Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

Pseudonym121 · 05-03-2020 11:45PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

About how realistic the figure is.

Could 20pc of people who test positive need treatment in hospital?

Well you have to bear in mind that the number of people with covid19 is going to be significantly higher than the number who test positive. We have seen that world-wide and experienced that in Ireland.

Most of the people who have published figures agree 15 to 20% of those diagnoses with Covid19 require hospitalisation. This doesn’t mean they will require ventilation ( as I and others have said elsewhere ). They could simply get supplementary oxygen, nebulisers, fluids, monitoring of arrhythmia brought about due to the stress of infection on the body, issues with other organs (control of diabetes etc) and as I mentioned elsewhere encephalitis.

If this spreads in the community as some believe it will then we will soon see ruthless emptying of wards and cancellation of elective surgeries both to free beds but also crucially to free ventilators.

Hilariously it might finally help the HSE to allow and invest significantly in telemedicine and emedicine. This would be great both for increasing social distance but also for the future.

solidasarock · 05-03-2020 11:45PM

HSE only wants health care works to isolate themselves when returning from a hotspot.

Everyone else gets the all clear to return to work unless they have symptoms.

What the hell is wrong with the HSE? How is a mandatory self isolation too much to ask for the few hundred people returning from Italy or china?

What kind of late stage capitalist bull**** is that?

Quantum Erasure · 05-03-2020 11:45PM

Louche Lad wrote: »

It's spreading in New South Wales where temperatures are in the 20s. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-darwin-tourist-becomes-first-in-nt-to-test-positive-as-australian-cases-rise-to-52

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

That post is untrue.

The narrative is that is does not spread in warm weather and the summer is going to save us all.

This is 2020 the truth most support the narrative.

Keep inconvenient facts in the shadows.

girl on the street being interviewed on Prime Time saying it doesn't survive over 27 degrees, so hopefully by the summer it'll be gone,

summer, in ireland

joe40 · 05-03-2020 11:46PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

The government or lack thereof doesn't matter whatsoever.
The permanent government run the show (DOH and HSE).
Simon is still available for soundites and inept management.

In this incidence I would prefer to have medical professionals decide best practice rather than politicians

Funsterdelux · 05-03-2020 11:46PM

tillyfilly wrote: »

No cases in the midlands yet, no money to travel to Italy ?

They have more sense and travel somewhere warmer

Frank Bullitt · 05-03-2020 11:46PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We haven't seen anything like this before, but it does happen every few decades or so.

I know it's concerning, but this is not the plague.

The vast majority of people will be fine.
Stay informed and things will be OK.

My mum rang me tonight after the news today, she had cancelled a trip to Kerry, because of it.

I had to reassure her.

Pseudonym121 · 05-03-2020 11:46PM

jarvis wrote: »

I dread to think what covid-20 will be like. I didn’t see the first 18 and I’m not enjoying watching 19.
It’s like when I watched fast and furious 7 without watching the first 6. Can’t get into it at all.

Lol!!!

Kermit.de.frog · 05-03-2020 11:47PM

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Snow Garden · 05-03-2020 11:47PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

You'd still have people going on about being 'alarmist' and 'hysterical', still have governments more interested in finances than people, and still have vital school based skiing trips, so we'd be pretty screwed if that came up.

MERS had that type of fatality rate but it was apparently containable.

MERS was 34% in very low numbers. Hardly 80%.

This thread must be 80% bull**** though.

briany · 05-03-2020 11:47PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Yes, but we have heard of very, very few cases. I'm hoping this is due to it not spreading, and not simply due to lack of reporting.

The political implications of COVID-19 may really come to the fore if it takes a hold in Africa. There is already a robust debate about what to do about African migrants coming into Europe through the Mediterranean. If you add into that the idea that at least some of these people could be active carriers of this disease, and one that appears to be highly infectious, I would expect that debate to be really be amped up.

Gods Gift · 05-03-2020 11:47PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We haven't seen anything like this before, but it does happen every few decades or so.

I know it's concerning, but this is not the plague.

The vast majority of people will be fine.
Stay informed and things will be OK.

My mum rang me tonight after the news today, she had cancelled a trip to Kerry, because of it.

I had to reassure her.

Skiing is very hard in Kerry this year.

4068ac1elhodqr · 05-03-2020 11:47PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

MERS had that type of fatality rate but it was apparently containable.

If it's too efficient at attacking it's host like MERS, then it simply can't get around as much, like a computer virus: one that lingers and acts slowly and attacks a network, then another is far better at it's job than a 1-hit bluescreen wonder.

RandomName2 · 05-03-2020 11:48PM

solidasarock wrote: »

HSE only wants health care works to isolate themselves when returning from a hotspot.

Everyone else gets the all clear to return to work unless they have symptoms.

What the hell is wrong with the HSE? How is a mandatory self isolation too much to ask for the few hundred people returning from italy or china?

What kind of late stage capitalist bull**** is that?

I genuinely couldn't believe it when I initially heard it.

They couldn't even be arsed testing kids coming back from the skiing trips. They said 'let them go back to school'. Utterly, utterly baffling. The only thing I can think is that they must have thought that containment was never going to work, so why bother?

