Hunters - Amazon Original (Spoilers)

Agent Coulson · 01-11-2019 8:25pm #1

From Jordan Peele starring Al Pacino

Hunters, follows a rag-tag team of Nazi Hunters on their quest for righteous revenge in 1977 New York City.

Slydice · 01-11-2019 9:00pm

I think Inglorious Bastards has me a bit skued into hype territory. This show looks like it's probably gonna be more grounded and spycraft based. All the same..

also, googled mitzvah

mitzvah
/ˈmɪtsvə/
Learn to pronounce
nounJudaism
noun: mitzvah; plural noun: mitzvoth

a precept or commandment.
a good deed done from religious duty.

Agent Coulson · 21-11-2019 7:06pm

Full Trailer

Looks good.

silverharp · 21-11-2019 7:43pm

i know its only a trailer but it looks a bit cartooney ,i think I'd prefer to rewatch the Boys from Brazil

Slydice · 21-11-2019 9:23pm

Al Pacino is gonna OWN THIS!

pixelburp · 22-11-2019 11:25am

Kinda hard to get a sense of its tone, seemed to be playing it straight, but then the "team" shot looked a bit pop-punk. And with Pacino in the cast, lord knows how he'll play his part.

Agent Coulson · 03-01-2020 8:24pm

Full trailer and drops February 21st;

Slydice · 03-01-2020 8:33pm

God Damn Nazis!

Credit Checker Moose · 03-01-2020 8:49pm

Looks great!

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO · 03-01-2020 11:20pm

Shouty Al I'm all for this,

Slydice · 03-02-2020 1:51am

Oh! Missed that they had a Superbowl trailer up for the last 5 days!

God Damn Nazis!

Slydice · 13-02-2020 10:05pm

There will be blood!

Red Band Trailer:

NFL Players React to Red Band Trailer:

pixelburp · 13-02-2020 10:16pm

"NFL Players React to Red Band Trailer:"

This is apparently a normal sentence in 2020.

Slydice · 13-02-2020 10:26pm

MUST RESIST SAYI... oh dammit.. GOD DAMN NAZIs!

Agent Coulson · 21-02-2020 10:32am

Watched the first episode this morning and it was very good.

Unearthly · 21-02-2020 4:52pm

Hmmmm not sure about this. I didn't watch any of the trailers but was sold with Al Pacino. I'd have preferred it to be more serious instead of the over the top camp style. Feels like a poor mans inglorious basterds

Slydice · 22-02-2020 12:40am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Watched the first episode this morning and it was very good.

Agreed! God Damn Nazis!

Things I had to look up:
Safta or Savta: Safta means grandmother in Hebrew.
The Medal with a Cross with a Red Triangle and the letter P: Auschwitz Cross
Shum Davar: Meaningless (as it.. it means what is happening is Meaningless)
Markus Roth: I couldn't find a person from the camps but there's a Markus Roth who wrote a book about Auschwitz: Amazon Link. Google translation of the description:

Like all literature, theater after Auschwitz faces the problem of whether and how the genocide can be adequately represented and remembered. The discussion of the representation problem forms the starting point and basis for the investigation of the Holocaust drama in the Federal Republic and its close connection with the social analysis of the murder of the Jews. Building on this, the second part of George Tabori's The Cannibals is analyzed. The main question here is how Tabori faces the problems of representation that the theater after Auschwitz faces. With grotesque means, nested time levels and a differentiated constellation of figures, Tabori manages to achieve a new quality in the Holocaust discourse.

Chava - Meaning: Living. Biblical: Chava is the Hebrew name of Eve, the first woman God created.
Schwantz: Urban Dictionary says: 'an unidentifable person wandering aimlessly through life'
Mitzvah: 'a good deed done from religious duty'. I remember hearing this before but looked it up again.
Bedeutung: significance, importance, meaning (meaning as in significance, importance)

Episode 1:
1 hour and 30 minutes! Starts with a warning of Adult Content, Graphic Language, Graphic Violence and Nudity. Means it too!
Felt like

an introduction to the back story but a focus on Jonah. The scene where Safta died was so sad. The moments here look like they've caught him at a crossroads. Not sure how it'll go but it looks like he'll knuckle down.

Saul Rubinek played a fairly nasty character (Kivas Fajo) in the Star Trek The Next Generation episode: The Most Toys (where

Data was a prisoner

). What to expect from him in this series! :eek:

The scene at the start at the swimming pool. I thought

the actress playing the Polish woman really got across a feeling of terror and being in shock.

Slydice · 23-02-2020 12:30am

2: Looks like a little of the shine and gloss style might have been taken off there. I wonder will the style change as the story progresses

and Jonah becomes more a part of the group.

That scene with

the Nazi shooting the pregnant woman... and then later I'm pretty sure he's killed them all.. well.. this season better have him dead at the end or a damn good reason not to. Not sure what the Flamingo was about when he got outside, whether it was symbolic or like.. it's Florida, there are flamingos here.

Looks like the overall plan

was shown at the end there with a plot to have an explosion in Manhattan. Think it was a contained explosion because of the 10 meters.. or maybe it's a robbery involving some demolitions.

Things I looked up
Kavod: term meaning honor and respect
Yenta or Yente: Yiddish women's given name. has entered Yinglish—i.e., become a Yiddish loanword in Jewish varieties of English—as a word referring to a woman who is a gossip or a busybody.
Shtup: yiddish, colloquially for f**k
Imas: plural of ima: Hebrew word for mom
Hashem: title used in Judaism to refer to God
Mohel: a Jew trained in the practice of brit milah, the "covenant of circumcision."
Bubbe: Grandmother
The Rhythm Method: the calendar method or the calendar rhythm method, is a form of natural family planning :eek:
Día of the Semana: Mix of Spanish and English for: day of the week
Winks: I'm not sure on this one. I took it to mean sleep but the book of Proverbs is in the Bible mentions someone who winks being out with bad intentions (multi bible comparison link)
Flamingo: wiki article. There's an element to them changing colour based on what they eat.
Hansel and Gretel: The Hansel and Gretel wiki article "well-known German fairy tale recorded by the Brothers Grimm" who published anti-Semitic fairytales

Unearthly · 23-02-2020 9:30am

I actually enjoyed it in the end. Think it was the opening scene I didn't like which I found too cheesy.

Finale spoiler

Adolf Hitler alive and well in Argentina

Slydice · 23-02-2020 11:07pm

3: Breathe out... breathe out... phew..

That was intense at the end there! Kinda felt a sense of anger. Jonah musta been feeling it too! Guessing he's gotta be in after that!

. Felt like that might have been the story being developed in this episode. Jonah

going from hesitant to feeling the group is something he needs to join.

Episode 1 labeled 18+, 2 was 16+, 3 back to 18+.. kinda getting the feel for it.

That early scene where the Maryanne

Nazi got the stake up through her throat after she jumped Roxy! I was like.. OH ****!

:eek:

So, the overall plot,

feels to be developing into some big event.. in Manhattan.. in 2 week.. either explosion or heist, not sure.

Things I looked up (not many this time)
Money paid by Germany to Holocaust victims: I didn't find a lot on this. The wiki is sparse on it too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations#Holocaust_victims
Chutzpah (just really confirming, I heard this many times before):extreme self-confidence or audacity (usually used approvingly).
Chevy Chase, Maryland: Not just the actors name apparently! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Chase,_Maryland
LBI: Seems to be an amusement park on Long Beach Island: https://www.fantasyislandlbi.com/

Agent Coulson · 23-02-2020 11:13pm

Really enjoyed that as a season once I got past the 70's exploitation gimmick it settled into. I also thought it was one of Al's most toned down performances in a long time.

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-02-2020 11:58pm

Watched episode 1. Looking forward to the rest

Slydice · 25-02-2020 10:24pm

4: :eek:

I hadn't seen John Noble since Fringe! Wow, what a performance! :eek:

Jack43 · 26-02-2020 3:54pm

Looks Good

pixelburp · 26-02-2020 3:59pm

Watched the first episode, and didn't hit the Grindhouse, exploitation tone as hard as I was expecting, while still embracing its pulp sensibility and playing things broad.

When it needed to, it played the horror and emotional trauma of the Holocaust straight as an arrow, which makes for an interesting counterpoint to the recent JoJo Rabbit: IMO that film failed to properly marry the goofy comedy with the inherent tragedy of its setting; on the other hand Hunters knew when to pump the brakes and keep things serious (even if the Nazis in the "present day" were themselves scenery chewing villains)

Slydice · 26-02-2020 11:24pm

5: Felt like a develop-the-plot episode. Looks like

the that big plan is now something under 2 weeks away and is targetting Manhattan with a biological weapon. Traitor nun was flagged already so not a huge shock.

Found the ad for Huntsville, Alabama on youtube:

Things I looked up
Shanda: shame / disgrace
Fakakta: something that is not working well or is really crap

Shul: Synagogues were also called batei tefila, or Houses of Prayer, and batei midrash, or Houses of Study. In Eastern and Central Europe, this led to the synagogue being called a Shul, the Yiddish word for school.

Menorah: "The Hanukkah menorah, is a nine-branched candelabrum lit during the eight-day holiday of Hanukkah, as opposed to the seven-branched menorah used in the ancient Temple or as a symbol. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Hanukkah)

Huey from 1977: I'm guessing it's Huey P. Newton "co-founded the Black Panther Party in 1966"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_P._Newton

Newton and his girlfriend (later his wife) Gwen Fontaine then fled to Havana, Cuba, where they lived until 1977

fritzelly · 27-02-2020 9:20pm

Thoroughly enjoyed that, didn't like Jo Jo Rabbit all that much (Hitler part put me off), but this series hit all the right notes for me.
Hope they do another season

piplip87 · 28-02-2020 12:28am

Very good show. Jaysus that last episode didn't see any of it coming at all. Very very good watch. Sets up season two brilliantly.

One thing I don't get though. It's set in 1977. 30 years after the war. Jonah's mother would literally have to have him at 11 or 12 to make the timeline add up.

fritzelly · 28-02-2020 12:39am

piplip87 wrote: »

Very good show. Jaysus that last episode didn't see any of it coming at all. Very very good watch. Sets up season two brilliantly.

One thing I don't get though. It's set in 1977. 30 years after the war. Jonah's mother would literally have to have him at 11 or 12 to make the timeline add up.

As he never met his mother maybe his grandmother is his mother...

Slydice · 28-02-2020 12:46am

6: I think the thing that got me here was

how they did the scene with Aaron, bringing Harriet back in

and the music in the background (composer is: Cristobal Tapia de Veer)

Also the scene

where Jonah said the prayer and his Safta turned up.

Things I looked up
Schmeckel: dick
Shvantz: dick
Jammerlich: pathetic
L'Chaim: Used as a toast "to life" .. so reminds me of Sláinte
Mindelah: I think this is a name. I'm not sure.

Hora: The horah: differs somewhat from that of some of the Eastern European countries, is widespread in the Jewish diaspora and played a foundational role in modern Israeli folk dancing.

Birkat Hagomel: Blessing/Prayer recited by people who have survived a traumatic, potentially life-threatening episode
Operation Paperclip: "more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians, such as Wernher von Braun and his V-2 rocket team, were taken from Germany to the United States, for U.S. government employment"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Edgewood Maryland - US Army: Edgewood Arsenal human experiments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_human_experiments

The purpose was to study the effect of low-dose chemical warfare agents on military personnel, as well as to test protective clothing, pharmaceuticals and vaccines.

