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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #2012
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Is there anything to be said for saying another mass ?

    There are dozens of live Masses on camera from different churches. So go ahead.


  • #2013
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    jam83 wrote: »
    How did it get into northern Italy?

    My theory is it's somehow connected to the outbreak in the French Alps. A truck driver or somebody else who travels around relatively out-of-the-way areas a possible culprit...


  • #2014
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,610 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Occurs that there is going to be a deep urban/rural divide on this.

    Busy cities as opposed to single dwellings widely scattered. I am in West Mayo and houses are fairly few and far apart.

    Far less risk of infection and local shops are used to delivering.

    I'd imagine rural people are more likely to go to Mass - that'll definitely be a big spreader, especially amongst the elderly.
    But overall I'd agree, the lack of public transport and low density housing should be a mitigating factor in rural Ireland.


  • #2015
    Graces7
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    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Agreed which is a big worry. I'm seeing and hearing a lot of "sure it only kills old and sick people" type comments from the public and the media.

    It's this I'm alright Jack thinking that sickens me.

    But if folk flout quarantine the only people they will meet are others doing the same? In which case...


  • #2016
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,610 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    jam83 wrote: »
    How did it get into northern Italy?

    A lot of Chinese living in Milan and Italy in general


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  • #2017
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Our primary school has asked anyone who was in an at risk area over the mid term break to contact them.
    In addition to giving the kids common sense advice on good hand hygiene practice without unduly spooking them.
    Nice to see a bit of leadership.


  • #2018
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    jam83 wrote: »
    How did it get into northern Italy?

    They dont know. They havent tracked down patient zero


  • #2019
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    The IRFU could consider holding the Ireland-Italy Six Nations rugby match behind closed doors, according to Minister for Health Simon Harris.


  • #2020
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/one-million-masks-released-as-australia-reviews-coronavirus-response-20200129-p53vqx.html

    More from the country that had a stockpile of masks - does Ireland have a stockpile? Anyone in the HSE/hospitals know if either keep reserves in stock?
    When we start to see an increase in human to human transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Australia, we may see big gatherings cancelled, school and work closures and home quarantines come into effect.

    Efforts to contain the virus will likely have an impact on the supply chain of goods and services so it’s best to start stocking up on essentials to make life as comfortable as possible.

    “Now is the time to buy a few extra things,” he said.

    “Think about your pets, think about your parents and grandparents (and) how they’re going to go. Do they need medication? Should you talk to your doctor about getting a few extra prescriptions in the cupboard just in case?

    “It's pretty much to say what happens if your schools get closed and you’re stuck at home with your kids for a while or if people say you can’t go to work, we need to keep people at home for a while to slow down the spread of the virus.

    “Are you set up at home to have some stuff for a couple of weeks to keep going, to have stuff to eat (like) canned food, dried food. Do you have (home-based activities) to do? Have you got batteries?”

    Prof Mackay said there was no need to stockpile like a prepper while the virus remained contained in Australia.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/its-coming-its-just-how-long-it-takes-to-come/news-story/e4236f1b73802379a9f8592ccb572d13

    Sounds sensible
    In the event of an outbreak of the deadly coronavirus, the government has revealed some of the serious steps that would be taken.

    In the event of an outbreak of coronavirus in Australia, major public events that draw large crowds would be cancelled while schools and workplaces in affected areas would close.

    The government announced today it has activated its emergency response plan for global pandemics, as the COVID-19 disease continues to spread further through Asia and Europe.


    The plan outlines how authorities should react in the event of an outbreak in Australia, in a manner that Mr Hunt described as “rings of containment”

    Infected individuals and their families or affected groups would be contained in a bid to slow the impact, he said.

    Depending on the severity of an outbreak and an infected individual’s movements, that could see the closure of schools and workplaces.

    And in a scenario where rates of infection spike in major cities, large-scale events like AFL matches could be cancelled.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/cancel-major-events-close-schools-and-workplaces-what-happens-if-theres-an-outbreak-of-coronavirus/news-story/d42c8b2f06cac2c624226dcb4fb94249

    The only thing I would say is they should expand their ban on flights from China to include any affected country or region with open borders i.e Europe would now be shut. Prevent stuff rather than react to it. Anyway its clear the path authorities are taking/going to take worldwide. No reason why Ireland wouldnt be different. The examples of schools in random places across the country just arriving back from N. Italy tells me that you should be stocking up sensibly like the Professor in Australia recommends.


  • #2021
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/recommendations.html


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  • #2022
    TheAnalyst_
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    Duke of Url wrote: »
    The IRFU could consider holding the Ireland-Italy Six Nations rugby match behind closed doors, according to Minister for Health Simon Harris.

    Thats a good idea. They could then screen the game in a large venue for al the italian fans that travelled over to watch it together.


  • #2023
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    https://twitter.com/Daily_Express/status/1232632770016546822

    Possible case in London


  • #2024
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,427 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Panic?

    Calmly told to go home and work from there.


  • #2025
    facehugger99
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    If one of the Italian Props has the virus he could infect the entire scrum and both No 9's.


  • #2026
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Let's hope it's no cause for concern and just a precaution :(

    The majority of people arrive to work in that area by Tube so there is going to be a lot of concerned people there.


  • #2027
    lobbylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭lobbylad


    Boggles wrote: »
    Panic?

    Calmly told to go home and work from there.

    I think the express are legally prohibited from writing a headline that doesn't include at least one of the following words:

    Panic
    Horror
    Shock
    Furious
    Outrageous
    Meltdown
    Exposed


  • #2028
    BanditLuke
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Panic?

    Calmly told to go home and work from there.

    In fairness i didn't write the headline and yes i agree it is a bit over the top.

    It seems employees where sent home without an explanation and are only finding out now why.

    Apparently the employee with the suspected case recently returned from a region with cases of the virus but it doesn't state what region.


  • #2029
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Graces7 wrote: »
    But if folk flout quarantine the only people they will meet are others doing the same? In which case...

    Unless they're housesharing with people who are obeying quarantine.


  • #2030
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    Thats a good idea. They could then screen the game in a large venue for al the italian fans that travelled over to watch it together.

    Serve them plenty of pints in Hazmat suits. Everybody wins. (Except Italy in the rugby)


  • #2031
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    jam83 wrote: »
    How did it get into northern Italy?

    Looks likely it was Chinese tourists to the area.
    The first cases detected in Italy were from two Chinese tourists in Rome on the 31st January.


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  • #2032
    SusanC10
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    RTE are now saying (Website) that Simon Harris has said that any decision to cancel the Ireland v Italy Match is up to the IRFU.

    Does anyone know what kind of emergency powers our Government actually have to deal with anything to do with this Virus (or any other similar style of situation) ? Is there specific Legislation ?


  • #2033
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    The IRFU would to my mind like the game to go ahead. A delay could be infinite given this situation might go on till after summer and an empty stadium or behind closed doors means a bit less money in the coffers.

    Dan.



  • #2034
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    RTE are now saying (Website) that Simon Harris has said that any decision to cancel the Ireland v Italy Match is up to the IRFU.

    Does anyone know what kind of emergency powers our Government actually have to deal with anything to do with this Virus (or any other similar style of situation) ? Is there specific Legislation ?

    Why are we so ****ing inept.

    Is everyone shirking the responsibility of stating, "The virus is an issue. We need to make necessary steps to protect the potential spread of it in Ireland".

    The apparent thirst for money, over the protection of the nation and its individuals, is something that I hope doesn't severely bite us in the coming weeks and months.


  • #2035
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-latest-italy-uk-china-tenerife-death-toll/

    Overwhelmed Wuhan nurses speak out about hospital conditions

    Two nurses treating patients in Wuhan have pleaded with the international medical community to come to China to help manage the epidemic.

    In a heartfelt letter to the Lancet medical journal, Yingchun Zeng and Yan Zhen, who travelled to Wuhan from Guangzhou province to help their overwhelmed colleagues, say the conditions and environment in the city “are more difficult and extreme than we could ever have imagined”.

    It is highly unusual for health staff to speak out and a Chinese doctor who warned about the virus when it first emerged last year was silenced by authorities.

    They write:

    “There is a severe shortage of protective equipment, such as N95 respirators, face shields, goggles, gowns, and gloves. The goggles are made of plastic that must be repeatedly cleaned and sterilised in the ward, making them difficult to see through.

    “Due to the need for frequent hand washing, several of our colleagues’ hands are covered in painful rashes. As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead."


  • #2036
    bman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭bman1


    Question for you all.. my handicapped aunt has been in and out of hospital, no immune system, and now my sister had a big operation and had spleen and 2/3 of pancreas removed, and is told she is more at risk of infections and the sort. So it got me thinking about the coronavirus. If it comes here it'll be hard to get the essentials like masks and hand sanitiser when every one goes into panic buying mode. But at the same time there's so many different types of masks out there with different ratings it's hard to know if ur buying sumthing good or average. Same for hand sanitiser. Is there products they are recommending, haven't seen anything posted anywhere.


  • #2037
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Because if they did that and the virus ended up spreading less than expected they'd end up being criticised for being too extreme rather than praised for being cautious.

    When you're in a position of responsibility, you should easily be able to own that outcome and be comfortable that you've made the correct decision for the betterment and safety of all.

    We have weak people in power, it seems.


  • #2038
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Because if they did that and the virus ended up spreading less than expected they'd end up being criticised for being too extreme rather than praised for being cautious.

    If any one complained about them being too extreme, send them to Wuhan.

    I'm guessing, based on a bit of reading, that if you get it, call your doctor and they are going to tell you to wait it out unless your at deaths door.


  • #2039
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭josip


    bman1 wrote: »
    Question for you all.. my handicapped aunt has been in and out of hospital, no immune system, and now my sister had a big operation and had spleen and 2/3 of pancreas removed, and is told she is more at risk of infections and the sort. So it got me thinking about the coronavirus. If it comes here it'll be hard to get the essentials like masks and hand sanitiser when every one goes into panic buying mode. But at the same time there's so many different types of masks out there with different ratings it's hard to know if ur buying sumthing good or average. Same for hand sanitiser. Is there products they are recommending, haven't seen anything posted anywhere.


    It's unlikely you'll be able to get a mask now.
    If getting sanitiser, people on here have recommended the Aldi one which has > 70% alcohol content.


  • #2040
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Because if they did that and the virus ended up spreading less than expected they'd end up being criticised for being too extreme rather than praised for being cautious.

    Its all economics. Nothing more nothing else.


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  • #2041
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    RTE are now saying (Website) that Simon Harris has said that any decision to cancel the Ireland v Italy Match is up to the IRFU.

    Does anyone know what kind of emergency powers our Government actually have to deal with anything to do with this Virus (or any other similar style of situation) ? Is there specific Legislation ?

    This is why Italy declared a State of Emergency on January 31st in relation to Coronavirus even though they only had 2/3 confirmed Cases at that point - so that they could take immediate measures if things escalated.


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