Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

wakka12 · 01-03-2020 04:39PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Yes and yes.

Diamond Princess - 705 people diagnosed + a few more after they returned to their own countries. 328/705 with no symptoms, 7 deaths to date.

Yes the demographics skew older than average, yes there are a few more than 705 cases but there will possibly/probably be more deaths. Broad brush estimate - with high quality medical care we’re looking at at least 0.5% mortality rate, quite probably closer to 1%. This is higher than flu.

Then the question is - will more people get infected?

Yes. This thing is crazy infectious. It quietly lurks and then explodes. Italy has had 29 deaths in a week. The quarantine officers on DP caught it, presumably they thought they knew what precautions to take and took them. Unlike flu nobody has built up immunity, nobody has been vaccinated against it. Very little contact is needed to transmit it and many people are well enough to not know there’s anything wrong. From what I can tell if you live in a house with someone who gets it, you get it too.

It’s deadlier than flu, it’s more infectious than flu, it will kill more than flu.

WHO said that it is extremely uncommon for patients to be asymptomatic, in fact they believe that of the few unique cases thought to be 'asymptomatic' they think it is likely those people had just not yet developed the symptoms. The 328 likely had not yet developed symptoms as they were in incubation phase, and either that is still ongoing or their status has not yet been updated

01-03-2020 04:39PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Now THAT worries me...

This is a concern. The amount of medications that there is a "supply issue" with is mounting. There could be a lot of secondary deaths due to medications not been manufactured. Like Tazocin for example.

ArmaniJeanss · 01-03-2020 04:41PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Still nothing from our government about telling right thinking sick employees who may stay out of work if they are at the risk of spreading the virus that they will be paid even if their employers don't have to pay them per their contract. This would be the type of pro active governance we could all get behind.

You are potentially putting some businesses into bankruptcy there, which seems no solution at all.

drunkmonkey · 01-03-2020 04:41PM

Looks like that hospital burnt down after all

Residents in Bandar Abbas in Southern Iran have burned down a hospital as they believed that patients carrying the Coronavirus had been admitted there.

Rumours started circulating that people from another town infected with Covid-19 had been admitted at the hospital.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/world-all-news/97826/hospital-burned-down-in-iran-due-to-coronavirus-fears/

BanditLuke · 01-03-2020 04:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a concern. The amount of medications that there is a "supply issue" with is mounting. There could be a lot of secondary deaths due to medications not been manufactured. Like Tazocin for example.

Massive worry alright. I've got my parents who are both in their 80's all i can if they have to stay in the house for an extended period but there is nothing any of us can do about a medicine stortage.

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 04:43PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Bags of rice in Aldi 99c I have seen people on the dole smoke how much is a pack of 20? €12 thats six bags of rice a couple of muti-pack beans and a few cans of tuna.

Ah my dear you have no idea re food for a week. Sigh..

cnocbui · 01-03-2020 04:43PM

Strazdas wrote: »

That would be a total overreaction. One confirmed case in the Republic, a man who had been in Italy and no community transmission in Ireland.

Besides, the Dublin parade is not just a standalone event. The St.Patrick's festival lasts for four days, plus there are parades all the country.

You and many others just don't get it. You have your head stuck in the present - Oh, look, only one case, no need to do X, Y, or Z.

You need to get your head in the past, and be thinking 14 days of asymptomatic spread, and given the outpouring of infected people from Italy, you should be thinking that at several flights a day, the one confirmed case is probably only one of several or many.

You need to turn to extreme measures early, not late. This is what they did in China and now people point and say 'look at how few new cases they are getting daily'. Compare that to Iran, which did exactly the opposite, suppressed the truth and failed to take action because they were more concerned about an election going ahead and not being affected.

Cody montana · 01-03-2020 04:44PM

Saw a sigh in a pharmacy saying “Hand sanitizer back in stick, while stocks last!!!”

Also noticed hand sanitizer on wall outside a restaurant.

Hand sanitizer companies must be raking it in.

Nijmegen · 01-03-2020 04:44PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/twelve-more-people-test-positive-coronavirus-in-uk

Compare and contrast the Irish "We're not telling you anything about how the person/s traveled" to this approach from China, where they're now being credited with getting this thing under some kind of control:

Chuang Shuk-kwan, director of the infectious disease division of the Centre for Health Protection, advised all passengers on Cathay Pacific flight CDX250 from Heathrow to Hong Kong on Thursday or ferry number 3A109 to call the centre’s hotline and to be “aware of the health situation,” and seek medical help or quarantine if necessary.

Here I'd say the last dying breath of the final person to man the HSE Helpline would be "I cannot tell you that under GDPR..."

BanditLuke · 01-03-2020 04:44PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

You are potentially putting some businesses into bankruptcy there, which seems no solution at all.

The governments rainy day fund is there for a reason. I think the measure would save lives.

r93kaey5p2izun · 01-03-2020 04:45PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I posted a full link to the Twitter story. Apparently this guy has them all convinced he's either Jesus or preparing the way for him.. And their mission was to bring on the apocalypse. They had a base in wuhan. The Twitter story had a map of all their bases.
There's one in Ireland :-(

I hadn't seen any major news carrying the story so figured it was conspiracy stuff.
Found the link: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1231869865205620742.html

Mods move if should be in conspiracy, though if BBC reporting he's being charged maybe weird fact..

They've even had sponsored content in regional papers here. This from the Laois Nationalist a few months ago.

https://laois-nationalist.ie/2019/11/15/new-history-written-as-the-gospel-spread-through-the-successful-100000-graduation-ceremony-of-shincheonji/

Fr_Dougal · 01-03-2020 04:46PM

There are 3 more stages of this outbreak according to the WHO:

1. Very Very Serious
2. Pandemic
3. Man flu

Let’s hope it doesn’t get to 3., for all our sakes.

Drumpot · 01-03-2020 04:49PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Still nothing from our government about telling right thinking sick employees who may stay out of work if they are at the risk of spreading the virus that they will be paid even if their employers don't have to pay them per their contract. This would be the type of pro active governance we could all get behind.

To be fair to the HSE, there is only so much they can do.

If our political parties had any interest in the country they would cease discussions on forming a government and prioritise preparation, planning and communication to its people. Unfortunately it seems like they are apathetic to what’s going on. Personally I wish all parties agreed that continuity is important so work with our current governmental structures until this passes. That wouid show maturity , provide clarity on who is charge and show true leadership.

wakka12 · 01-03-2020 04:50PM

First cases in Dominican Republic and Czech Republic
https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/domaci/3056228-v-cesku-jsou-tri-lide-nakazeni-koronavirem
https://listindiario.com/la-republica/2020/03/01/606407/se-registra-primer-caso-de-coronavirus-en-rd

Montage of Feck · 01-03-2020 04:50PM

There was a time not so long ago that this country was ravaged by diseases such as TB. We came through that, no small thanks to likes of Noel Browne, without resorting to hysteria. The real issue is the way our health service is has been undermined by bureaucracy and vested interests to the state where it's not fit for purpose.

BanditLuke · 01-03-2020 04:51PM

Drumpot wrote: »

To be fair to the HSE, there is only so much they can do.

If our political parties had any interest in the country they would cease discussions on forming a government and prioritise preparation, planning and communication to its people. Unfortunately it seems like they are apathetic to what’s going on. Personally I wish all parties agreed that continuity is important so work with our current governmental structures until this passes. That wouid show maturity , provide clarity on who is charge and show true leadership.

Don't hold your breath on that

megabomberman · 01-03-2020 04:51PM

Drumpot wrote: »

To be fair to the HSE, there is only so much they can do.

If our political parties had any interest in the country they would cease discussions on forming a government and prioritise preparation, planning and communication to its people. Unfortunately it seems like they are apathetic to what’s going on. Personally I wish all parties agreed that continuity is important so work with our current governmental structures until this passes. That wouid show maturity , provide clarity on who is charge and show true leadership.

Leadership involves not being seen associated with this. When it's a fiasco they had nothing to do with it and if it's not they don't want to look silly.

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 04:51PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Going by the video a few pages ahead, hand washing is the most important thing to be doing here. If you can't get to a sink to wash hands, hand sanitizer would be a help. Stocking up on tinned food is a bit much at this stage.

No it isn't.. sensible. before panic buying sets in among folk who are having problems understanding what is happening.

wakka12 · 01-03-2020 04:52PM

Montage of Feck wrote: »

There was a time not so long ago that this country was ravaged by diseases such as TB. We came through that, no small thanks to likes of Noel Browne, without resorting to hysteria. The real issue is the way our health service is has been undermined by bureaucracy and vested interests to the state where it's not fit for purpose.

The hysteria is mostly limited to the internet. Would you even know there was a 'pandemic' occurring if you were walking around the streets of Irish cities, I would say not, maybe if you happened to glance at a tabloid news rack in a supermarket

Nijmegen · 01-03-2020 04:52PM

Montage of Feck wrote: »

There was a time not so long ago that this country was ravaged by diseases such as TB. We came through that, no small thanks to likes of Noel Browne, without resorting to hysteria. The real issue is the way our health service is has been undermined by bureaucracy and vested interests to the state where it's not fit for purpose.

