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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #4562
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    blanch152 wrote: »
    No country has enough ventilation to cope with a widespread epidemic. Expecting it is just typical Irish entitlement.

    This is true actually.

    There seems to be this attitude that health systems abroad are milk and honey compared to ours.

    This is not the case as anyone who has experience in France or the UK will tell you!

    They all have their own serious issues - just different issues


  • #4563
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    During this emergency you will be limited to 1 google search per hour. Use it wisely!

    3bfcdb1335868031.jpg


  • #4564
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    blanch152 wrote: »
    No country has enough ventilation to cope with a widespread epidemic. Expecting it is just typical Irish entitlement.
    We and other countries may have to ramp up the whole ventilation/supplementary O2 thing if this dose becomes a seasonal pandemic like flu or the common cold(another coronavirus).

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #4565
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Wibbs wrote: »
    From what I've seen there seems to be a couple of "bugs" going around since Christmas. There was the one around Christmas/New year which for the people I knew who had it would have them crapping themselves now as far as symptoms go; fever, headache, no upper respiratory involvement(no snotters out the nose) and a cough which took ages to feck off. Actually one mate of mine and his family who had it, have in the last ten days got another dose that's similar. That dose didn't seem to affect all. So in the above family of five three got it, one quite bad, but two appeared to get nada. Like I say if it were this week... I know a couple of others with common cold type doses too and one with what defo appears to be flu(rapid onset, utterly fecked take to the bed).

    I had the Chrismas plague you describe and if I caught it now I would indeed be crapping myself. I've had it twice and am just getting rid of the cough

    I've a sinus infection now


  • #4566
    JoeFritzl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭JoeFritzl


    Why was Coronavirus Part IV closed by Beasty? I had written a big reply and it said it was closed...


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  • #4567
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    JoeFritzl wrote: »
    Why was Coronavirus Part IV closed by Beasty? I had written a big reply and it said it was closed...

    Jesus we are only on part 3??


  • #4568
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    JoeFritzl wrote: »
    Why was Coronavirus Part IV closed by Beasty? I had written a big reply and it said it was closed...

    Because there was no need for two threads. This one still has 5000 posts to go before it's too big.


  • #4569
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    JoeFritzl wrote: »
    Why was Coronavirus Part IV closed by Beasty? I had written a big reply and it said it was closed...

    Are you from the future


  • #4570
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,003 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Ranked by a self selected sample of "customers" who happened upon that website.

    I'd be fairly confident that sites data set is statistically relevant. It's certainly incomparably better than the absolute tripe the WHO publish.


  • #4571
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    blanch152 wrote: »
    No country has enough ventilation to cope with a widespread epidemic. Expecting it is just typical Irish entitlement.

    Jesus Christ, where did I say that??? I merely said this is the concern that many people had. What an absolutely bizarre post.


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  • #4572
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Because there was no need for two threads. This one still has 5000 posts to go before it's too big.

    part four opens when the 26 counties has 2 cases of Corona


  • #4573
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Stheno wrote: »
    I had the Chrismas plague you describe and if I caught it now I would indeed be crapping myself.

    I've a sinus infection now
    Just sneeze whenever you get on any public transport. You will quickly find a number of empty seats to choose from.....

    I actually suffer from sneezing fits when it can go on for a few minutes due to very bad sinus problems. I've decamped to an office on the other side of the building recently but when I do have one of those fits everyone from the main office can hear me well enough to don their facemasks:pac:


  • #4574
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    blanch152 wrote: »
    No country has enough ventilation to cope with a widespread epidemic. Expecting it is just typical Irish entitlement.

    Could we not just open a window


  • #4575
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Beasty wrote: »
    You have "strongly argued" your side throughout

    I am instructing you to respect the rights of others to express their views. We can all see what you are saying, but please do not dismiss others who have the same rights to express their views. If you continue to do so I will stop you posting in the thread

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to any mod warnings in-thread

    Listen don't bother I'll stop myself posting in the thread as it seems to have been overrun by HSE cheerleaders.

    Regards, Luke.


  • #4576
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

    How about this one then? 19th in the world. Quick glance shows ~10 EU members ahead of us. Not bad for a healthcare system that "consistently ranks as one of the worst performing in Europe".

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-worst-of-36-countries-for-ease-of-access-to-healthcare-1.2955900?mode=amp


    https://www.economist.com/europe/2019/03/21/health-care-in-ireland-leaves-much-to-be-desired

    https://www.joe.ie/news/survey-reveals-that-the-irish-healthcare-system-is-almost-the-worst-in-europe-527980


    You must be living under a rock if you don't know how piss poor the healthcare system is in this country. It's been a major issue for years.
    People waiting years for appointments, people dying on trolleys.
    Imagine this system under pandemic conditions. Good luck


  • #4577
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Theme movie for COVID-19 is 'No country for old men'


  • #4578
    TTLF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    I feel bad for the people who'll become paranoid over a normal flu developing thinking it's the Corona Virus lmao. The poor souls


  • #4579
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Friend of mine has her honeymoon in Japan booked for late March to mid April and hasn't a clue what to do for the best. Japan has currently reported < 300 cases, minus the ones from the quarantined cruise ship, but there is no travel advisory from the UK (where she's based) and the airline is refusing to refund flights.

    Because this has gone so global, she doesn't know if there's any point in cancelling, since there are already cases in the UK and will be more if the average Brit's awareness of hygiene and manners is anything to go by (just in London for a few days and couldn't get over how many people were coughing, sneezing and spluttering all over the place without covering mouths) and at least the Japanese are hygienic and have some sense of social responsibility.

    On the other hand, she would be quite an anxious person and she's worried the trip would be wrecked with worrying about catching the virus or being stuck there in a quarantine. It's hard to know what to advise really, as the situation keeps changing and we're all battered by so many different takes and viewpoints.


  • #4580
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Listen don't bother I'll stop myself posting in the thread as it seems to have been overrun by HSE cheerleaders.

    Regards, Luke.

    The thread has been cured.


  • #4581
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Listen don't bother I'll stop myself posting in the thread as it seems to have been overrun by HSE cheerleaders.

    Regards, Luke.
    Fair enough - but to be clear you are now banned from posting in this and all future threads on this topic


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  • #4582
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rdwight


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Here, you might like to see how our health system is rated by the customers: https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/rankings_by_country.jsp
    You mean you have to have actually used the health service to participate in the survey? Or can you just be part of that most unscientific group - the self-selecting with attitude.


  • #4583
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234583446711869440


  • #4584
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I'd be fairly confident that sites data set is statistically relevant. It's certainly incomparably better than the absolute tripe the WHO publish.

    I wouldn't.

    https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/country_result.jsp?country=Ireland

    "Contributors: 364

    Last update: February 2020

    These data are based on perceptions of visitors of this website in the past 3 years."

    https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/indices_explained.jsp

    "This section is based on surveys from visitors of this website. Questions for these surveys are similar to many similar scientific and government surveys.

    Each entry in the survey is saved as the number in the range [-2, +2], with -2 having meaning of strongly negative and +2 meaning of strongly positive.

    We filter surveys to eliminate potential spam, like people entering a large amount of data which are differentiating from the median value.

    To present survey result, we use the scale [0, 100] for values since it is easier to read for users.

    To generate a current index (which is always updated) we use data up to 36 months old. We include only cities for which there are at least a certain number of contributors. Our semiannual index is remade twice per year by pushing current index into this historical view."

    So you have a tiny self selected sample. 364 over 3 years. That's only 121.3 per year. And if you're answers are too far off the average, they disregard it.

    I doubt any well regarded research company would hang their hat on such shoddy methodology.


  • #4585
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Is it as feisty as this on Canoeing & Kayaking, Beasty?


  • #4586
    hurikane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭hurikane


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    Friend of mine has her honeymoon in Japan booked for late March to mid April and hasn't a clue what to do for the best. Japan has currently reported < 300 cases, minus the ones from the quarantined cruise ship, but there is no travel advisory from the UK (where she's based) and the airline is refusing to refund flights.

    Because this has gone so global, she doesn't know if there's any point in cancelling, since there are already cases in the UK and will be more if the average Brit's awareness of hygiene and manners is anything to go by (just in London for a few days and couldn't get over how many people were coughing, sneezing and spluttering all over the place without covering mouths) and at least the Japanese are hygienic and have some sense of social responsibility.

    On the other hand, she would be quite an anxious person and she's worried the trip would be wrecked with worrying about catching the virus or being stuck there in a quarantine. It's hard to know what to advise really, as the situation keeps changing and we're all battered by so many different takes and viewpoints.

    Cancel both honeymoon and wedding.


  • #4587
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Wibbs wrote: »
    We and other countries may have to ramp up the whole ventilation/supplementary O2 thing if this dose becomes a seasonal pandemic like flu or the common cold(another coronavirus).

    If it becomes a seasonal pandemic, one would hope that a vaccine or some effective antiviral drug would be available next time. Or maybe that some of us would have some natural immunity by then, having recovered from an earlier infection.

    The problem this time is that no one has immunity and no effective treatment is known.

    We can only hope that the numbers remain low, so that the health system is not swamped by a surge of very sick people.


  • #4588
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Stheno wrote: »
    I had the Chrismas plague you describe and if I caught it now I would indeed be crapping myself. I've had it twice and am just getting rid of the cough

    I've a sinus infection now

    We all had it here in January and it was definitely worse than the usual kind of doses. Family members who never really catch stuff came down with it too, took about a week to 10 days to recover.

    Maybe we all had Coronavirus already and are now immune??

    #wishfulthinking

    But seriously, this thing could be around longer than we realise given the slow response initially in China and the fact that tests are only available recently.

    Maybe the high density of population in Wuhan meant that so many cases went noticed and were investigated.

    It would be interesting to see pneumonia stats for past few years to see if there was an unusual sharp increase or trend in late December in areas other than Wuhan.


  • #4589
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Is it as feisty as this on Canoeing & Kayaking, Beasty?

    in fairness, boards has really come alive in 2020 , hardly used it for years.


  • #4590
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/i-have-coronavirus-but-it-hasnt-been-too-bad-and-it-doesnt-have-to-be-a-terrible-calamity-39004839.html

    Tip of the hat to one of our own"ah it LL be grand crew " 😠from the horses mouth this lad is over 60 saying it's not too bad


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  • #4591
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    Friend of mine has her honeymoon in Japan booked for late March to mid April and hasn't a clue what to do for the best. Japan has currently reported < 300 cases, minus the ones from the quarantined cruise ship, but there is no travel advisory from the UK (where she's based) and the airline is refusing to refund flights.

    Because this has gone so global, she doesn't know if there's any point in cancelling, since there are already cases in the UK and will be more if the average Brit's awareness of hygiene and manners is anything to go by (just in London for a few days and couldn't get over how many people were coughing, sneezing and spluttering all over the place without covering mouths) and at least the Japanese are hygienic and have some sense of social responsibility.

    On the other hand, she would be quite an anxious person and she's worried the trip would be wrecked with worrying about catching the virus or being stuck there in a quarantine. It's hard to know what to advise really, as the situation keeps changing and we're all battered by so many different takes and viewpoints.

    All the information is there to weigh up the risks and make a decision. She's an adult.

    Not the end of the world if she has to forego a trip in fairness.


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