Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

BanditLuke wrote: »

Pure greed that's why. Look at the sh1tstorm Harris is facing as an example over the rugbyball match.

I think part of the problem is that he never personally told the IRFU before making the announcement, they heard it on the news which is pretty unprofessional. The match needs to be cancelled though, or played with no fans allowed to travel.

YFlyer wrote: »

That fool on Newstalk is saying people are over reacting because a lot more people die from the common seasonal flu. Never mention about the morality rate.

I don't get this. We can't determine the mortality rate if we are including still infected cases.

You need to do divide dead by dead+cured (ie total numbers that have finished with the virus

From the below website today's numbers are 2700 dead & 30000 cured....which makes the mortality rate about 8% (2700/2700+30000)

https://news.qq.com/zt2020/page/feiyan.htm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#/rumor

kevcos wrote: »

FFS.
That sounds like a school playground. :rolleyes:
Never realised a flu caused the suffering to scream aloud.

People still linking that video with no context.

It was a protest against quarantine where residents shouted out their windows for a few minutes.

Stop posting it now thanks. It's been linked several times already as some sort of "proof" that China is hiding how bad it really is.

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

The WHO says different. They have praised china for shutting down all travel and doing mass lockdowns though despite whatever effects it has had on the economy. The guy who was just in Wuhan was again emphasising the value of the lockdowns.

Doesn't make sense, whats the difference between China and the rest of the world?

The difference is Wuhan was the epicentre of the outbreak and they had no idea how bad it was and are still trying to figure it out.

You are suggesting shutting down our tiny island that has 0 cases so far, and as we're getting more info, the virus doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as it did initially.

MadYaker wrote: »

You don’t need a mask unless you’re getting up close and personal with someone who has it, like a family member etc. Or if you work in healthcare. The virus isn’t airborne so I’m not sure why so many people want masks. The hse advice on masks is straight forward. Washing your hands etc is more important.

What about people who spend 30-60 minutes in very close quarters with commuters during both rush hour periods? I'm thinking the likes of the Luas and Dart where peak times can leave you squeezed shoulder to shoulder with others. Some of the cases you read about were transmitted via business events, small gatherings etc. with far more personal space than packed train/tram carriages.

You don't have to be living with someone or treating patients 24/7 to catch this and that's what some people are worried about.

For those with family members with underlying conditions that they would be afraid of passing on to, it's absolutely a consideration.

MadYaker wrote: »

You don’t need a mask unless you’re getting up close and personal with someone who has it, like a family member etc. Or if you work in healthcare. The virus isn’t airborne so I’m not sure why so many people want masks. The hse advice on masks is straight forward. Washing your hands etc is more important.

How about retail workers there in direct contact with people constantly. How are they meant to know who has and hasn't it.

BanditLuke wrote: »

What more info?

That the death rate is nowhere near as high as it seemed initially in Wuhan. That the rate of infection was doubling every week but has slowed right down in the last week to around 10% despite it reaching other countries. This was caused by the virus running rampant for weeks before being identified in Wuhan then their health services being overwhelmed by it.

Again these numbers could change for the worse or better. Shutting down the country before the virus even get's here would do more harm than the virus though. That's my opinion.

Assuming Chinas figures are correct (might be a stretch) - they are showing some positive trends - reduction in serious cases by c.500 since yesterday but by c.2.5k since Monday along with declining deaths - 50 yesterday. In addition reduction in new cases

SK have now tested up to 20k people from which they have identified 1.2k people - also seems to be a little drop off in identifying infected people

Very little mention of the condition of survivors...many sars survivors left with chronic damage to their lungs. This is a simiar virus.

That should be concerning people....

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This advice regarding face masks seems sensible, from the HSE:
Facemasks
Don't:
do not use a face mask if you feel well and do not have symptoms - there’s no evidence that using masks is of any benefit if you are not sick.
....

You should use a facemask if you:
have or may have coronavirus
are in close contact with someone who has or may have coronavirus
are a healthcare worker in close contact with people who may have or have coronavirus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's the equivalent of saying only wear your safety belt if your going to have an accident.

On this. Both John Hopkins and the CDC confirm that the Corona virus can be spread from person to person through 'droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking'

For those using public transport or similar which puts them into 'close contact' for any extended periods with those 'coughing, sneezing or talking' - properly fitted N95 face masks at least provide a basic level of protection - especially where there is no way of knowing who may be carrying the virus

It therefore makes fek all sense to state to "do not use a face mask if you feel well and do not have symptoms"

The current advice presumes that those who do not feel well or have symptoms will automatically use a face mask. In all likelihood most people will he unaware or indeed may not even bother wearing a facemask to protect others. And unfortunately that's more likley than otherwise.

Properly fitted N95 facemasks do provide some protection against droplets in the air. They also stop people from touching their face.

Learning how to fit facemasks properly is not rocket science. Plenty of good instructional PPE videos on the intranet.

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

The irfu want a specific reason to cancel the game?are they having a laugh or what.

Are flights going to be cancelled? If not, why not?

Are all public gatherings going to be cancelled? If not, why not?

They want clarity. They are probably annoyed at having to give in to clear panic and arse-covering. I would be.

Canceling the rugby game is absolutely pointless if they aren't canceling flights from Italy too.

On 7th of march, there will be thousands of Italians mixing with locals in Dublin...public transport, squashed together in temple bar, shopping on Grafton/Henry Street.

Yes a lot will now cancel their trip but a lot won't which still leaves thousands of possibly infected Italians on the way for their Guinness

gozunda wrote: »

On this. Both John Hopkins and the CDC confirm that the Corona virus can be spread from person to person through 'droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking'

For those using public transport or similar which puts them into 'close contact' for any extended periods with those 'coughing, sneezing or talking' - properly fitted N95 face masks at least provide a basic level of protection - especially where there is no way of knowing who may be carrying the virus

It therefore makes fek all sense to state to "do not use a face mask if you feel well and do not have symptoms"

The current advice presumes that those who do not feel well or have symptoms will automatically use a face mask. In all likelihood most people will he unaware or indeed may not even bother wearing a facemask to protect others. And unfortunately that's more likley than otherwise.

Properly fitted N95 facemasks do provide some protection against droplets in the air. They also stop people from touching their face.

Learning how to fit facemasks properly is not rocket science. Plenty of good instructional PPE videos on the intranet.

Doctor from the WHO has just been on BBC Breakfast and said that the only people that should be using face masks are those who have a transmittable infection to stop them from transmitting it.
She also said that once your mask gets wet from your breath it is useless so you need to change your mask multiple times during the day.
Seemed like a very sensible woman to be honest.

Ludo wrote: »

Thank you. With all the crap in the media lately due to the election about how terrible the health service is, you are gonna have a hard time convincing people of anything good about it. It has been blown out of all proportion for political motives.
That is a pity as all health services have issues..it is their nature. Any interaction I have had with the health service here (quite a few for elderly family members) has always been fantastic...well as fantastic as any trip to an A+E can be really.

We have a multifactorial capacity issue particularly regarding OPD and non acute issues. There are many reasons for that. Mismanagement, lack of education of the public as to what should require a hospital visit, lack of resources, lack of doctors and nurses etc.

But when you are in the system acutely it is good. We have fantastic access to expensive biologic medications basically for free that many other developed nations don't, we have in my opinion great staff on the frontline, we have excellent acute care programmes for heart attack, stroke, trauma which are all being developed on an ongoing basis as we speak. I've done two cases in the past week where we used high tech laser equipment at a cost of thousands of euro per case to get better results for the patient.

I don't want to play down the potential seriousness of this. Of course if 2000 people suddenly need ICU care then we are in a serious situation. That would equally be the case in any country in the world. Nowhere has hundreds of ICU beds idle, that would be a massive waste of resources.

But we have options also. We can prioritise, we can use NiV on the wards, we can cancel non urgent procedures, we can transfer to private hospitals. I know my colleagues and I can guarantee the vast majority will be there to front up to this if it comes. We won't be calling in sick and we'll do our best like we do every day.

It's human nature that on threads like this healthcare workers will be playing it down a little and the public will play it up. We unfortunately see people die. Recently a 30 year old lady died under my care of flu. People die every week unfortunately so you become desensitised to it. Thats why we tend not to completely freak out about this. Its one issue in a long list of issues that can cause problems.

Ludo wrote: »

Really? Google "winter 2019 trolley nhs". This is not a uniquely Irish problem. This winter the problem was particularly bad due to the bad flu going round and then the election made it such a big issue.

Or just this to this morning's "Today" programme on BBC Radio 4. Only the accents were different from any Irish health service coverage regarding A&E.