Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

SafeSurfer · 03-03-2020 12:36PM

On the radio this morning a virus expert was explaining how this virus is promiscuous. That is, other DNA easily attaches to it. Worst case scenario is it mixes with furious rabies and the zombie apocalypse becomes a reality.
That’s the worst case scenario mind.

the butcher · 03-03-2020 12:36PM

https://eddiehobbs.com/ireland-playing-jenga-with-national-finances/

Akrasia · 03-03-2020 12:36PM

quokula wrote: »

There's a consistent trend with qualified medical professionals saying we should be vigilant but there's no reason to panic, vs random people with no qualifications on twitter saying we're all doomed.

It's the absolute inverse of the climate crisis where the experts continually tell us that we should be very, very worried, and nobody can be arsed taking it seriously.

And most of the same people who call people 'alarmists' for believing the science on climate change, are now declaring the end of the world, calling for the whole country to be locked down and calling all the experts idiots who don't know what they're talking about

It's mad, the economic harm from shutting the borders of our 'Small Open Economy' for the ??? length of time it would take to wait for this global pandemic to blow over, would cover the cost of buying every single household in the country an EV (assuming it knocked a conservative 15% off our GNP)

odyssey06 · 03-03-2020 12:37PM

from The Guardian summarising the UK government press conference on the virus:
Infections in UK would peak three months after first sustained transmission
The government are working on the basis that it will take between two and three months after the first sustained human to human transmission for the outbreak to peak. That potentially key point on time frames was spelled out by Britain’s chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance.
After that it would take another two to three months for it to taper off.

schmoo2k · 03-03-2020 12:38PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Eh not really when it’s complied like an official HSE letter. Why are you defending moronic behaviour?

I am not defending it - but without it, social media would be a wasteland - part of the moronic behavior is falling for it...

skepticalme · 03-03-2020 12:41PM

Effects wrote: »

Almost certain I heard about this letter on Newstalk this morning and it's an elaborate fake.

schmoo2k · 03-03-2020 12:44PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Eh not really when it’s complied like an official HSE letter. Why are you defending moronic behaviour?

Further - Yes real news stories do show up in my feeds as well, its just you have to assume its all fake until you can independently verify it (and don't get me started on the deep fake videos!).

But seriously, if folks are blindly believing what they see on WhatsApp / Facebook they are not going to be in a good place to start with...

Outlaw Pete · 03-03-2020 12:45PM

skepticalme wrote: »

Almost certain I heard about this letter on Newstalk this morning and it's an elaborate fake.

Yeah, looks like they used the HSE letter to the parents of students at the Glasnevin school as a template.

ArmaniJeanss · 03-03-2020 12:45PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ports and airports closed to passengers . Cargo continues to move. Some kind of border control in place coming into the Republic. You say that's impossible but plans for this would already have been drawn up in case of a no deal Brexit.

A problem is cargo and passengers come in on the same boats/planes.
The price of the cargo shipment dramatically increases if the carrier can't spread the cost by also carrying a few hundred paying passengers. The carrier may often decide it's no longer a worthwhile journey and a different route is used.

Price of import of medicine goes up, or medicine doesn't arrive = people dying. Blood on the hands of whoever implements your idea.

Just underlining that it is not always as simple as you think.

Goldengirl · 03-03-2020 12:46PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I'm referencing the border between north and south .

Closing the airports and ports is not impossible as your man says. But it's not going to happen. There is no will to actually take steps required so keep buying the sanitizer and hope the chap beside you on the bus hasn't been in contact with an infected person overseas. A week or so ago media was reporting on news cases. This person just came back from China or that person is back from Italy.
Remove adding new cases brought in from abroad by closing points of entry and isolate anyone showing symptoms. Control the problem .

But it's not going to happen. C'est la vie

Russia have 3 cases , 1 only in the last 2 days , the others further back and recovered.
Banned flights from some hotspots. Screening others at airports. Banning large scale gatherings and have five new vaccines almost ready to go.
Weh-hey Russia! Let's all move there!