About 7,000 soldiers were used in the experiments, involving exposures to more than 250 different chemicals. Some of the subjects exhibited symptoms at the time of exposure to these agents but long-term follow-up was never provided. The experiments were abruptly terminated by the Army in late 1975 as questions were raised over the legality and ethics of such tests. Many official government reports and civilian lawsuits followed in the wake of the termination.

The chemical agents tested on subjects included chemical warfare agents and other related agents:

Anticholinesterase nerve agents (VX, sarin, and common organophosphorus (OP) and carbamate pesticides)
Mustard agents
Nerve agent antidotes including atropine and scopolamine
Nerve agent reactivators, e.g. the common OP antidote 2-PAM chloride
Psychoactive agents including LSD, PCP, cannabinoids, and BZ
Irritants and riot control agents
Alcohol and caffeine

ejmaztec · 28-02-2020 5:14pm

Did anyone else spot the magic number plate that appeared on the Land Rover at toward the end of Episode 10. "Now you don't, now you see it"
:P

Hector Savage · 28-02-2020 6:31pm

How to spot a Nazi :

"White People"

Switched off,

Rubbish

Slydice · 29-02-2020 6:26pm

7:

Jeez, that scene between Murray and his son Aaron. Then Lonny getting killed. It looked like that was gonna happen to Lonny because he was on his own but Murray.. I thought he had a chance.

All I can guess is that the FBI now see this demonstration bomb, get told about the biological threat and get to work to stop it.

pixelburp · 29-02-2020 6:38pm

I've read that some Holocaust groupings have tut tutted over the fictional massacres of the show, arguing that it lessens the evil to simply invent incidents like that chess game. I dunno, I can see the worry about dramatising the evil, even in something this openly trashy.

Second episode and still enjoying this. Stands to reasons there's something larger at play, 10 episodes of revenge stories would have got old without some semblance of serialisation. Pacino's accent wobbled a bit but his performance has been far more understated than usual; which is ironic given how pulpy this show is, that'd he'd be the stoic one.

Slydice · 29-02-2020 11:27pm

8:

I don't understand the plan with the corn syrup.

Guessing there'll be more in the next episodes.

The song about it in the credits got creepy enough at the very end.

That scene with

Mindy and Murray and Aaron. That packed a punch!

Things I looked up
Shoah: (I was 90% had an idea) The biblical term shoah, meaning "destruction", became the standard Hebrew term for the murder of the European Jews; Yom HaShoah is Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day.
Shivah: a period of seven days' formal mourning for the dead, beginning immediately after the funeral.
Mindeleh/Mindelah: I'm 99% sure this is just the long form of the name Mindy.
Tata: I'm not sure. Maybe it's a name for a relative but I'm not sure which relative.
Simon Wiesenthal: (really strong resemblance to the actual person) was a Jewish Austrian Holocaust survivor, Nazi hunter, and writer.

Found the song about Wernher von Braun:

Slydice · 02-03-2020 8:29pm

9: :eek::eek:

Boiled to death in 500 degree corn syrup!

:eek::eek:

That chainsaw

scene! :eek:

The blowtorch

scene! :eek:

Glad

Jonah didn't do it.

Was wondering

what was going on with the episode as it felt like everything was wrapping up until Meyer and the Colonel went over the bridge.

Things I looked up
Shofar: ancient musical horn typically made of a ram's horn, used for Jewish religious purposes.
Shum Davar: meaningless, trivial, time-wasting talk
OSS: Office of Strategic Services - wartime intelligence agency of the United States during World War II

People from the conversation at the start:

Slydice · 04-03-2020 1:05am

What the actual ****!

Finished! Overall the show .. well.. it was what it said on the tin. It delivered a solid 10 episodes of between one to one and a half hours!

Likely I'd watch a second season if they make one.

Thinking it would have more a end 70s begin 80s cold war feel to it.

10: They

sure made that last scene look like the Sicario dinner table!
William Sadler! What a baddie! Even if short-lived!
Agreed about the twists and turns of this episode. Many parts I didn't see coming.
Didn't see Al Pacino being the wolf. Didn't see The Colonel being alive!
Don't know what's gonna happen with Millie and her FBI/Hunter Squad.
Don't know what's going on with Harriet

Things I looked up
Bashert: one's divinely foreordained spouse or soulmate
Kaddish: a hymn of praises to God found in Jewish prayer services

One characters of note I think was Annie Hägg who played

young Ruth

did great with her role!
Also some of that music by Cristobal Tapia de Veer!

pixelburp · 05-03-2020 4:33pm

Watched Episode 3; seems like each episode has at least one goofy, fourth wall break so this time we got a cheesy infomercial which I suppose if you were easily triggered, you might find offensive. I thought it was funny myself. Indeed, all white people aren't Nazis, but all Nazis are white people!

Have to say I'm really enjoying this show; trashy when it wants to be, melancholy and emotional when the need arises, and all played with just the right amount of tongue in cheek. Easy watching.

ohnonotgmail · 06-03-2020 11:38am

Ending spoiler

Why did they bring joe to argentina?

Slydice · 06-03-2020 7:25pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Ending spoiler
Why did they bring joe to argentina?

My guess is

to bring him to home base to get their chief torturer or soemthing torture him to extract information.

pixelburp · 14-03-2020 10:16pm

Hmmm, if there's one flaw in this ensemble, I'm really not sure what Lonny Flash is supposed to bring to the table. He doesn't seem to do anything except occasionally use his celebrity to open a door.

Homelander · 19-03-2020 10:12am

OK ending, twist was a bit forced I thought, interesting but didn't quite land for me.

Good show though, once you get past the hump of a strange production with the holocaust at its core that alternates between bleak drama and comedy hijinks.

pixelburp · 04-04-2020 2:44pm

Finally finished this, and reading that the head behind the series has 5 seasons of material. So unsurprising it ended on a cliffhanger... And one I had been wondering about. Invoking Argentina seemed had me wondering if we might

have Hitler revealed to be alive. The twist that the Colonel was Eva Braun did catch me though. Shades of The Boys from Brazil too methinks?

.

The more personal twist I had begun to suspect around the midway point; so with the hints dropped it didn't cause that much of a shock when the axe fell. Still felt a touch contrived despite the nods and winks.

Will be interesting to see if this gets a season 2. Hopefully as on balance it was a fun, occasionally heavy hitting show.

Slydice · 04-04-2020 7:09pm

Not sure I've seen enough chatter about it online to give the impression it'll have legs.

careless sherpa · 04-04-2020 7:15pm

Watched three episodes and not sure about this at all. Trying exceedingly hard to channel Tarantino

Drumpot · 05-04-2020 12:16am

Absolutely loved it. Watched it with my wife and she enjoyed it aswell.

Quirky , 70s vibe and among other things I loved the psycho nazi...

gmisk · 03-05-2020 2:04pm

I am mid way through the first episode.
I am finding it incredibly hard to make out what Al Pacino is saying....is it just me?

The Black Oil · 03-05-2020 6:36pm

gmisk wrote: »

I am mid way through the first episode.
I am finding it incredibly hard to make out what Al Pacino is saying....is it just me?

8 episodes in and I can understand him fine.

cdgalwegian · 19-06-2020 11:39pm

Watched the first 5 episodes of Hunters. Still don't know what to make of it. The pulpiness alongside the hyper-stylisations sits a little uncomfortably with the Jewish holocaust backdrop, so if nothing else it's a brave experiment. But there's a lot else going on: I'd normally have switched off by now with the silliness of the plot, but the strange concoction is keeping me interested despite its flaws.