Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

gmisk · 02-03-2020 08:53PM

Tippex wrote: »

According to an RTE news now notification "Thousands of Google staff in dublin told to work from home tomorrow after staff member reports flu-like symptoms"

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1119791/

It clearly says in that story it is a drill

Boggles · 02-03-2020 08:54PM

Tippex wrote: »

According to an RTE news now notification "Thousands of Google staff in dublin told to work from home tomorrow after staff member reports flu-like symptoms"

It's a drill apparently.

killbillvol2 · 02-03-2020 08:54PM

Abba987 wrote: »

Is there no obligation to make this known if its a reportable illness ?

Stupidity is a reportable illness?

bodhrandude · 02-03-2020 08:56PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I'm just after reading a comment on an Irish Facebook page from someone asking - would the HSE care to comment on 14 cases in the mater and not on the one that's already reported.

Something like that anyways.

A follow up comment - staff are being threatened with job losses/legal action if it gets out because of patient confidentiality.

If that's true it's shocking and it appears as if the HSE might be hiding behind patient confidentiality to down play this crisis.

Nobody wants to know patients personal details but we do need to know if this is kicking off in Ireland. We also need to know if these are cases where people returned from high risk areas abroad or if it's community transmitted.

Is this the official HSE Facebook page.

Blueshoe · 02-03-2020 08:57PM

gmisk wrote: »

That's still 27million plus without any,and don't they tend to have huge deductibles etc?

The hse though.

Mr.Wemmick · 02-03-2020 08:58PM

Do we have any indication as the ages of the people who have died so far?

Two patients died in France today, but there is no info on their age, if they were suffering from any health conditions, etc.

Pseudonym121 · 02-03-2020 08:58PM

There are portions of contracts in the HSE for Consultants which state that if you want to talk to the media etc you need to get clearance from management and your Clinical Director not only to speak but also about what you are going to say. Not doing this can result in disciplinary action and firing. You can be certain to prevent scaremongering that the HSE is insisting that everything go through their media office. This is NOT the same as a cover-up. It is simply prudent information management allowing checking of info and accuracy before release. Call of coverups is real scaremongering and unwarranted.

With that said let’s just be clear on this. Coronavirus is going to spread through the population in Ireland and most of the world - hence it being a pandemic. It will have a 1-2% mortality but in Ireland and the UK our health services will function far better than in most of the world, including America. You’ll be amazed at how badly America will do and the per capita death rate there compared to here. Eg. They lose 36,000 to flu every year. Ireland loses 120 (roughly). If we had the same population as them we should have about 600 flu deaths a year. We don’t because we have a good public health care system vs the shambles in America.

Coronavirus will spread, it will cause deaths in Ireland and it will drag on into 2021. It is not, however, the apocalypse people seem to be fearing.

Hand wash with soap and hot water, don’t go to huge gatherings and if you think you might have it phone your GP and follow their advice. Being histrionic and engaging in conspiracy theories won’t help, will actively make this worse and will make the jobs of doctors like myself and my nursing colleagues harder.

I’m a Consultant in the Irish health care system.

Naggdefy · 02-03-2020 08:58PM

Anyone wants to watch a bit of scary fiction on a pandemic you can't beat Survivors, BBC 1975. Long series but good.

https://youtu.be/zAyjkaFYnzE

gmisk · 02-03-2020 08:58PM

Loughc wrote: »

Still only one case so. And not the 90 cases as unconfirmed here earlier :pac:

Was that not 90 tests for it in Ireland?

gozunda · 02-03-2020 08:59PM

Beasty wrote: »

Maybe it's because they, unlike any of us, are the experts in this field.

Does anyone seriously believe there is some kind of cover up? What would be the point? Look at the furore around the one confirmed case in the State. If there was another case how do you think they would cover it up? These are real people who are caught up in this and their access to social media and the like cannot be controlled by the State. If there are more cases out there it will of course come out and any cover up would be exposed and everyone would lose credibility

I guess that does not satisfy the conspiracy theorists but equally I guess nothing will

To be fair I dont think any (many?) really believe there is some type of a cover up.

State organised contingency planning has a fairly woeful reputation in this country imo. Maybe things have changed and we are fully prepared - that said I have my doubts.

At present - the HSE etc appear to have adopted a fairly restrictive set of criteria for testing possible cases. This despite similar prescriptive type testing having been highlighted as being a factor in the rapid initial spread in Wuhan etc

It is also noticable that there have been no initiative to date to set up testing or quarantine for returning individuals from affected regions as seen in the UK. Relevant departments cite the WHO's advisory as the rationale behind this. This despite the WHO praising China doing just that.

