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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I'm a manager and we're not doctors, all he'll do is refer you to HR or recently created self isolation policy. Get yourself checked by a doctor is my advice.

    On a side note, managers are in a very bad position with this as some companies won't pay for the time the team member misses which make them show up to work (because they need the money). It's going to lead to further spread.

    Yes my work if you are quarantine then you have to take it as annual leave. Some people with kids back from Italy didn't notify HR in case they lost holidays. Others are working from home if their kids were in Italy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 Tomato1


    A doctor, who knew he was in Italy. A guy who was coughing and spitting all over people as he treated them, a guy who knew he had the ''flu'' still put 1000's in harms way. You couldn't make this up.


    The amount of HSE colleagues I work with who do not know how to wash their hands or use alcohol gel astounds me so colour me surprised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Just to remind people that anxiety increases the release of cortisol in your body which lowers your immune system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    Reported

    He was right though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Have my first chest infection in years. Accompanied by a sore throat. Talk about bad timing. Would call in sick tomorrow but have essential work to do. Probably just a cold but would make you think seeing as I work in a multinational with workers from all over the World.

    So you THINK it's just a cold based on nothing but you are going into infect everybody else.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    This is really wrong-headed. Ireland is so small that you should simply assume you will be in contact with people with COVID19 as it is now circulating in the community. The idea that you’d be safe in Louth or Donegal if it was in CUH is incorrect.

    Containment is done, you need to assume it is circulating and that 12 months now roughly 2/3rd of the population will have had it with a commensurate death rate. That works out to roughly 40,000.

    If we are lucky and really socially isolate it’ll be much lower but I can’t see it being less than 2,000 over the course of the year.


    So there is no point obsessing over whether it is in Cork or Galway or Louth. It is in Ireland, it is in the community and you need to behave as though people you interact with on a daily basis have it no matter where you live.


    First and last paragraph not 2 bad a little irrational but the middle 2 bloody hell. 2,000 to 40,00 dead. You need to step away from the computer and take a deep breath. Hope someone remembers this post in a year and brings it up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,574 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I feel like I'm on the Titanic and there isn't enough boats.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    If there were 40 deaths in Italy from a bus crash it would be near top news.

    But is it because the people were all aged over 65 that they are in some way lesser people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    tuxy wrote: »
    Just to remind people that anxiety increases the release of cortisol in your body which lowers your immune system.

    you've just made everyone feel 6% worse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    I'm a manager and we're not doctors, all he'll do is refer you to HR or recently created self isolation policy. Get yourself checked by a doctor is my advice.

    On a side note, managers are in a very bad position with this as some companies won't pay for the time the team member misses which make them show up to work (because they need the money). It's going to lead to further spread.

    This is the reason seasonal flu,cold & chest infections are so dangerous to the population, people go to work at the beginning and only stay at home when it fully kicks in.

    The amount of retail staff i've seen in workplaces visible sick(90% of the time cold & chest infections i'd imagine). I myself had been guilty of it in my time in retail...last place didn't have running water in the store, had to use communal facilities.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    silverharp wrote: »
    its great for Amazon

    Just thinking about how grocery shops that do home delivery will be doing a roaring trade soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Best thing to do now is isolate the vulnerable groups stat. Where to I don't know but they are an at risk group now.

    Younger healthier people will ride this out, our parents and relatives and immunosopressed may not even if they are robust now.

    Horse before cart maybe.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very ineffective. You can expect the government to say we are no longer in the containment phase within a matter of two weeks (or less). Then they’ll increase restrictions on social contact etc but the delay will have caused a lot more spread with long term consequences.

    What we are seeing is information management to stop panic. You can’t tell people how bad things will get immediately. You break it in stages so people can adapt to the new reality.

    How do you see this playing out in the next 12/18 months? Will it permanently circulate within the population and also continually mutate so any vaccine that may be developed will be a 'best guess' type like you get for seasonal flu currently?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,574 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Doyler99


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,378 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Just listened myself, well worth the 20 mins
    Is this the David McWilliams podcast? It's coming up as 43 minutes long for me


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 154 ✭✭Jenbach110


    Hmm I did consider that but I felt the obligation to try to advise people to take this seriously was of the utmost importance. It has the potential to literally save lives when compared to the treatment as normal cohort ( iow, me saying nothing). Obviously people will criticise any action but I’ll live with myself better a year from now having posted this - and maybe some others will be around too who otherwise wouldn’t be.

    F@#$ the doubters Walter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    IWhat's your mother been treated for? Probably something like atrial fibrillation. Do a chad2Vasc score on her. This tell percentage risk of having a cardiovascular event.if your mom does not turn up to the warfarin clinic, she will not get any warfarin. Warfarin is quite a dangerous medication if not closely monitored.

    Your mom is at way more risk of dying or been permanently disabled from a massive stroke rather than dying of COVID-19. This is an example of the panic that I feared would happen on this thread.

    Yep, atrial fibrillation but what I'm more concerned about is her pulmonary fibrosis which was more than likely a side effect of a drug she was put on for the A. Fib. She needs to be really careful with respiratory infections, a few years back she developed pneumonia and spent over a month in hospital, 8 days of that in ICU. Of late her visits to the warfarin have become almost weekly, I get what you're saying, I suppose like a lot of people I'm quite worried, not so much for myself. She's only one 3 members of my immediate family who are high risk and a close friend who has just started cancer treatment.

    The powers that be are not inspiring me with confidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,473 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I've heard that the person infected has recently returned from tenerife. It's also being stated that its 2 cases confirmed rather than 1.


    how do you know that and they don.t, I mean they might say they don't know who he got it from, would they not say he was abroad, and probably got it there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Just back from the 3rd and final stockpile (until mid-summer). The chap at the checkout (of large supermarket) said they were starting to have supply issues.
    They had no tissue boxes anywhere in the store, and reduced amounts of dry goods 50% of normal pasta/rice etc.

    Another store had (unwisely) a decent enough sale on bogrolls, while parking up outside, a dozen different people emerged with a couple of packets each and went off in different directions.

    Maybe there's a bad curry going around...

    that's because people like you are fcking stockpiling everything!!!!!

    total me feiners


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    tuxy wrote: »
    Do you think they can hold out until after Paddy's day?
    I'd say that's their plan.


    Well I certainly won’t be outside during Paddy’s day. It just isn’t worth taking the risk.

    I am not a PR specialist. I’m just a medic. But it does seem like they really want Paddy’s Day to happen and you might see a lot of tightening soon afterward. That seems silly to me. They seem to be ok being reactive to this and tightening things when they have to a focusing on being proactive and getting in front of this.

    China seems to be doing a really good job of being so tough with their actions that they are getting on top of this. Western liberal democracies probably can’t/won’t be that tough.

    Obviously I’d love to be wrong though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Best thing to do now is isolate the vulnerable groups stat. Where to I don't know but they are an at risk group now.

    Younger healthier people will ride this out, our parents and relatives and immunosopressed may not even if they are robust now.

    Horse before cart maybe.

    I don't know...I see plenty of people in their 30's in worse health than my old lad in his 60's who smokes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Them and their "low risk" bullsh1t.

    Then today. "This was anticipated"

    The lies and obfuscation by various so called public health officials is clear to see. "One or two cases at most", "very low risk". I pray to God that it doesn't go pear shaped. However if it does I expect a lot of public retribution against these figures.


  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Interestingly, locum pharmacy rates are creeping up. Loads of 60 euro/hour jobs. Market is tight enough.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 christy G


    World War Z is coming get watching the walking dead again for tips


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    gmisk wrote: »
    Is this the David McWilliams podcast? It's coming up as 43 minutes long for me

    I assume the Doctor is only on for twenty minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭Ninthlife



    [Younger healthier people will ride/quote]

    Lucky bastards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    his is what's after happening!!

    **To put it into context. We are now where Italy was two weeks ago**

    An Irish doctor diagnosed with the coronavirus unwittingly worked a shift at University Hospital Limerick after not displaying symptoms of the disease.

    It is understood that the man worked at the hospital last Wednesday after returning home from a family holiday in northern Italy, but neither he nor his employers knew he had been infected.

    He is a member of a family of four patients from Co Clare - which includes two males and two females - who all tested positive for Covid-19 on Wednesday night.

    It is the believed that the doctor checked with public health authorities after arriving home and was given the green light to work in the emergency department at UHL last Wednesday, February 26.

    It is believed that the doctor worked a full-shift on the day, coming into contact with large volumes of patients, their relatives, and staff.The shift began Wednesday afternoon and finished later that night.

    There were 36 patients languishing on trolleys in the Limerick emergency department plus a further 29 patients on trolleys on wards on the same day.

    UHL was the most overcrowded hospital in the country on February 26th, when the doctor showed up for work with a total of 65 patients on trolleys.

    On Wednesday night when the four cases were confirmed there were 55 patients on trolleys in total.

    Immediately proper protocols were implemented, and a section of the ED was closed, and patients moved out of the unit to allow for it to be cleaned.

    Ambulances were informed not to transport patients to UHL’s 24-hour emergency department while the newly opened accident and emergency unit was being cleaned.

    Sources said they were concerned for their health and for their families health.
    They also expressed fear that they would be sacked for disclosing information to the media.“He was told he was okay to work by public health authorities.”

    Staff have been “sent off to be swabbed as they were working the same day as (the doctor)”.

    “It’s a chaotic situation because he came home and spoke to public health, and then he came in to the hospital and did his shift last Wednesday.

    "His wife and daughter then became symptomatic two days later.”The four patents confirmed as having Covid-19 have been placed in “isolation bays” which are “completely self-contained.”

    Management have informed staff that proper protocols are in place and they have begun efforts to contain the virus and to trace those who may have been in contact with the doctor who was working in the hospital last Wednesday.

    “This all kicked off last night because they closed down part of the Emergency Department and told ambulance to go ‘off-call’. Staff were sent home that were working on the same day as he was.

    “The situation is evolving. There are two males and two females. The hospital is trying to track down those who may have been in contact with the doctor.

    ”Staff are “worried” but were told that “if they take the right precautions and measures they should be absolutely fine.

    “It’s a week ago that he was in the emergency department. The hospital is now conducting traceability and containment protocols.”"Staff are looking for answers and reassurance and clarity.”Staff treating the four patients with the virus are “gowned up, wearing gloves, masks and eye goggles”.

    Another source said: “As I understand it at the moment, they are conducting traceability and protocols in relation to who may or who may not have come into contact with patients.”

    It dates back to last Wednesday when an individual presented in the ED. There are real concerns now about this spreading fast.

    The source said management at the hospital have been “interacting with staff and setting out protocols.

    “There are concerns in relation to the containment of the virus. Any frontline staff would be first to be exposed.”

    What happens next is the “sixty-four million dollar question”, and largely depends on how well the virus is contained in the hospital, they said.

    “To put it into context. We are now where Italy was two weeks ago.”

    Who do we blame for this ? The Government for not implementing tuff rules or do you blame the Doctor??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    But we’re going to have 2/3rds of the population infected very soon.. despite this happening absolutely nowhere else, and most the countries with infections that we’ve seen have followed a similar graph!

    But yes 2/3rd very shortly with 100s of thousands dead


    A little piece of perspective and a deep breath wouldn’t go amiss here

    Maybe you should look at your last sentence again there for yourself after what you wrote. I certainly hope I have just been wooshed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    So you THINK it's just a cold based on nothing but you are going into infect all everybody else.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    No based on the fact that as of a couple of hours ago there was a handful of people who had Corvid19 in the country all of whom came from Italy. The HSE were saying little chance of community spread! I'm still 99.99% sure it's a cold and as I don't get any sick pay I would go in unless I was very sick.

    The fact that there is community spread verified now means I will probably not go in now and will get examined hopefully tomorrow


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