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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #2312
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Cultural side of the country....
    What watching a few tractor n trailers crawling along in the pissing rain...???
    Then every teenager getting polluted drunk before puking and pissing themselves up the main Street.... If there was never a Paddy's Day parade again, I could live without it...


  • #2313
    gerbilgranny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭gerbilgranny


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    SF mayor has hinted of a possible widespread outbreak in the city.

    I read this as 'Sinn Fein mayor'.:o


  • #2314
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nice one Eoghan. Economic life more important than actual lives. Snout in the trough dictating as usual with these people.

    But where on earth is the logic in shutting down the Parade and leaving everything else open??

    If you cancel the parade, then you have to close all schools, offices, sporting events and public events the following day as well and for weeks afterwards.


  • #2315
    Mullaghteelin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    Are these Pollyanna analysts ever going to wake up and realize we are in uncharted deep waters

    "It's the economy stupid".
    They're doing everything in their power to reduce disruption for as long as possible and keep panic down.
    Preventing the spread of the virus is less important to them. Theyre not willing to take draconian actions like grounding flights, so are focusing on managing it rather than preventing it.


  • #2316
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    It started out at 15% and has fallen hugely to about 1-2% due to a combination of

    A. Actually diagnosing more people with it now where those people were undiagnosed before this inflating the mortality rate.

    B. They have learned what works in treatment. You have to remember this was a brand new illness no-one has ever seen before a few months ago.

    But, bottom line the death rate isn’t the 15% some scaremongers are quoting and it won’t even be the 3.4% that WHO has recently stated - this is due to some statistical issues I won’t waste time going into here.

    Bottom line 1 - 2 % of all infected individuals so long as the ventilators have capacity. It’ll increase if and when they are fully occupied obviously.

    Yeah, I'm thinking around 1pc or under, but concerned about how it could rise when health systems are overcome.

    Any thoughts of the 17 to 20pc cases is serious/critical?


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  • #2317
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I remember the swine flu hysteria well. The predictions were far more dire than what actually transpired. Does that not tell you something?

    Swine flu hysteria? It killed half a million people you know. I am not joking.

    Given that it infected nearly 20% of the world's population, that's not an incredibly bad fatality rate.

    I had not realized that containment of swine flu simply failed. Attitudes like yours need to be curtailed or ignored. All pandemics start with a single individual. The longer it takes for people to take it seriously the more difficult it is to do anything about it.

    It looks likely that it is too late in relation to covid-19. Hopefully it doesn't do well in warm weather. Given the lack of southern hemisphere and african cases currently, that may be true.


  • #2318
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    UsBus wrote: »
    Cultural side of the country....
    What watching a few tractor n trailers crawling along in the pissing rain...???
    Then every teenager getting polluted drunk before puking and pissing themselves up the main Street.... If there was never a Paddy's Day parade again, I could live without it...

    He needed to add some thin veneer atop the money angle. Basically “screw anyone who dies of it, won’t be me, but I don’t want to lose any cash.”


  • #2319
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I remember the swine flu hysteria well. The predictions were far more dire than what actually transpired. Does that not tell you something?


    Not sure but H1N1 wasn't that bad, it likely didn't have a (COVID19) 3.4% fatality rate. Maybe a different type of flu (symptoms and complications not as bad)?


    Know a couple of people that had it, much the same as the standard Inf A/B. About 2 weeks out of action, then back to normal.


  • #2320
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    The public service looked after but government can’t say how regular joes will be looked after.

    In all seriousness what do you think the vast majority of public servants are?


  • #2321
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    UsBus wrote: »
    Cultural side of the country....
    What watching a few tractor n trailers crawling along in the pissing rain...???
    Then every teenager getting polluted drunk before puking and pissing themselves up the main Street.... If there was never a Paddy's Day parade again, I could live without it...

    Beautifully put!


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  • #2322
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Mullaghteelin wrote: »
    "It's the economy stupid".
    They're doing everything in their power to reduce disruption for as long as possible and keep panic down.
    Preventing the spread of the virus is less important to them. Theyre not willing to take draconian actions like grounding flights, so are focusing on managing it rather than preventing it.

    Our leaders have become managers

    Like an Adam Curtis docu
    But we have paid a price for this: without realising it we, and our leaders, have given up the old progressive dreams of changing the world and instead become like managers – seeing ourselves as components in a system, and believing our duty is to help that system balance itself.


  • #2323
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I remember the swine flu hysteria well. The predictions were far more dire than what actually transpired. Does that not tell you something?

    It tells me that actions taken to prevent spread did well AND we got lucky. I hope the same happens this time but there’s no guarantee and the more seriously we take it and take precautions the more likely we are to have low death rates.

    But what seems to happen here is that valid points are picked to death rather than incorporated into the range of possible outcomes - outcomes which become more likely if we adopt blinkers.

    Anyways I wish you all the best of luck and outcomes.


  • #2324
    ussjtrunks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭ussjtrunks


    In general for a healthy adult how bad has it been?

    Are there any cases of it effecting people without underling illness badly?


  • #2325
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Well if you are who you claim to be you really should know much better than posting worse case mortality rates on an Internet forum with obviously hysterical posters.
    Usually medical professionals don’t in fact try to increase panic among the general population

    That poster has said a few things that don’t ring true. Personally don’t believe they are a doctor.


  • #2326
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235689151841722368

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235690480463200256

    France going a bit Iranian


  • #2327
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Balagan1 wrote: »
    Beautifully put!

    If a two hour parade is "unsafe", then everything is unsafe : stadiums, theatres, buses, trains, schools, offices etc

    I actually agree with him


  • #2328
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Just on another fitness forum and someone was saying how they don't care and that their immune system is good. Em.... nobody has immunity and you may pass it on to a vulnerable group. Ah the arrogance of youth.


  • #2329
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    In all seriousness what do you think the vast majority of public servants are?

    Well isolated from events that end in private sector workers earning the scratch.


  • #2330
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    In general for a healthy adult how bad has it been?

    Are there any cases of it effecting people without underling illness badly?

    80% of all people present as mild symptoms.

    The vast vast majority of us won’t get the illness,
    and of that minority that do,
    the majority of them are fine in the main.


  • #2331
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    With all of the virus excitement going on I'm just wondering have we forgotten that we don't have a government ? Or does that matter anymore. Seems to have disappeared


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  • #2332
    gmisk
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    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    In general for a healthy adult how bad has it been?

    Are there any cases of it effecting people without underling illness badly?
    Low risk if under 65/70.
    I think a lot of the younger categories had a death rate at roughly 0.2%


  • #2333
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    gerbilgranny wrote: »
    I read this as 'Sinn Fein mayor'.:o

    Me too. (But I Know it refers to San Francisco US).

    But not a word from Louise O'Reilly up to now. Disappointed, I thought as Sinn Fein Health spokesperson she would say something.


  • #2334
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,378 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Strazdas wrote: »
    If a two hour parade is "unsafe", then everything is unsafe : stadiums, theatres, buses, trains, schools, offices etc

    I actually agree with him

    Italy just did deem most of those things unsafe.
    And we have to start somewhere.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #2335
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Well isolated from events that end in private sector workers earning the scratch.

    Nurses are well isolated? Well isolated from a virus?
    Teachers that deal with children all day, are well isolated?

    Don’t turn this into a public v private thing because there is zero point or actual fact to back up anything.
    There is as many public sector people who have means to be well protected as there are private.

    And there aren’t as many private sector people in direct like of fire from this


  • #2336
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    80% of all people present as mild symptoms.

    The vast vast majority of us won’t get the illness,
    and of that minority that do,
    the majority of them are fine in the main.

    And this is based on nothing but if it makes anybody reading it feel better so be it.

    It's a pandemic most of us are going to get it.


  • #2337
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ussjtrunks wrote: »
    In general for a healthy adult how bad has it been?

    Are there any cases of it effecting people without underling illness badly?
    Someone on the telly box said things like high blood pressure can be worse with this virus that say asthma (may need confirmed, as sounded a bit strange when heard it).

    Reckon maybe 30-40% of the Island have some slight issues, Ireland has massive obesity levels, smokers, drinkers, takeaway fatty food and bing snack eaters. Diabetes, poor circulation, lack of exercise and so on....

    Risks start to move upwards for over 40/50/60/70/80 etc.
    30's and below and healthy already should be totally fine.


  • #2338
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Glad we have someone more qualified on boards in these fields than those amateurs in the WHO

    Sigh. I’m not saying I’m. Ore qualified than WHO. Even their deputy director general made the point I’m making in an interview yesterday.

    Honestly, since the 3.4% figure includes the period of time when the initial high mortality rate of 15% was calculated due to the lack of testing of people infected but not so unwell they needed hospital it is clear that the 3.4% figure is skewed upward by the inclusion of this period of time.

    This isn’t controversial and even the deputy director of WHO made this point in interview yesterday.

    Really, lots of people here are complaining about not being given enough information by medical professionals and then when you are you either ignore it or just nitpick whilst avoiding seeing the wood for the trees.

    Anyways as I said I wish you the best luck and outcome.


  • #2339
    gmisk
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Well isolated from events that end in private sector workers earning the scratch.
    The public sector is open to all the great utopia that it is....lol
    I make significantly less in public sector than I would in private sector but hey I made my choice.


  • #2340
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Just on another fitness forum and someone was saying how they don't care and that their immune system is good. Em.... nobody has immunity and you may pass it on to a vulnerable group. Ah the arrogance of youth.

    Are you sure aout that? Many people not contracting the virus might be doing so precisely because they have a strong immune system (fx how come 1m or 2m people don't have a cold in Ireland at the same time?)


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  • #2341
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    It's a pandemic most of us are going to get it.

    WHO say it is not.......


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