To me the whole approach seems fairly hap hazard so far. Now maybe the hamsters are furiously peddling away - but for the lack of effective communication - you'd be hard pushed to know it tbh.

Ipso · 02-03-2020 09:00PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

The hse though.

And all those Corona resistant trolleys.

gmisk · 02-03-2020 09:00PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

The hse though.

You don't pay though (usually)

Professor Moriarty · 02-03-2020 09:00PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Do we have any indication as the ages of the people who have died so far?

Two patients died in France today, but there is no info on their age, if they were suffering from any health conditions, etc.

Check out graph here.

Cuckoo7 · 02-03-2020 09:00PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Do we have any indication as the ages of the people who have died so far?

Two patients died in France today, but there is no info on their age, if they were suffering from any health conditions, etc.

The Guardian:
The French health chief, Jérôme Salomon, corrected earlier reports that there had been four deaths from coronavirus in France, and reduced the number down to three.

There are now 191 cases confirmed in the country. The third death was an 89-year-old woman who was declared positive for the virus after a postmortem examination.

Salomon said that for 75% of cases in France there was a clear chain of transmission that could be identified. Across France, 12 regions have reported cases, five of which have more than 10 infected people.

Asked why certain events, like the Paris half marathon had been cancelled, Salomon said it was a “rational, scientific response”.
“It’s not a question of whether people are confined (in a space) or not, it’s a question of proximity,” he said.

Loafing Oaf · 02-03-2020 09:00PM

Unearthly wrote: »

The nursing home in Washington that's been infected is now sadly getting a few deaths

These are the types of places that need to be protected at all costs

What do you do though? Not so easy to move everyone out if you get one suspected case.

odyssey06 · 02-03-2020 09:01PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Do we have any indication as the ages of the people who have died so far?

Two patients died in France today, but there is no info on their age, if they were suffering from any health conditions, etc.

One of the patients who sadly died today was an 89 year old woman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_France#Statistics

On 14 February, the 80-year-old Chinese tourist died in Bichat–Claude Bernard Hospital, marking the first death from COVID-19 in Europe and France.

No info on the other cases.

02-03-2020 09:01PM

Gintonious wrote: »

I would imagine Dr. Tony Holohan knows a bit about that, yes.

I can't help but question the people who medically head the HSE. Who preside over the yearly flu/hospital/vomiting bugs in our first world hospitals. Who are ultimately responsible for babies being treated on floors. Who have 1 of the largest health budgets in the world per capita but incorrectly diagnose young women. I don't trust the competence of the HSE with this virus.

Strazdas · 02-03-2020 09:02PM

Interesting to hear from the Irish press conference that they think close contact with a stranger is not as risky as they first though i.e. sitting beside someone.

They now think it's inter-family or from touching surfaces infected with the virus.

Candamir · 02-03-2020 09:02PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Know a couple in their mid 60s who just returned from skiing in Northern Italy the other day. The wife currently has a temp, they got in touch with the HSE who didn't seem concerned since their resort wasnt in the current quarantine zone however their airport deffinitely is one thats been affected but the HSE dont seem to think that is an issue......

What airport has been affected?

Fr_Dougal · 02-03-2020 09:02PM

If we use the original projections for this virus, given the numbers we have today, they expected to see a total of 16k infections with 337 deaths tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Those numbers are excluding China of course.

creditcarder · 02-03-2020 09:04PM

Cuckoo7 wrote: »

The Guardian:
The French health chief, Jérôme Salomon, corrected earlier reports that there had been four deaths from coronavirus in France, and reduced the number down to three.

There are now 191 cases confirmed in the country. The third death was an 89-year-old woman who was declared positive for the virus after a postmortem examination.

Salomon said that for 75% of cases in France there was a clear chain of transmission that could be identified. Across France, 12 regions have reported cases, five of which have more than 10 infected people.

Asked why certain events, like the Paris half marathon had been cancelled, Salomon said it was a “rational, scientific response”.
“It’s not a question of whether people are confined (in a space) or not, it’s a question of proximity,” he said.

I wonder is the 89 year old dying more death from old age than corona tbh?

Professor Moriarty · 02-03-2020 09:06PM

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

There are portions of contracts in the HSE for Consultants which state that if you want to talk to the media etc you need to get clearance from management and your Clinical Director not only to speak but also about what you are going to say. Not doing this can result in disciplinary action and firing. You can be certain to prevent scaremongering that the HSE is insisting that everything go through their media office. This is NOT the same as a cover-up. It is simply prudent information management allowing checking of info and accuracy before release. Call of coverups is real scaremongering and unwarranted.

With that said let’s just be clear on this. Coronavirus is going to spread through the population in Ireland and most of the world - hence it being a pandemic. It will have a 1-2% mortality but in Ireland and the UK our health services will function far better than in most of the world, including America. You’ll be amazed at how badly America will do and the per capita death rate there compared to here. Eg. They lose 36,000 to flu every year. Ireland loses 120 (roughly). If we had the same population as them we should have about 600 flu deaths a year. We don’t because we have a good public health care system vs the shambles in America.

Coronavirus will spread, it will cause deaths in Ireland and it will drag on into 2021. It is not, however, the apocalypse people seem to be fearing.

Hand wash with soap and hot water, don’t go to huge gatherings and if you think you might have it phone your GP and follow their advice. Being histrionic and engaging in conspiracy theories won’t help, will actively make this worse and will make the jobs of doctors like myself and my nursing colleagues harder.

I’m a Consultant in the Irish health care system.

Well done.

Doctors room ghost · 02-03-2020 09:06PM

creditcarder wrote: »

I wonder is the 89 year old dying more death from old age than corona tbh?

The carona was probably no help to her either way

gmisk · 02-03-2020 09:06PM

Has anyone found a good set of graphs etc about Italy? That are up to date?

I am due to go mid April to lake garda I am not keen husband is still pretty adamant he wants to go.
He is citing the fact the flights are still running and only 12 towns are locked down.

I am happy to see if things change in few weeks but I am doubtful they will change for the good tbh...

BLIZZARD7 · 02-03-2020 09:06PM

creditcarder wrote: »

I wonder is the 89 year old dying more death from old age than corona tbh?

It clearly says she was diagnosed as positive for coronavirus in a post-mortem ffs

Cuckoo7 · 02-03-2020 09:07PM

Candamir wrote: »

What airport has been affected?

I don’t know, but the two more used airports for those going skiing are Malpensa and Bergamo I think.

Kaisr Sose · 02-03-2020 09:07PM

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

There are portions of contracts in the HSE for Consultants which state that if you want to talk to the media etc you need to get clearance from management and your Clinical Director not only to speak but also about what you are going to say. Not doing this can result in disciplinary action and firing. You can be certain to prevent scaremongering that the HSE is insisting that everything go through their media office. This is NOT the same as a cover-up. It is simply prudent information management allowing checking of info and accuracy before release. Call of coverups is real scaremongering and unwarranted.

With that said let’s just be clear on this. Coronavirus is going to spread through the population in Ireland and most of the world - hence it being a pandemic. It will have a 1-2% mortality but in Ireland and the UK our health services will function far better than in most of the world, including America. You’ll be amazed at how badly America will do and the per capita death rate there compared to here. Eg. They lose 36,000 to flu every year. Ireland loses 120 (roughly). If we had the same population as them we should have about 600 flu deaths a year. We don’t because we have a good public health care system vs the shambles in America.

Coronavirus will spread, it will cause deaths in Ireland and it will drag on into 2021. It is not, however, the apocalypse people seem to be fearing.

Hand wash with soap and hot water, don’t go to huge gatherings and if you think you might have it phone your GP and follow their advice. Being histrionic and engaging in conspiracy theories won’t help, will actively make this worse and will make the jobs of doctors like myself and my nursing colleagues harder.

I’m a Consultant in the Irish health care system.

Its great to read an informed and balanced post. I really wish people would just step back a bit from this. As it stands, we have one case. We moat likely will have more, but talk of a cover up is stretching it.

Blueshoe · 02-03-2020 09:09PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Its great to read an informed and balanced post. I really wish people would just step back a bit from this. As it stands, we have one case. We moat likely will have more, but talk of a cover up is stretching it.

The opposite of everything that person said

I'm his boss in the healthcare system.

Anyone can write. Just saying

Professor Moriarty · 02-03-2020 09:10PM

gmisk wrote: »

Has anyone found a good set of graphs etc about Italy? That are up to date?

I am due to go mid April to lake garda I am not keen husband is still pretty adamant he wants to go.
He is citing the fact the flights are still running and only 12 towns are locked down.

I am happy to see if things change in few weeks but I am doubtful they will change for the good tbh...

This is from Thursday.

Doctors room ghost · 02-03-2020 09:11PM

Where’s bandit Luke this evening?

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP