issue.

Mistakes need to learned from and appropriate solutions put in place as quickly as possible.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Something big is going to happen in terms of containment. I don't know where Germany will end today but we are probably looking at over 500 new cases for the day...catastrophic.

Germans will be demanding action and I think some severe travel and other restrictions may be put in place even before the end of the day.

We can't go on like this.

We can’t go on like what?


80% of people infected with this will have mild symptoms or will have no symptoms.

Do you realise a conservative estimate of deaths from influenza in North America alone this winter 19/20 is 30,000 +... and it’s all unreported and accepted.

Whats going to make this worse is hype,fear and anxiety- the mental health effects from threads like this will have much greater far reaching consequences than this virus and may well catapult us into recession if people don’t get a grip- this phenomenon is well studied internationally.

The most dangerous thing here is this creeping doubt and paranoia about what the medical experts are telling you to do.

The public consulting google and social media... the net result of this could be society becoming resigned to their ‘fate’ -oh we’re going to die ...they stop heeding medical advice or going to work and we could have social breakdown.

We’d really need to grow up here. You’ll get this virus possibly and no you won’t die. It’s very concerning for older people and those immuno compromised and there needs to be calm restored to protect these people.

DOCARCH wrote: »

Not necessarily. Contact between family members needs to be minimized and the person essentially needs to self isolate within the house.

Yes, I believe it will become standard practice that the individual involved will not only self-isolate at home but will also be advised to self-isolate from the rest of the family - ie staying in one room, for being left at the door, no other family entering that room etc.

The entire household should self-isolate for a minimum of two weeks also. This will simply become standard practice and government advice over coming weeks.

Without that step there is a high risk that if they have COVID19 they’ll pass it on to the rest of their family.

Duggie2012 wrote: »

60 staff?? sure would there be any staff left after that

Id imagine CUH has 100's

Losing 60 seems a hell of alot

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'd be willing to bet tonight's update for Ireland will be in double figures.

It was in double figures yesterday so sort of a given that it'll be in double figures today!

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Fatality rate is at 6% today, it only dropped 0.04% since yesterday. I was hoping it would drop below 5 but the current trend suggests otherwise

Stands at 5.73%.

This won't drop for another while at least until we start to see recoveries in Italy for instance.

I think it'll bottom out for recorded cases at 3%.

When you add in unrecorded cases, it'll drop further.

tara73 wrote: »

yes. after watching a lot of talk shows with experts here in Germany that is the common sense, 40-70% will be infected, time frame is not completely clear but every expert said it's not containable (at this stage).

I was shocked they excluded lockdowns here, and I still am in a way. I can see now behind their strategy: Let this virus spread because it's not stoppable by trying to contain it completely, but try to contain as much as possible and therefore slow down infections. But not shutting down countries and economies completely. They must have somewhere (Brussels?) agreed to see Europe as a whole country in this case so no stopping of flights or lockdown of countries to keep everything going as much as possible. I don't think any country in Europe has dismissed flights from Italy yet?

Experts said it will probably die down in summertime, but they are not sure how much and it will definately shoot up again in wintertime.

I don't know whether this is the right way to go but then I think nobody can say what is 100% right or or wrong in this situation anymore, I think we are in the hands of this virus now and mankind gets a dose that we still can't control nature in the end and all this globalisation can easily erade us or bring our developed world down.

I also heard there's some kind of medication used in Japan which seems to be effective with covid19 by reduceing the viral load in the body. It's accredited in Japan but not in Europe . They just need to approve it here. Some hope maybe.

Ahhh much better to not get it..
Its a combo of HIV and SARS as the first paper that was rubbished suggested:
I was wondering why they called the virus SARS-COV-2 and the disease it causes COVID19. Like HIV and AIDS.

When I linked to their paper in Jan I was rubbished as scarmongering..
But it seems autopsies agree with their finding.

Now I wonder if it can hide in the immune system like HIV, if you get it are you ever really free of it?

The good news is, with advances in HIV it seems this virus responds to HIV drugs... but prevention is WAY better than cure.

Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.

The grim finding was reported on by Communist Party mouthpiece the Global Times on Friday, after a paper by Wuhan doctors published in the Journal of Forensic Medicine earlier in the week went viral on Chinese social media.

“The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,” Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times.

Dr Peng was commenting on the paper by Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology, whose team had conducted nine autopsies of coronavirus patients as of February 24.

“The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients’ lungs from irreversible fibrosis,” Dr Peng told the outlet.

Full article here:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca

frash wrote: »

60 staff in CUH told to self isolate

That's a huge number; you have to question how they will be able to keep CUH open and operational giving staffing issues pre corona; anyone have today's trolley watch numbers?

The HSE should have had the CUH closed off for visitors and non vital procedures for days before yesterday as they had suspected cases in there. Given how utterly useless they are I'm really annoyed with myself for being in there twice this week.