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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #3632
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Kivaro wrote: »
    How about an independent, impartial Broadcasting Commission from outside of Ireland?
    RTE are more powerful than the government, and yet nobody voted for them. RTE's governance structure is a joke and belongs to an era long gone by; yet they expect us to continue paying for the exorbitant salaries of untalented individuals and provide programming and services that the elitists in Donnybrook want us to have. They believe that they (RTE) are shaping a nation. Has anyone looked out the window to see the nation that they are shaping?

    Disband or re-structure. They should be the only two options for RTE.

    Can't see how we could possibly be so craven and dysfunctional as to need to outsource such an important function.

    You overestimate the power the power of RTE. It's a public broadcasting service not some secret society.

    Disband is not an option we need to bite the bullet and do the business.


  • #3633
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Kivaro wrote: »
    How about an independent, impartial Broadcasting Commission from outside of Ireland?
    RTE are more powerful than the government, and yet nobody voted for them. RTE's governance structure is a joke and belongs to an era long gone by; yet they expect us to continue paying for the exorbitant salaries of untalented individuals and provide programming and services that the elitists in Donnybrook want us to have. They believe that they (RTE) are shaping a nation. Has anyone looked out the window to see the nation that they are shaping?

    Disband or re-structure. They should be the only two options for RTE.

    Come on now, RTÉ power was only when Ireland had two stations and whatever they pushed out was gospel. Those days are long gone

    If RTÉ has that power we would have no choice on tv license long ago, RTÉ does need to restructure but governments don’t seem to want to go after it. Even SF made no real push to go after it so don’t expect chnage anytime soon


  • #3634
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,838 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Sunday night 9pm

    Nowhere Fast S01E01

    RTÉ getting their moneys worth here...


  • #3635
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Real fantastic impartiality from our national broadcaster.

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1234030199316107266?s=19


  • #3636
    satguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭satguy


    The rumbles in the UK about their BBC licence fee are getting louder. If the beep falls, so too will RTE.

    The D4 / FG set stick together, and are powerful enough to hold out. But FG's power is slipping, and FF and SF might feel it time to make RTE pay for past transgressions.

    So if the beep licence fee goes, and FF and SF feel that FG was shown favouritism over the last 10 years, it may well be Bye Bye Licence.


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  • #3637
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    satguy wrote: »
    The rumbles in the UK about their BBC licence fee are getting louder. If the beep falls, so too will RTE.

    The D4 / FG set stick together, and are powerful enough to hold out. But FG's power is slipping, and FF and SF might feel it time to make RTE pay for past transgressions.

    So if the beep licence fee goes, and FF and SF feel that FG was shown favouritism over the last 10 years, it may well be Bye Bye Licence.

    The BBC have a charter until 2027, Boris and his band of motley misfits will be well gone by then.

    The licence fee is going nowhere in Britain until then at least.

    Anyway if the Beeb is encrypted, that is less competition for RTE so it would be good news for them.


  • #3638
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    satguy wrote: »
    The rumbles in the UK about their BBC licence fee are getting louder. If the beep falls, so too will RTE.

    The D4 / FG set stick together, and are powerful enough to hold out. But FG's power is slipping, and FF and SF might feel it time to make RTE pay for past transgressions.

    So if the beep licence fee goes, and FF and SF feel that FG was shown favouritism over the last 10 years, it may well be Bye Bye Licence.
    The sooner that RTE goes, the better.
    Another example of the disservice that they provide to the people who pay their exorbitant wages and pensions is the disinformation that they are putting out on Covid-19.

    The country needs an impartial and honest national broadcaster who can survive within their means.
    RTE are not to be trusted.


  • #3639
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Boggles wrote: »
    The BBC have a charter until 2027, Boris and his band of motley misfits will be well gone by then.

    The licence fee is going nowhere in Britain until then at least.

    Anyway if the Beeb is encrypted, that is less competition for RTE so it would be good news for them.

    Not really. BBC don't sell advertising so there audience share doesn't effect RTÉ, and RTÉ misuses their slate of BBC programmes, e.g. most should be on the RTÉ player when possible as they appear on the BBC iPlayer. Though the RTÉ Player is a whole other post in itself.


  • #3640
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Elmo wrote: »
    Not really. BBC don't sell advertising so there audience share doesn't effect RTÉ, and RTÉ misuses their slate of BBC programmes, e.g. most should be on the RTÉ player when possible as they appear on the BBC iPlayer. Though the RTÉ Player is a whole other post in itself.

    Of course it does. IF something is on BBC and on RTE primarily I would watch it on the BBC.

    The BBC currently beams in 4 billion worth of FTA content to every home in Ireland (if they want it).

    Remove that and you take a pretty big player out of the Irish market.


  • #3641
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Boggles wrote: »
    Of course it does. IF something is on BBC and on RTE primarily I would watch it on the BBC.

    The BBC currently beams in 4 billion worth of FTA content to every home in Ireland (if they want it).

    Remove that and you take a pretty big player out of the Irish market.

    Currently BBC doesn't take advert revenue, if it went behind a paywall or unavailable
    1. not all audience will move to RTÉ
    2. Advertisers pay only a certain amount each year they make those decisions at the begin of their advert year, regardless of if its a 70% of TV viewers or 100%, BBC showing ads to Irish Audiences would be more detrimental, than BBC being unavailable.

    BBC could always use their FTA commerical channels UKTV to provide more content to the market or Britbox.

    As I say RTÉ have the ablity to take BBC content an put it on the RTÉ player as it becomes available on BBC iPlayer, they should be doing this if they have the rights.


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  • #3642
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    Of course it does. IF something is on BBC and on RTE primarily I would watch it on the BBC.

    The BBC currently beams in 4 billion worth of FTA content to every home in Ireland (if they want it).

    Remove that and you take a pretty big player out of the Irish market.

    New season of Line of Duty coming soon. By the time RTE get it, and insist on putting it on at late o'clock. I'll have already watched it on BBC.

    And if by some miracle RTE got it on the same night and broadcast at the same time as BBC. I'd still watch it on BBC.


  • #3643
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,739 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Do RTE think people don't have English channels or something?


  • #3644
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,458 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    they are already getting increasing revenue with all the new homes being built that will pay a license fee, frankly, oaps not having to pay it, is a farce!

    I dont think you can reasonably expect, people to pay E160 a year, to fund the kind racket RTE run is acceptable. I would put them up there as bearing some responsibility for the state this country is in. Take the housing crisis for example, "oh we will get eoghan murphy in and blast him" - lets get the biggest cuplrits in, the local councils, if they were shining the spot light, where it needs to go, there would be far more pressure, to get this solved. Not this "eoghan murphy" is solely responsible bull****. Their "analysis" is pathetic and I think its deliberate here, local, national politics and RTE, they all scratch each others backs...


  • #3645
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    New season of Line of Duty coming soon. By the time RTE get it, and insist on putting it on at late o'clock. I'll have already watched it on BBC.

    And if by some miracle RTE got it on the same night and broadcast at the same time as BBC. I'd still watch it on BBC.

    RTÉ should aim to put Line of Duty on the Player when it arrives on BBC, and later on RTÉ at late o'clock if they want. Their use of imports is a joke. 25m spend and vast majority air in late o'clock.


  • #3646
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Elmo wrote: »
    2. Advertisers pay only a certain amount each year they make those decisions at the begin of their advert year, regardless of if its a 70% of TV viewers or 100%,

    Advertisers pay a rate based on several factors. The main one being viewership.

    If there is less competition in the market, RTE can grow their viewership which in turn grows advertising revenue. i.e. what they can charge.

    Whether the BBC show ads or not is moot.

    The potential also to create new content is available.

    e.g If Match of the Day is no longer available in Ireland, RTE sports could setup up their own, like they did in the past.

    I didn't watch the Premiership on RTE because Match of the Day was superior.


  • #3647
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,458 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    RTe arent inivative, because they dont need to be. they just hold out their hand instead!


  • #3648
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The RTE news website is desperately pumping up the paranoia wrt to the coronavirus in a bid to drive clicks their way.


  • #3649
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The RTE news website is desperately pumping up the paranoia wrt to the coronavirus in a bid to drive clicks their way.

    You mean news website reports absolutely huge news story like every other news outlet?


  • #3650
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Boggles wrote: »
    Advertisers pay a rate based on several factors. The main one being viewership.

    If there is less competition in the market, RTE can grow their viewership which in turn grows advertising revenue. i.e. what they can charge.

    Whether the BBC show ads or not is moot.

    The potential also to create new content is available.

    e.g If Match of the Day is no longer available in Ireland, RTE sports could setup up their own, like they did in the past.

    I didn't watch the Premiership on RTE because Match of the Day was superior.

    You are right to say that RTÉ can grow their market if a competitor leaves but when the competitor is not in the advertising market they cann't add to the amount of money spent on TV advertising.

    I have been through this argument before. But it was explained to me, that for example the advertising pot is 200m per year for TV that's all there is, if RTÉ increase their audience share and take some from those channels advertising in Ireland yes they can gain some, but this results in RTÉ eating into those other companies revenue.

    on the other hand if RTÉ stopped showing adds tomorrow Virgin Media would get the bulk of this even without increasing its audience share, eventually other competitors would enter the market and the vast majority of ad revenue would soon end up in the UK.

    However if the BBC started advertising on BBC 1 in the republic they would only eat into the 200m pot of ad revenue available. Same goes for any new advertiser coming into the market. Nearly 30% of the audience do not watch TV channels with Irish advertising on them. If they were to enter the market they'd be lucky to earn 60m from the 200m pot, for various other reason.

    But some else would explain this better.


  • #3651
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Elmo wrote: »
    You are right to say that RTÉ can grow their market if a competitor leaves but when the competitor is not in the advertising market they cann't add to the amount of money spent on TV advertising.

    I have been through this argument before. But it was explained to me, that for example the advertising pot is 200m per year for TV that's all there is, if RTÉ increase their audience share and take some from those channels advertising in Ireland yes they can gain some, but this results in RTÉ eating into those other companies revenue.

    on the other hand if RTÉ stopped showing adds tomorrow Virgin Media would get the bulk of this even without increasing its audience share, eventually other competitors would enter the market and the vast majority of ad revenue would soon end up in the UK.

    However if the BBC started advertising on BBC 1 in the republic they would only eat into the 200m pot of ad revenue available. Same goes for any new advertiser coming into the market. Nearly 30% of the audience do not watch TV channels with Irish advertising on them. If they were to enter the market they'd be lucky to earn 60m from the 200m pot, for various other reason.

    But some else would explain this better.

    Advertisers will adjust to where the eyes are, if new prime time shows that were previously watched elsewhere for free appear on RTE this will create an audience.

    This audience will demand a premium.

    The amount spent by advertisers on TV fluctuates, it is not static.


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  • #3652
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Boggles wrote: »
    The amount spent by advertisers on TV fluctuates, it is not static.

    This is true but don't image that BBC going behind a paywall will increase RTÉ revenues significantly. I do think they have miss a trick by not adding BBC shows to the RTÉ player as the appear on the BBC, e.g. fairly sure Match of the Day would do better on the player than The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.


  • #3653
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Elmo wrote: »
    This is true but don't image that BBC going behind a paywall will increase RTÉ revenues significantly. I do think they have miss a trick by not adding BBC shows to the RTÉ player as the appear on the BBC, e.g. fairly sure Match of the Day would do better on the player than The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.

    It could definitely have a serious increase in audience numbers.

    Like I said previous, the sub model is going to eat itself.

    RTE have a great opportunity here going forward, the next DG appointment they make will be crucial.

    Right now they should scrap the RTE player, primarily because it simply doesn't work.


  • #3654
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    satguy wrote: »
    The rumbles in the UK about their BBC licence fee are getting louder. If the beep falls, so too will RTE.

    The D4 / FG set stick together, and are powerful enough to hold out. But FG's power is slipping, and FF and SF might feel it time to make RTE pay for past transgressions.

    So if the beep licence fee goes, and FF and SF feel that FG was shown favouritism over the last 10 years, it may well be Bye Bye Licence.

    I doubt SF will do anything to RTÉ if they get into power, if anything they will double down on support for it....a broadcaster that doesn’t ask questions or point out faults in SF is music to their ears


  • #3655
    samjames
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭samjames


    Beta Ray Bill wrote: »
    Dee Forbes is at it again over the TV licence fee.

    Whinging the €60m wasn't collected and RTE cannot compete.

    That's about 375,00 homes not paying the fee, so evasion is about 15%

    The whole TV licence thing REALLY bugs me.
    I don't watch RTE, not even for the Soccer/GAA. I might listen to the radio when I drive the car in the morning (which is once a blue moon)
    I don't use the service, why the hell should I have to pay for it!

    Obviously we cannot get rid of RTE as there are a great many people that do use the service.
    That being said massive reforms are needed.
    Firstly, do we really need RTE1 and RTE2? One channel would be enough.
    Same with the radio stations, we only need one.
    Do we REALLY need TG4?

    The land they are on as well is ridiculous, some of the most valuable land in the country. They don't need to be there, they could be out in Athlone or somewhere an no one would know the difference.

    And then there's the salaries of the bigshots
    Ryan Tubridy - €500,000 per year is the biggest Joke of all
    That salary puts him on a par with the likes of Claudia Winkleman, Alan Shearer, Fiona Bruce of the BBC.
    He is nothing compared to them.
    BBC can justify big salaries as it is broadcast around the world, and the content is generally quite good.
    No one outside of Ireland know's who Tubb's is.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rte-director-general-calls-for-changes-in-tv-licence-fee-as-60m-uncollected-annually-840770.html


    If RTE1/RTE2 vanished in the morning, I certainly would not miss it as never watch it, it really is dire viewing and always was,


  • #3656
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,466 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Great to have friends aint it https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/court-approves-29m-debt-write-off-for-frank-mcnamara-and-theresa-lowe-39006024.html


  • #3657
    20/20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭20/20


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    Great to have friends aint it https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/court-approves-29m-debt-write-off-for-frank-mcnamara-and-theresa-lowe-39006024.html

    What has that article or your post go to do with anything here. ??


  • #3658
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,466 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    20/20 wrote: »
    What has that article or your post go to do with anything here. ??

    MASSIVE CLUE THEY WORKED FOR RTE AND WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE LATE LATE NEXT WEEK OR SOON AFTER Read between the lines


  • #3659
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    MASSIVE CLUE THEY WORKED FOR RTE AND WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE LATE LATE NEXT WEEK OR SOON AFTER Read between the lines


    Not sure what the caps are about.



    That is some stretch to bring RTE into that one to be honest.


  • #3660
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    MASSIVE CLUE THEY WORKED FOR RTE AND WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE LATE LATE NEXT WEEK OR SOON AFTER Read between the lines

    They were both very accomplished members of staff at RTE in their time.

    Frank was musical director and resident pianist on the LLS for years and Theresa was a very able and popular presenter.

    Their current property difficulties have nothing to do with RTE.


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  • #3661
    20/20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭20/20


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    MASSIVE CLUE THEY WORKED FOR RTE AND WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE LATE LATE NEXT WEEK OR SOON AFTER Read between the lines

    Many years ago.


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