Blueshoe · 03-03-2020 12:46PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yeah, looks like they used the HSE letter to the parents of students at the Glasnevin school as a template.

They did a good job in fairness. Looks legit and people love a good worry

Timberrrrrrrr · 03-03-2020 12:47PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ports and airports closed to passengers . Cargo continues to move. Some kind of border control in place coming into the Republic. You say that's impossible but plans for this would already have been drawn up in case of a no deal Brexit. I'm talking about 3 weeks to 1 month. It's nowhere near impossible. That's just a lazy attitude.
You want to either stop transmission of the virus or not. China managed to lock down 50 million people. The problem within the EU is open borders and no central control. Different governments with different opinions and facilities available. We as an island still have a chance to contain but people won't take the necessary steps.

You can wash your hands all day but if you continue to allow free movement of people you are p1ssing against the wind sir

So drivers from all over Europe continue to enter ireland, what about irish citizens wishing to return home?

Tacitus Kilgore · 03-03-2020 12:48PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I'm referencing the border between north and south .

Closing the airports and ports is not impossible as your man says. But it's not going to happen. There is no will to actually take steps required so keep buying the sanitizer and hope the chap beside you on the bus hasn't been in contact with an infected person overseas. A week or so ago media was reporting on news cases. This person just came back from China or that person is back from Italy.
Remove adding new cases brought in from abroad by closing points of entry and isolate anyone showing symptoms. Control the problem .

But it's not going to happen. C'est la vie

You'd indirectly kill more people by closing the ports and airports than you'd save from coronavirus, plus the long term economic recovery would also kill folk.

These decisions are not made lightly, and not off the back of hysteria

tuxy · 03-03-2020 12:49PM

skepticalme wrote: »

Almost certain I heard about this letter on Newstalk this morning and it's an elaborate fake.

I don't see what's elaborate about it.

03-03-2020 12:51PM

Mate after texting from Dublin Airport says its dead quiet and was through security in 2 minutes. Would it not be like that this time of the day and year anyway though? He's off to Gran Canaria btw.

Dyr · 03-03-2020 12:52PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So drivers from all over Europe continue to enter ireland, what about irish citizens wishing to return home?

You realise we can lower the risk factor substantially without sealing the borders?

A row of What ifs don't cut it, what if me aunt had balls would she be my uncle.

Dr. Bre · 03-03-2020 12:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate after texting from Dublin Airport says its dead quiet and was through security in 2 minutes. Would it not be like that this time of the day and year anyway though? He's off to Gran Canaria btw.

Gran Coronia more like...

Blueshoe · 03-03-2020 12:55PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So drivers from all over Europe continue to enter ireland, what about irish citizens wishing to return home?

It's all about lowering the risk. If an essential small number need to pass through its much better than just handing out leaflets to hundreds of thousands.
Irish citizens may return home but go straight into isolation and monitoring.

They either want to contain the virus or they don't. Keep your negativity and defeated attitude.

Steve F · 03-03-2020 12:56PM

Worth a watch when you have time.WHO press update yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4rW3QFiuN8&list=LLripjHu9ipe42m93N5-z1YQ

Blueshoe · 03-03-2020 12:57PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Russia have 3 cases , 1 only in the last 2 days , the others further back and recovered.
Banned flights from some hotspots. Screening others at airports. Banning large scale gatherings and have five new vaccines almost ready to go.
Weh-hey Russia! Let's all move there!

Right ok. Enjoy your one way flight

frillyleaf · 03-03-2020 12:57PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

See that bold part there, that's called "THE FLU" not you average cold that irish people get and BELIEVE they have the flu, but the actual flu.

You mention children in your above post and forget to mention there is not a SINGLE death worldwide recorded of a person under the age of 19.

Stop listening to sky news and do some research.

I meant to say in my post it must be scary for people with parents /children / family with compromised immune systems when things like this happen and have edited my post accordingly. I had a hospital stay with the flu and was extremely sick so I understand what having the actual flu is.

