Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Duke of Url wrote: »

Correct. There was never any containment.

China made an effort. but how do you contain something you cant see (asymptomatic).

The EU made no effort.

Ireland made no effort.

2020 should be the year that all monies assigned to low priority projects listed in the budget should be redirected into the Health services.

Ireland could make that call today.

Its attitude/policies not money that need changing

Good news - China seems to be emerging from the worst of the epidemic.

It will be interesting to compare their results with how the liberal democracies manage this disaster, when all this is over.

China’s central province of Hubei – excluding the provincial capital Wuhan – reported zero new cases of coronavirus over 24 hours for the first time during the outbreak.

Elsewhere in China, schools in provinces where there have been no new cases for a number of days, put in place plans for reopening. Qinghai, a northwestern province in China that had reported no new infections for 29 days as of March 5, said it would stagger the start date of different school days from March 11 to March 20, according to a notice posted on an official website on Friday.

Separately, the southwestern province of Guizhou, which reported no new infections for 18 days, had said at the end of February that schools would start from March 16.

From The Guardian

tails_naf wrote: »

Totally agree, China locked things down really quickly. 50 million people quarantined, and they contained it. Without that drastic action it would have been a lot worse. At what point will ireland quarantine? It seems like never, but let's see what the next week brings....

In a way it is a global test on governance and crisis management.

In a years time it will be interesting to look at how efficiently or not each government reacted and what their priorities where.

But one initial trend clearly is that the West is prioritising short term economic and individual liberty concerns while Asia seems more concerned about long term survival of society even if it hurts individuals in the short term. We are in a globalised world but IMO reaction to this kind of potential crisis really shows the remaining differences between Western liberalism and Asian Confucianism/conservatism.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That poster was doing the opposite of scaremongering.

Bambi should have put 'scaremongering' in quotes. Because it's all very well people saying that we're grand, nothing to worry about when they are unlikely to have a family member die. It's very easy to be glib with other people's lives.

I have actually seen people say 'us young folk have nothing to worry about. This will be a parent killer'.

And it's also pretty fcking stupid too. We have seen people in their 20s with no underlying conditions die from this disease. Sure, that's really unusual, but you certainly can't laugh it off.

I would like to feel that the HSE was given licence to act in such a reckless manner by all the idiots talking about 'scaremongering' in the last few weeks.

circadian wrote: »

Have to say, getting on the 16 instead of literally any other bus this morning was a bad idea. The amount of face covering, coughs and sneezes. Guy behind me is pulling an ocean in through his nose with the sniffing.

That's comforting, sniffling has been definitively ruled out as a symptom by WHO.

Mav11 wrote: »

Question may have been answered before but, does an infected person have to be admitted to hospital? Home or self treatment option would take pressure off hospital resources.

Home/self treatment is the recommended course for mild cases

Duke of Url wrote: »

Can I ask how reporting confirmed cases is benefitting anyone?

Someone asked an expert from the UK this question yesterday and she said that more information, reporting on cases and locations are actually less likely to cause panic and help create more calm ( studies had shown)

Another disaster unfolding in the Pacific

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/06/coronavirus-update-latest-live-news-symptoms-cases-global-infection-rate-uk-usa-australia-italy-china-updates

Britons stranded on cruise ship on its way back to California

More than 140 Britons are stranded on a cruise ship off California’s coast amid coronavirus fears. The cruise ship was on its way back to California from Hawaii with more than 2,000 passengers on board when the alarm was raised.

Officials flew test kits by helicopter out to the Grand Princess after the authorities learned that a patient who had died from the coronavirus had previously traveled on the vessel. Some passengers and crew members on board have been showing symptoms.

It's in Dublin City centre now. Hundreds of thousands of people en route into there as we speak.

Today is the day folks. Remember this day. The day Ireland changed forever.

Time to panic.

Bob24 wrote: »

What I am personally concerned about is that the only country whereby we seem to see a reduction in new cases is China (if we can believe the figures), but many keep forgetting this followed the implementation of super drastic measures to limit propagation.

I fear because of this many countries (including European ones) are now getting complacent and thinking they just need to wait for 2 months and the number of new cases will start dropping; which I am not sure is a wise assumption. I think we might soon see different outcomes depending on how counties have managed the situation (and to say it bluntly I am more hopeful about Singapore or Korea than about Ireland or Italy).

This is the crux of the problem and exactly why this feels far more disconcerting than it should. The argument is that China needed this kind of response as the virus had grown out of control. So why not get out ahead of things now to ensure it doesn't get out of control here and these kinds of responses won't be needed. At the other end if eventually, it does get out of control I doubt anyone thinks we can put the kind measures China did in place to then limit and control things as effectively as they have done.

I'd like to think that when this is all calmed down that the shortcomings of the HSE, which we have been aware of for decades, is finally addressed. Given how we've behaved since the 2008 crash I have my concerns.

The slow reaction, poor communication(its a fake letter, no wait it's not a fake letter), lack of testing, lack of capacity, staff returning to work when private companies are asking their staff to self isolate in the same situation.

All of this smacks of bureaucracy, top heavy with management and the fact that we're pissing money on consultants, trying and failing to balance private and public care. Will this change? I'd like to think so, there'll certainly be outcry from he public when all is said and done. They managed to plough on supporting financial institutions after the crash despite public opinion there.

Bob24 wrote: »

Why would it drop since community transmission is happening at a rather fast pace?

Because very few active cases in Europe have had time to recover yet, so our recovery rates are extremely low. In another few weeks our recovery rates should have climbed significantly. At the same time, recovery rates in China should have climbed while cases hopefully are significantly dropping off. So Europe will have more active cases than recovered but globally we will hopefully continue seeing a trend of more recovered cases than active.

bennyl10 wrote: »

There was someone on here last night saying 70% of is would be infected and 100s of thousands would die, with nothing to baxk it up from anywhere.

No it will likely be millions (wordwide).

bennyl10 wrote: »

That is the definition of scaremongering.

This is based on the 2% fatality rate that has been widely reported and seems very consistent.

bennyl10 wrote: »

People are going to get this, the vast majority will be fine.


Some, yes some will be sick.

The vast majority will recover.

bennyl10 wrote: »

BUT

Throwing figures out of nowhere to cause panic, however, is the definition of scaremongering.

Or you could just look at reporting.

The Nal wrote: »

It's in Dublin City centre now. Hundreds of thousands of people en route into there as we speak.

Today is the day folks. Remember this day. The day Ireland changed forever.

Time to panic.

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