I don't think anyone doubts we will come through this. It's more, the impact that it will have - personally and economically and therefore in knock on after it has gone.

Doctors room ghost · 01-03-2020 04:52PM

Would be a great time to stand outside Aldi selling little bottles of hand sanitizer black market out of your jacket.
Stand there shouting “pandemic,PANDEMIC”.
Fans of the wire tv show will understand.

Darc19 · 01-03-2020 04:54PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/twelve-more-people-test-positive-coronavirus-in-uk

Compare and contrast the Irish "We're not telling you anything about how the person/s traveled" to this approach from China, where they're now being credited with getting this thing under some kind of control:

Here I'd say the last dying breath of the final person to man the HSE Helpline would be "I cannot tell you that under GDPR..."

The Irish way is far better but as usual, naysayers that simply cannot say a good word about this country will spread fake bullsh1t

In your example, a flight number and ferry number and date was given out. They then have to hope that everyone on those forms of transport will see this notice

The way they are doing it here is miles better. THEY make direct contact with each and every person that was on the modes of transport. Either by telephone for those in immediate area and by email for those further away.

They are not relying on hoping people will read some notice on some website.

But to give credit to the local team would cause severe hardship to the catastrophic syndrome naysayers.

odyssey06 · 01-03-2020 04:57PM

Darc19 wrote: »

The Irish way is far better but as usual, naysayers that simply cannot say a good word about this country will spread fake bullsh1t
In your example, a flight number and ferry number and date was given out. They then have to hope that everyone on those forms of transport will see this notice
The way they are doing it here is miles better. THEY make direct contact with each and every person that was on the modes of transport. Either by telephone for those in immediate area and by email for those further away.
They are not relying on hoping people will read some notice on some website.
But to give credit to the local team would cause severe hardship to the catastrophic syndrome naysayers.

You seem to be assuming that the the NHS aren't doing contact tracing also? Do you have a source for this?

They may be unable to directly contact people, and there may be transport phases where there's no passenger list.

wakka12 · 01-03-2020 04:57PM

https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/domaci/3056228-v-cesku-jsou-tri-lide-nakazeni-koronavirem
2 of the 3 new cases in Czech Republic were infected in Italy, no info about the third as yet.

Italy must have many tens of thousands of infected for so many incidental exposures to tourists and travellers to occur

Dyr · 01-03-2020 04:57PM

Would a good question to ask the HSE not be "how many people have you tested for this virus?"

See how on top of this they really are

citysights · 01-03-2020 04:58PM

For anyone who can’t get hand gel you can make your own with vodka and carrier oil plus some aloe Vera gel. Recipes are online. Just thought I’d mention this as I went to pick up some hand gel locally for an elderly friend and sold out of course. I suggested this course of action to them and might make some myself also. The little bottles with the spray top or dispenser are usually sold in chemists or places like dealz , travel size bottles and I’m sure the mixture would work well in these. If anyone has made it would be good to hear.

wakka12 · 01-03-2020 04:59PM

Does Ireland currently have any other suspected cases? Were all the school children on the ski trip tested negative?

Downlinz · 01-03-2020 04:59PM

Darc19 wrote: »

The Irish way is far better but as usual, naysayers that simply cannot say a good word about this country will spread fake bullsh1t

In your example, a flight number and ferry number and date was given out. They then have to hope that everyone on those forms of transport will see this notice

The way they are doing it here is miles better. THEY make direct contact with each and every person that was on the modes of transport. Either by telephone for those in immediate area and by email for those further away.

They are not relying on hoping people will read some notice on some website.

But to give credit to the local team would cause severe hardship to the catastrophic syndrome naysayers.

But they can't make direct contact with people on trains or buses since identities aren't required to buy a ticket...
They also don't know who may have used the same public restroom or who stood behind them in a Centra queue etc without providing more detail.

all about the mane · 01-03-2020 05:00PM

Bambi wrote: »

Would a good question to ask the HSE not be "how many people have you tested for this virus?"

See how on top of this they really are

I can’t see them telling you

odyssey06 · 01-03-2020 05:01PM

citysights wrote: »

For anyone who can’t get hand gel you can make your own with vodka and carrier oil plus some aloe Vera gel. Recipes are online. Just thought I’d mention this as I went to pick up some hand gel locally for an elderly friend and sold out of course. I suggested this course of action to them and might make some myself also. The little bottles with the spray top or dispenser are usually sold in chemists or places like dealz , travel size bottles and I’m sure the mixture would work well in these. If anyone has made it would be good to hear.

I admire your initiative but caveat to this - Vodka and almost all spirits readily available is only 40% alcohol, CDC recommends alcohol hand gels above 60% as being more reliably effective (and soap and water more reliable still).

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP