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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #9302
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    jOHN Hopkins back up https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


  • #9303
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Why not compare it to a coronavirus based common cold - no have to go for worst case scenario

    You got me on my spelling. I know intermittent hosts in the table but we don't know what that was in case of sars2. Both are present in bats. Either way

    Is it bad?

    Yes

    Will people die?

    Probably

    Are we prepared?

    Probably not.

    Feel free to add a point? Something more than you made a typo at 3 in the morning (I'm using maths to round up before you attack me, check it out, sometimes it's ok to do that. Here's the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding)


  • #9304
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    BloodBath wrote: »
    By the time this is over and reasonable estimates can be made it will be well below 1%.

    Death rate starts high in every region and drops over time as deaths happen and are confirmed quicker than recoveries.

    Death rate was 40% in China at 1 point, now 1.5% total. As low as 0.5% in some regions outside of Wuhan. Hubei inflates the total to 1.5% as it was the epicentre of the outbreak and medical services were overwhelmed.

    It's gone back up because of high starting death rates in other countries which will also drop over time as others recover.

    There will then be another large drop when estimates are made for non confirmed cases that will push it below 1% imo.

    It won't stop the media or people in here using overblown numbers though.


    Eh so where are you getting these numbers from? Going by worldometers or BNO China currently has a 3.74% Mortality rate. Your 1.5% is pure fake news.


  • #9305
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,614 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Thanks.

    America is another place where the sh1t will hit that fan in a big way there. With health insurance, work/sick leave policies.

    US treatment and facilities are top notch though, if you can afford it. People without insurance arent refused (emergency) treatment, they are billed afterwards. It's possible that they may waive treatment fees, it's something that is being discussed apparently. They know it is in the interest of public health.

    I'm in the US. We pay a lot for insurance but even then I'd still expect to have to pay a few thousand out of pocket if I was unfortunate enough to get very sick because of this. I wouldn't begrudge uninsured not having to pay though because in the long run it benefits everyone not to have sick people walking around.


  • #9306
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Does Russia really only have 2 cases or are they just not testing?


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  • #9307
    BloodBath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    Eh so where are you getting these numbers from? Going by worldometers or BNO China currently has a 3.74% Mortality rate. Your 1.5% is pure fake news.

    Sorry my bad, I was reading 1 of the numbers outside of Hubei, but the rest still applies. The trend for death rate is still downward.


  • #9308
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Australia to ban South Korean nationals from entering the country - carry out enhanced screenings on Italian arrivals.


  • #9309
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Does Russia really only have 2 cases or are they just not testing?

    We are finding out in this crisis who the trustworthy countries are.

    Russia, China, Turkey, Egypt...these are the bull****ter countries and it's no surprise given those that govern them. It's to be expected.

    Iran took a similar tack to the rest and it blew up in their faces. Can only hide figures for so long.


  • #9310
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Am i the only one still not particularly worried by this?? China seems to be getting under control, surely everyone else is lagging behund as it broke in China earlier so give it a week or two and cases should be declining everywhere.


  • #9311
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    Am i the only one still not particularly worried by this?? China seems to be getting under control, surely everyone else is lagging behund as it broke in China earlier so give it a week or two and cases should be declining everywhere.

    Firstly your timeline is way off.

    Secondly China is a communist dictatorship.

    You can reach your own conclusions on how trustworthy the data is. You don't need the WHO to tell you.


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  • #9312
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    China is a communist dictatorship.

    You can reach your own conclusions on how trustworthy the data is. You don't need the WHO to tell you.

    I would expect a communist dictatorship to actually be better placed to deal with situations like this, quick and decisive action can be taken quite alot quicker.


  • #9313
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    Am i the only one still not particularly worried by this?? China seems to be getting under control, surely everyone else is lagging behund as it broke in China earlier so give it a week or two and cases should be declining everywhere.

    Nowhere else has come close to implementing China's measures, so why are you confident numbers will soon come down?


  • #9314
    Thrashssacre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Nowhere else has come close to implementing China's measures, so why are you confident numbers will soon come down?

    Very true, i guess im assuming the recent spike and good news from China will push them towards using similar measures.


  • #9315
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We are finding out in this crisis who the trustworthy countries are.

    Russia, China, Turkey, Egypt...these are the bull****ter countries and it's no surprise given those that govern them. It's to be expected.

    Iran took a similar tack to the rest and it blew up in their faces. Can only hide figures for so long.

    Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia also have very suspect numbers


  • #9316
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    I read you should put the mask inside a vacuum closed bag with a silica bag, I wouldn’t risk it but...there you go.
    My concern about that would be that it would contaminate the vacuum - and blow the virus into the room assuming you did it inside.


  • #9317
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    digitaldr wrote: »
    Self isolation for who? Close contacts or suspected cases awaiting test results? So what do you suggest?
    Isolation centres. Something like this, where possible:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-student-accommodation-at-sydney-university-turned-into-isolation-centre

    You get an en suite room or an apartment with a fridge full of food and full pay, and ideally a closed outdoor area. There are cameras and basic security. You're not allowed leave and doing so results in being physically restricted to your room as well as a heavy fine and potentially further punishment.

    Repurposing less busy hotels for it might work. Give plenty of lead time and refund bookings.

    This is secondary though to things like postponing st Patrick's day parades and other public gatherings, restricting travel to and from hot zones, encouraging work from home etc.


  • #9318
    bmcc10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Andre Spoiled Lacrosse wrote: »
    Isolation centres. Something like this, where possible:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-student-accommodation-at-sydney-university-turned-into-isolation-centre

    You get an en suite room or an apartment with a fridge full of food and full pay, and ideally a closed outdoor area. There are cameras and basic security. You're not allowed leave and doing so results in being physically restricted to your room as well as a heavy fine and potentially further punishment.

    Repurposing less busy hotels for it might work. Give plenty of lead time and refund bookings.

    This is secondary though to things like postponing st Patrick's day parades and other public gatherings, restricting travel to and from hot zones, encouraging work from home etc.

    Real life Big Brother.


  • #9319
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    bmcc10 wrote: »
    Real life Big Brother.
    That's amazon alexa.

    Monitoring in your own home would be another option, where the home was suitable. What I described above would allow full privacy within the room/apartment.


  • #9320
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Does Russia really only have 2 cases or are they just not testing?

    in soviet Russia, covid tests you


  • #9321
    je551e
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭je551e


    Doomsday from the independent


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  • #9322
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    in soviet Russia, covid tests you

    And in Turkey also. Zero cases there. So Russia and Turkey population 225 million combined have two cases. I don't believe that.


  • #9323
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    je551e wrote: »
    Doomsday from the independent

    banned from attending funerals? that'll never work,


  • #9324
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    je551e wrote: »
    Doomsday from the independent

    Click bait from the indo trying to get a few subscriptions, of course they have to have a doomsday scenario but if we don't have any deaths which we shouldn't have for at least 3 weeks it will never be implemented.
    I'll wait until 7am and get the examiners take on it.


  • #9325
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I am aware of that..but rather I think it is WHO making that assumption based on stats by worldometer rather than the other way around. I dont think WHO have taken into account mild cases, healthcare variation by region, demographics of victims, to come to a final figure of 3.4%

    They specifically mention CFR will be higher in the west no matter how sophisticated the healthcare system if we do not aggressively contain the virus. Also the West has an older demographic, so they warn if we do not slow it down ...


  • #9326
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    banned from attending funerals? that'll never work,

    I posted that would be likely back in thread one or two, that this thing is going to cause a huge mindset shift. You can’t have an open coffin, you can’t wake, hug/shake hands with 100’s of people. Walk yourself through it, can’t be done during this. The emotional side of this will be hard to adapt too as the Irish do death very well.

    From the start look at the actions, not the news, spin, what we knew to be truthful as much as we could from what was going on in China. They didn’t shoot their economy in the head for no reason, they had to get on top of this and it took huge huge efforts.

    Other countries ignored this, now we see Italy and how it’s rising. We have no excuse, take the measures needed as soon as possible to slow this, give the health systems a chance. Think about what happens if we don’t.


  • #9327
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,433 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Doomsday plans. Lol.

    Even if you tasked every Garda, Garda Reservist, Defence Forces member, Reserve DF and Civil Defence to emergency measures, that would give you 30,000 personnel to try and implement them.

    But then you take off 20% who will be sick with C19 at any one time, maybe closer to 30% because of the nature of their public interaction, and those tasked with protection of vital installations and other critical duties and others indisposed with other illness or desertion of duty and you might have 15,000 to try and wrangle
    5 million people.

    G'luck wit dat.


  • #9328
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    There may be trouble ahead if my sources are correct, seems one of the cases out west is a doctor who's been treating patients since he got back from Italy. I won't name the location but shouldn't take long before the news breaks.

    Actually pretty sure my source is correct, the confirmation came from the national school text system.


  • #9329
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    @Larbre I think if this goes bad people will pull together, I really believe the majority will do what’s needed. Hopefully that’ll be enough so that the guards/army can deal with the scrotes.


  • #9330
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Drunk monkey that doesn’t bear thinking about.


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  • #9331
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    pc7 wrote: »
    Drunk monkey that doesn’t bear thinking about.

    Got it from someone on the ground there, txt went out to parents at 10.20 last night, it's only a little village, the doctor bit is worrying if it's true he's been working away.


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