BorneTobyWilde · 05-03-2020 11:48PM

Who wants to rent a holiday home on Valentina Island and spend the next few months riding
this thing out until it blows over.

igCorcaigh · 05-03-2020 11:49PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

You'd still have people going on about being 'alarmist' and 'hysterical', still have governments more interested in finances than people, and still have vital school based skiing trips, so we'd be pretty screwed if that came up.

MERS had that type of fatality rate but it was apparently containable.

It's extremely rare that an agent with high death rate and high transmitability could occur.

It's self defeating from an evolutionary point of view.

Things like HIV are unusual, in that without treatment, the cfr approaches 100pc

And the very very long incubation period allows it to spread without killing the host.

Can you imagine the outcome if HIV came about in medieval times?

fr336 · 05-03-2020 11:49PM

I see this thread has turned into Twitter oh well

05-03-2020 11:50PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Who wants to rent a holiday home on Valentina Island and spend the next few months riding
this thing out until it blows over.

I like where you broke up that second sentence!

CinemaGuy45 · 05-03-2020 11:50PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

girl on the street being interviewed on Prime Time saying it doesn't survive over 27 degrees, so hopefully by the summer it'll be gone,

summer, in ireland

Heading for 29c this weekend in Ireland.

8 on Friday 12 on Saturday and 9 on Sunday.

tillyfilly · 05-03-2020 11:50PM

I have a strong feeling of future regret about this whole scenario

RandomName2 · 05-03-2020 11:50PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Can you imagine the outcome if HIV came about in medieval times?

The monks would have done alright :pac:

namloc1980 · 05-03-2020 11:50PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

girl on the street being interviewed on Prime Time saying it doesn't survive over 27 degrees, so hopefully by the summer it'll be gone,

summer, in ireland

It's 30 degrees in Singapore and they've had over 100 cases.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 05-03-2020 11:50PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Swine flu hysteria? It killed half a million people you know. I am not joking.

Given that it infected nearly 20% of the world's population, that's not an incredibly bad fatality rate.

I had not realized that containment of swine flu simply failed. Attitudes like yours need to be curtailed or ignored. All pandemics start with a single individual. The longer it takes for people to take it seriously the more difficult it is to do anything about it.

It looks likely that it is too late in relation to covid-19. Hopefully it doesn't do well in warm weather. Given the lack of southern hemisphere and african cases currently, that may be true.

Yes, swine flu hysteria. Tell me - what do you know about the health status pre-infection of the half a million people who died from it? People get truly bamboozled by numbers and analyse little else.

I know a lot of cancer patients and am one. Most of us are immunocompromised and we’re all currently suffering from a severe case of eye rolling because we simply can’t get it up for an virus whose symptoms seem much more manageable than anything we’ve been through in the last few years AND we also recognise that we can’t stop living our lives because of this virus.

Westernyelp · 05-03-2020 11:51PM

tillyfilly wrote: »

I have a strong feeling of future regret about this whole scenario

Are you one of those random phrase generators?

Pseudonym121 · 05-03-2020 11:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It doesn't act as a reservoir in CSF. It has just spread there. There's nothing to suggest that there is a latent reservoir in patients with CSF. The medications used would need to be changed so that it has better ability to cross the blood brain barrier. Unless, there is another paper that says so.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/05/c_138846529.htm

I'm not trying to nitpick, just trying to keep myself updated.

Hi, Dazzler. Since I’m writing more defensively now I’ll just point out that if you read what I said I didn’t say it had found a reservoir in the CSF. I said that finding it in CSF spoke to it being able to find reservoirs - and yes one of my thoughts here is that a lot of medicines don’t cross the blood brain barrier and the CSF is a good place for reservoirs.

I am unaware of any proven reservoirs yet but one does have to wonder if the “reinfections” we’ve heard of may not be more simply explained by reservoirs - imo this would be good news on a population level.

So, not saying that It is proven to use the CSF as a reservoir but knowing it can cross the blood brain barrier when some of the medicines being trialled to treat it may not does make one wonder about the potential for reservoirs.

JP Liz V1 · 05-03-2020 11:51PM

I'm going to be paranoid now of anyone coughing or sneezing around me

namloc1980 · 05-03-2020 11:52PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Who wants to rent a holiday home on Valentina Island and spend the next few months riding
this thing out until it blows over.

What's the eircode?

joe40 · 05-03-2020 11:52PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

I genuinely couldn't believe it when I initially heard it.

They couldn't even be arsed testing kids coming back from the skiing trips. They said 'let them go back to school'. Utterly, utterly baffling. The only thing I can think is that they must have thought that containment was never going to work, so why bother?

What was the testing capacity. I don't know, how many people could be tested per day. Maybe someone knows.

owlbethere · 05-03-2020 11:52PM

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

Lol!!!

I have a question for you if you don't mind.

Some people wrote here or in the previous thread that they got a bad dose of a heavy cold or flu already. Earlier on this year. Would it have been possible it would have been this Covid-19 doing the rounds already in Ireland? Back in January.

fritzelly · 05-03-2020 11:53PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

Are you one of those random phrase generators?

LMAO - keeps coming up with the same phrase just like them as well

RandomName2 · 05-03-2020 11:53PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I know a lot of cancer patients and am one. Most of us are immunocompromised and we’re all currently suffering from a severe case of eye rolling because we simply can’t get it up for an virus whose symptoms seem much more manageable than anything we’ve been through in the last few years AND we also recognise that we can’t stop living our lives because of this virus.

You are literally in the at risk group. You should be very, very concerned

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP