Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

Blueshoe · 02-03-2020 08:12PM

Korbin Ashy Tube wrote: »

Don't know for sure. But at the rate it spreads and the flights are coming from Italy I'd say it's highly unlikely to be isolated.

Yeah well that's a different answer. As things stand there is one case in Ireland . Some people seem almost disappointed

newbie18892 · 02-03-2020 08:12PM

Called my local Gp for advice there and mentioned I was showing all the symptoms and had been in a conference in London last week and was told the earliest they could see me is next Friday (the 13th) and to just keep taking Benylin. She told me I needn't worry about calling the HSE helpline or anything. Not trying to be dramatic just seems like they're just not overly bothered with the whole testing thing at all

BanditLuke · 02-03-2020 08:13PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Fcuk me the French cases are starting to take off.

France, Germany and Italy all in huge trouble.

ChikiChiki · 02-03-2020 08:13PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Fcuk me the French cases are starting to take off.

Thats been the trend with every country do far. Its the incubation period disguising the virus. Wait til you see the numbers here 2 weeks from now.

02-03-2020 08:13PM

Many of us can't afford to take sick leave or don't have any. As for self isolation? Just to put into context HSE staff get 3 months fully paid sick leave (and are now taking the opportunity to complain that it was reduced from 6 months). A massive part of the Health budget goes on paying this and hiring agency staff (an internal Health budget issue you won't hear many frontline workers talking about because it's been knowingly abused by staff for years). And currently if you're claiming illness benefit you need weekly sick certs from your doctor. This needs to be addressed for workers who aren't in the public sector or can't work from home.

ChikiChiki · 02-03-2020 08:14PM

newbie18892 wrote: »

Called my local Gp for advice there and mentioned I was showing all the symptoms and had been in a conference in London last week and was told the earliest they could see me is next Friday (the 13th) and to just keep taking Benylin. She told me I needn't worry about calling the HSE helpline or anything. Not trying to be dramatic just seems like they're just not overly bothered with the whole testing thing at all

I'd say just for most it will be close out the door for a few weeks and hope for the best. If it becomes rampant I probably wouldn't even bother with the HSE and just go straight into self isolation. I'm lucky that I can run my projects at home.

Most of us are smart and know how bad this is and out of sorts our health service are currently. I really feel so much for front line staff on what they are facing into. Most of us have youth on our side also so I wouldn't want to burden them.

Drumpot had an excellent post around preparing for the prospect of self isolation. One of the best I've seen.

fritzelly · 02-03-2020 08:16PM

Kicking off big time in the US now - what happens when you need to be at deaths door before they even test you

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234557877936934914

Drumpot · 02-03-2020 08:16PM

Beasty wrote: »

Maybe it's because they, unlike any of us, are the experts in this field.

Does anyone seriously believe there is some kind of cover up? What would be the point? Look at the furore around the one confirmed case in the State. If there was another case how do you think they would cover it up? These are real people who are caught up in this and their access to social media and the like cannot be controlled by the State. If there are more cases out there it will of course come out and any cover up would be exposed and everyone would lose credibility

I guess that does not satisfy the conspiracy theorists but equally I guess nothing will

I agree with this.

Whatever the reason for the decision not to regularly release how many people they are testing, I don’t think it’s for conspiracy reasons.

I would prefer to put it down to our services trying to come to terms with the job at hand. They effectively said it in the WHO press conference that it can take authorities time to adapt to an outbreak and that even the most organized authorities struggle , certainly at the start.

WHO also said that most countries don’t invest anywhere near enough resources into these kind of crisis management scenarios and are effectively trying to learn fast to catch up with best practices. I think we all have to accept responsibility for that and not put the blame on authorities.

If Germany, France, spain and UK numbers start to settle down over the next few days, it could be a really positive sign.

DOCARCH · 02-03-2020 08:16PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

France, Germany and Italy all in huge trouble.

Spain also in the race too!

vladmydad · 02-03-2020 08:17PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Spain also in the race too!

I’m going to Spain on Thursday...should I cancel ?

DrumSteve · 02-03-2020 08:18PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I agree with this.

Whatever the reason for the decision not to regularly release how many people they are testing, I don’t think it’s for conspiracy reasons.

I would prefer to put it down to our services trying to come to terms with the job at hand. They effectively said it in the WHO press conference that it can take authorities time to adapt to an outbreak and that even the most organized authorities struggle , certainly at the start.

WHO also said that most countries don’t invest anywhere near enough resources into these kind of crisis management scenarios and are effectively trying to learn fast to catch up with best practices. I think we all have to accept responsibility for that and not put the blame on authorities.

If Germany, France, spain and UK numbers start to settle down over the next few days, it could be a really positive sign.

They more than likely will.

If anything, it seems to be the case that it takes a bit of time for the country to get a handle on it, but by then you won't see the fruits of that effort for up to 6 weeks.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 02-03-2020 08:18PM

Where is the HSE announcement Harris said would be at 7?

Dial Hard · 02-03-2020 08:18PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I've no doubt that a lot of people are being more hygienic but there's some scruffy bastard's out there that never did and never will wash their hands after using the toilet and will cough all over the place.

Or feel the need to expectorate the contents of their nose/throat/lungs onto the ground like the charming gent who got off the bus in front of me this morning and immediately did a fcuking huge gollier onto the footpath.

Christy42 · 02-03-2020 08:19PM

Beasty wrote: »

How on earth do you know?

(and to be clear I do not know either way). I can speculate, you can speculate, but you cannot know (unless perhaps you have it yourself)

Sure we have a dot in a map in Limerick. Not sure what the map is about but it has to be another case.

And then we had hundreds sent home in Tipperary. I am sure that county is basically shut down by now.

If we got rid of the ridiculous hyperbolic nonsense we could discuss the decisions. Again not a fan of Harris but now is not a time for panic or complacency.

Were the tests carried out by last Tuesday too low? Do we have different criteria to Scotland say or do they have more at risk people. There are plausible answers to these questions. Now this is not to say that the government is doing everything correctly but by not jumping the gun we might get a bigger picture.

DOCARCH · 02-03-2020 08:19PM

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m going to Spain on Thursday...should I cancel ?

I wouldn't cancel. But I probably wouldn't come back either! :pac:

pc7 · 02-03-2020 08:19PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Fcuk me the French cases are starting to take off.

Think UK will spike up next tbh too

Drumpot · 02-03-2020 08:19PM

Beasty wrote: »

How on earth do you know?

(and to be clear I do not know either way). I can speculate, you can speculate, but you cannot know (unless perhaps you have it yourself)

I think this is where confirming daily testing would help. If people can at least see consistent testing (which I’m sure they are doing), they can at least put that conspiracy to bed. Although it will prob move some people onto “well they aren’t testing enough”, I think it wouid appease most.

DrumSteve · 02-03-2020 08:20PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Kicking off big time in the US now - what happens when you need to be at deaths door before they even test you

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234557877936934914

Aren't the deaths mainly in a nursing home? (not that that's OK)

pc7 · 02-03-2020 08:20PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Fcuk me the French cases are starting to take off.

Think UK will spike up next tbh too

Field east · 02-03-2020 08:22PM

froog wrote: »

looking at the hopkins dashboard it seems quite likely that the virus mutated to a less harmful form in china outside of wuhan. the death rate drops pretty dramatically in every single region in china outside wuhan. this does follow evolutionary thinking on viruses, as people carrying milder strains are much more likely to pass on the virus than the deadlier strain.

this is interesting for two reasons: one there is likely two strains of the virus in the world right now with vastly different risk levels. from reading country timelines it seems italy and iran got the deadlier wuhan strain unfortunately (first cases directly linked to wuhan). i haven't checked other countries yet. ireland's came from italy so quite possibly the wuhan strain too.

secondly it shows that mutating to a less harmful form is quite probable (it's already happened once in the country it started in). what we have seen happen in china may be replicated all over the world - initial cluster of relatively high mortality rate, and spreading out to much less harmful.

i will looking at italy very closely over the next few weeks to see if the pattern repeats.

i'm not any kind of doctor by the way, just my own thoughts.

My understanding re any virus behavior is that as time passes , day after day it looses its effectiveness . SO would it be the case than that the longer we can hold out in Ireland the less virulent the virus will be when it arrives or / and when it begins to start infecting a % of the population.
IF THAT IS THE CASE then it beggars belief why the Gov/ HSE were not more proactive. For example, any person who was arriving via all airports/ferry’s and who had come from an infected country/region - including all passengers arriving directly/indirectly from Italy should have their temperature taken or at the very least very clearly offered the service.
Otherwise we are spending a lot of time /resources following up on cases discovered after they have been ‘ at large ‘ for over a week or so

Boggles · 02-03-2020 08:22PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I've no doubt that a lot of people are being more hygienic but there's some scruffy bastard's out there that never did and never will wash their hands after using the toilet and will cough all over the place.

Nobody is safe from these scruff bags

You'll always have them.

It will be interesting to see though if other infectious diseases decline throughout this period.

It is feasible in terms of fatalities overall we could see less.

Monkeynut · 02-03-2020 08:23PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

You can talk about 1 million cases if you like but the fact is we still only have one case after X amount of weeks.

Agreed.

But not as many people go to China from Ireland and back. But the more prevalent it gets in Europe the higher chance of it coming to Ireland in different locations.

Loafing Oaf · 02-03-2020 08:25PM

pc7 wrote: »

Think UK will spike up next tbh too

Brits have had cases all over the country but somehow none of them has yet developed into a serious cluster. Is this just luck or are they doing something different to other big European countries?

Blueshoe · 02-03-2020 08:25PM

Being an island nation and not being in the Schengen area obviously working somewhat in our favour.
Frictionless and borderless Europe is an ideal ground for the virus to spread. Different governments with different measures in place. Disaster

ThePiedPiper · 02-03-2020 08:25PM

A family I know just returned from Italy, put themselves in isolation and kept kids home from school. However, hysteria and bull$h/t has increased massively over the last few days, every second child claiming someone in their school has Coronavirus and the school will be closed for the foreseeable

fritzelly · 02-03-2020 08:25PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Aren't the deaths mainly in a nursing home? (not that that's OK)

A female in her 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland.
A woman in her 80s, who was already reported as in critical condition at Evergreen
A male in his 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland.

But how many have now been infected and how widespread is it?

Cuckoo7 · 02-03-2020 08:26PM

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m going to Spain on Thursday...should I cancel ?

There are two clusters that has Spanish authorities “worried”, Torrejon and Vitoria, because they haven’t been able to figure out yet the chain of transmission.

ZX7R · 02-03-2020 08:27PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Aren't the deaths mainly in a nursing home? (not that that's OK)

Yes a cluster of them there

fritzelly · 02-03-2020 08:27PM

Field east wrote: »

My understanding re any virus behavior is that as time passes , day after day it looses its effectiveness

Where have you read such rubbish - it needs to mutate and that could be months, years, decades
Took Spanish Flu 6 months to mutate to a more deadlier strain

Professor Moriarty · 02-03-2020 08:27PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Being an island nation and being in the Schengen area obviously working somewhat in our favour.
Frictionless and borderless Europe is an ideal ground for the virus to spread. Different governments with different measures in place. Disaster

We're not in Schengen.

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP