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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    All the *filtering* masks have ratings, ffp1-3, only ffp3 is rated for viruses. Ffp2 is rated for aerosols but whether that's enough is impossible to say yet, ffp3 is the one to wear.

    A surgical mask doesn't filter and won't protect you from inhalation, it might from bringing a contaminated surface into contact with your mouth, if used properly.

    None of those masks will protect your eyes which are another point of incorporation
    I’ve been saying that if you are going to the trouble of wearing one of those masks, wear also eyes protection, that should be the easier to find, a pair of swimming googles would do (you’d have to desinfect them every time).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Radharc na Sleibhte


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Has anyone read any reports from folk who have had the virus and recovered, to see how bad they said it was?

    Yeah, Welsh lad in Wuhan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    If you have a bedroom with an en-suite you may have a chance, if not is a logistic nightmare.
    I read the account of a person who got it in China, he talked about how he used disposable plates and cutlery and had his own bathroom.
    But imagine a family of four sharing a bath, or if more than one person is sick....

    There's some disturbing evidence around the whole takin a ****e with this virus.

    https://twitter.com/robin_densford/status/1226245726038056963?s=20


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Has anyone read any reports from folk who have had the virus and recovered, to see how bad they said it was?

    Google "I have coronavirus but it hasn't been too bad" for an example. Elderly man, said he'd have kept going to work if he was let.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Bozo Skeleton


    Roll your own bro, or else top load her and then pass it :p

    That's pretty solid advice in any situation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Has anyone read any reports from folk who have had the virus and recovered, to see how bad they said it was?


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/to-hell-and-back-my-three-weeks-suffering-from-coronavirus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    I’ve been saying that if you are going to the trouble of wearing one of those masks, wear also eyes protection, that should be the easier to find, a pair of swimming googles would do (you’d have to desinfect them every time).

    Yep I said the same elsewhere.. if you're going to the bother of it (which I don't actually believe is necessary for the vast majority, getting more people to practice better hygiene will help more imo, and in the long run) then you need to do it properly, so goggles and gloves, no touching your phone etc, and also taking the equipment on and off properly without contaminating amything, and like you say disinfecting the goggles and getting news masks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    There's some disturbing evidence around the whole takin a ****e with this virus.

    https://twitter.com/robin_densford/status/1226245726038056963?s=20

    That’s disturbing and is going to give me nightmares:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Masks are likely to be in short supply.
    Ideally you dispose of them after use.
    In a pinch, could you just leave them in front of a window for a few days and then safely reuse them?
    I've found that they still work fine for stone and wood dust after multiple uses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,801 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yep I said the same elsewhere.. if you're going to the bother of it (which I don't actually believe is necessary for the vast majority, getting more people to practice better hygiene will help more imo, and in the long run) then you need to do it properly, so goggles and gloves, no touching your phone etc, and also taking the equipment on and off properly without contaminating amything

    I would have thought if you were worried about picking up the virus through casual contact in urban areas, disposable gloves would be far more protective than a mask.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    gozunda wrote: »
    So is not washing your hands correctly - but oddly dont see that been continuously rabitted on about

    Using a N95 style face mask properly and learning how to use it and to take it off - isn't rocket science. Same as learning how to properly wash your hands...
    Think about how stupid the average person is..... half the people are stupider than that


    It’s difficult in a highly regulated bio pharmaceutical facility to make sure that everyone follows the proper procedures, these are all highly informed highly trained staff. For the general public it’s not gonna happen. Nothing will convince Nigel to do basics like flush the toilet, never mind wash his hands with The Who technique at regular intervals

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    That’s disturbing and is going to give me nightmares:(

    If that's giving you nightmares imagine how bad it will have gotten by the time the Irish government release the street the infected person lives on, [url=" https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/move-to-weekly-uk-coronavirus-updates-criticised-by-experts"]as South Korea are.[/url]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Exactly, these masks are supposed to be single use, and should be left for the healthcare workers properly trained in their use, or those who really need them for their own sake and been shown how to fit them

    Cant depend on the great unwashed ever learning to use them. That and washing hands properly eh? ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,377 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Cuckoo7 wrote: »
    That’s disturbing and is going to give me nightmares:(

    A lot of people don't close the toilet lid when flushing, even in their own house. Disgusting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    Masks are likely to be in short supply.
    Ideally you dispose of them after use.
    In a pinch, could you just leave them in front of a window for a few days and then safely reuse them?
    I've found that they still work fine for stone and wood dust after multiple uses.

    I read you should put the mask inside a vacuum closed bag with a silica bag, I wouldn’t risk it but...there you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Think about how stupid the average person is..... half the people are stupider than that


    It’s difficult in a highly regulated bio pharmaceutical facility to make sure that everyone follows the proper procedures, these are all highly informed highly trained staff. For the general public it’s not gonna happen. Nothing will convince Nigel to do basics like flush the toilet, never mind wash his hands with The Who technique at regular intervals

    We're all fooked so ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Makes sense. Are you wearing one when you are out in public now?

    No. All the tales from posters about people coughing and sneezing profusely must be a Dublin thing as I haven't observed people lately doing that. Must be the healthy country air. I am using hand sanitising gel, washing my hands and generally keeping them away from my face when out and about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Masks are likely to be in short supply.
    Ideally you dispose of them after use.
    In a pinch, could you just leave them in front of a window for a few days and then safely reuse them?
    I've found that they still work fine for stone and wood dust after multiple uses.

    Much bigger particles though.. also keep away from the sunlight, moisture and temperature changes you'd get at a window, the seal might also deform with reuse

    But also, different type of particles.. the mask itself can now be assumed to be contaminated and shouldn't be touched really.. we don't know yet how long the virus could survive inside the material


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Beachballz


    Guy I work with had his infected area mother in law staying for 2 weeks and didn't inform anybody in the office. That was until he brought in surplus food from home for the team. Food his mother in law brought from her home country. He also showed flu like symptoms, was sent home and did not show up today.

    I am pretty sure we are ok since the guy's mother in law has been here 2 weeks and hasn't been diagnosed with an illness. But it did create a scare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Just a question on self-isolation.

    Suppose someone in your office tests positive for the virus and everyone is sent home and told to self-isolate.
    Should all the colleagues separate themselves from their own family - husband/wife and kids - as in stay in one room ideally en-suite for the 14 days?
    What about the family members of all the colleagues ? Can they go to work/school ?

    Very confused by this.

    It's hard one. Who to believe. The HSE or a peer reviewed article in a credible journal.

    "A Familial Cluster of Infection Associated With the 2019 Novel Coronavirus Indicating Possible Person-to-Person Transmission During the Incubation Period "

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1229824567918694400?s=20


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    There's some disturbing evidence around the whole takin a ****e with this virus.

    https://twitter.com/robin_densford/status/1226245726038056963?s=20

    Oh yes the same crap that's been said on twitter over and over again and posted here as fact when it's a load of BS.

    Disturbing evidence? What evidence? Read the bloody article and you would realise there is none.

    Read the rules about posting ****e on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    gozunda wrote: »
    We're all fooked so ...

    We can’t rely on everyone voluntarily following complex procedures
    We need central government action. Public health announcements can slow the spread allowing the opportunity to implement vaccines or other public health interventions

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Mainland China had 139 new confirmed cases of coronavirus infections on Wednesday, the country’s National Health Commission said on Thursday, up from 119 cases a day earlier, and 125 cases on March 2.

    31 new deaths recorded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    The self isolation policy is insufficient. It’s just about making the eventual spread the individual’s fault, not the government’s.
    The over the top privacy concerns are a way of pushing that narrative.

    Self isolation for who? Close contacts or suspected cases awaiting test results? So what do you suggest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I would have thought if you were worried about picking up the virus through casual contact in urban areas, disposable gloves would be far more protective than a mask.

    Still a risk of touching your eyes or mouth with dirty gloves though.. hygiene and being careful about touching surfaces in the first place are the way to go imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Much bigger particles though.. also keep away from the sunlight, moisture and temperature changes you'd get at a window, the seal might also deform with reuse

    But also, different type of particles.. the mask itself can now be assumed to be contaminated and shouldn't be touched really.. we don't know yet how long the virus could survive inside the material

    Good point. I'd err on side of caution based on studies of similar viruses.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1228036300583972866
    More good news, sorry. Forearmed is forewarned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,033 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    irishgeo wrote: »
    All the jumping up and down about banning flights to italy when Belfast hasn't done it and they aren't riddled with covid 19. You cant ban flights from italy unless the uk does too or what's the point.

    Do flights from Italy go up there, so far all Irish covid19 cases are from Italy travels so a ban seems obvious plan of action to start with


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    New study suggests coronaviruses could survive on inanimate objects for well over a week - though this is based on old SARS virus, not the new

    So they have no proof at all - dumb ass twitter accounts again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Good point. I'd err on side of caution based on studies of similar viruses.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1228036300583972866
    More good news, sorry. Forearmed is forewarned.

    More speculative nonsense.

    Twitter really is a cesspit of morons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Do flights from Italy go up there, so far all Irish covid19 cases are from Italy travels so a ban seems obvious plan of action to start with
    Ryanair does Bergamo - Belfast.


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