Anything that could potentially clog up a poorly managed health system is a concern for people that have vulnerable people in their family. The point I was making earlier is that precaution can somewhat be taken through vaccinations for vulnerable people but there is no vaccine for this so people shouldn’t be complacent and follow guidelines as it puts *vulnerable* people at risk.

Many people seem to think this is “just a cold/ flu” and that sort of mentality could mean people don’t take *simple precautions* if there are more cases here. eg isolation, avoiding crowded places if showing symptoms after flying from an affected regions.

I don’t watch sky news. I listen to people who are qualified to make judgement. I’m not in any way anxious about the virus but do feel it shouldn’t be compared to “ just a cold or a flu” as this will put vulnerable people at greater risk.

Blueshoe · 03-03-2020 12:58PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You'd indirectly kill more people by closing the ports and airports than you'd save from coronavirus, plus the long term economic recovery would also kill folk.

These decisions are not made lightly, and not off the back of hysteria

It's 3 weeks to a month. Nobody is talking about turning us into a north Korean style hermit Kingdom where everyone must have the same haircut as Leo

retro:electro · 03-03-2020 12:59PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Further - Yes real news stories do show up in my feeds as well, its just you have to assume its all fake until you can independently verify it (and don't get me started on the deep fake videos!).

But seriously, if folks are blindly believing what they see on WhatsApp / Facebook they are not going to be in a good place to start with...

Dropped into a fast moving thread like this without explanation it could cause people undue panic. People who get thrills out of this kind of thing and take part in hoaxes like this are morons of the highest order and should be shot with pellets of their own ****e

odyssey06 · 03-03-2020 12:59PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I don’t watch sky news. I listen to people who are qualified to make judgement. I’m not in any way anxious about the virus but do feel it shouldn’t be compared to “ just a cold or a flu” as this will put vulnerable people at greater risk.

For one thing, flu isn't a notifiable disease. If we want to relate it to a disease in the same category I think we should be saying, it's like TB pre-antibiotics.

sjb25 · 03-03-2020 12:59PM

Boris will shake hands with everyone

https://www.facebook.com/164665060214766/posts/3479244058756833/?vh=e&d=n

joe40 · 03-03-2020 01:00PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ports and airports closed to passengers . Cargo continues to move. Some kind of border control in place coming into the Republic. You say that's impossible but plans for this would already have been drawn up in case of a no deal Brexit. I'm talking about 3 weeks to 1 month. It's nowhere near impossible. That's just a lazy attitude.
You want to either stop transmission of the virus or not. China managed to lock down 50 million people. The problem within the EU is open borders and no central control. Different governments with different opinions and facilities available. We as an island still have a chance to contain but people won't take the necessary steps.

You can wash your hands all day but if you continue to allow free movement of people you are p1ssing against the wind sir

So what happens after 3 weeks to a month. The Virus will still exist, there will still be no vaccine.
Back where we started with severe economic disruption.

Loafing Oaf · 03-03-2020 01:01PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's all about lowering the risk. If an essential small number need to pass through its much better than just handing out leaflets to hundreds of thousands.

Indeed. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of Italian fliers who have seeded this infection all across Europe were not engaged in any life-and-death errands. What about some sort of permit system for people looking to get into or out of high-risk regions? Skiing trips wouldn't cut it...

03-03-2020 01:02PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

See that bold part there, that's called "THE FLU" not you average cold that irish people get and BELIEVE they have the flu, but the actual flu.

You mention children in your above post and forget to mention there is not a SINGLE death worldwide recorded of a person under the age of 19.

Stop listening to sky news and do some research.

Up to 30% of those that spread the flu exhibit no symptoms themselves. See point 5.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

copeyhagen · 03-03-2020 01:05PM

is it possible the young lad that came back from italy was on the same flight as the nordy woman?

jam_mac_jam · 03-03-2020 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Up to 30% of those that spread the flu exhibit no symptoms themselves. See point 5.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

That's really interesting. I actually did learn something from this thread today

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP