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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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    #1142
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    In Italy they are banning all meetings both public and private in affected areas. Will that apply here? Dail, council meetings Gov Departments too?


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    #1143
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    should have joined the shinners

    Ill remember that as I toss your corpse into the communal grave. With great respect naturally.


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    #1144
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    The HSE don't inspire one with confidence.

    How can they not be aware of the situation in Lombardy? It's been all over the news.

    They don't seem to understand that this is a contagious disease.
    Every 24 hours matters.
    They say they can't test everyone coming back from affected Italy.

    How are they gonna be able to treat all the people infected by the people they didn't test?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1145
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Italy has 322 infected people
    10 deaths
    ...1 recovery so far


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    #1146
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    What is the worst case scenario? How ugly can this get? Containment is already a lost cause. If the WHO upgrades it to a pandemic there will panic. First world countries will probably be alright and will be able to ride both the sickness and the hits on their economies. But third world countries, the elderly and sick would be in dire straits. And what will happen to nation’s economies, particularly for those who depend on trade with China for goods and component parts, if it causes cuts to the tune of about $1 Trillion in 2020 from the global economy?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1147
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    The cancelling of the rugbyball match isn't enough. Its like we are sleepwalking into a disaster. Still flights retuning from Milan 4 today in total and one due later.


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    #1148
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    saabsaab wrote: »
    In Italy they are banning all meetings both public and private in affected areas. Will that apply here? Dail, council meetings Gov Departments too?

    Why would they do that when there are no corona virus outbreaks here?


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    #1149
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Just ask any Australian whether they think there is likely to be any truth to such a story.


    That is a year old.


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    #1150
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Italy has 322 infected people
    10 deaths
    ...1 recovery so far

    And how many who don’t know they have it and have recovered fine?
    Those 10 deaths are all in high risk groups


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    #1151
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,127 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    If this is true then no doubt its here and if thats the attitude of the HSE then we are f*&ked

    We're ****ed anyway the HSE has no means to handle it there already running close to capacity. We don't have the beds, medical staff or equipment and it's too late to do anything.


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    #1152
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ohh I agree we need to cancel the parades and events, but stopping people simply coming here is a big step which im not sure anyone in power has the balls to take.


    The parades didn't happen the year of foot and mouth disease and life carried on. That was over cattle, not humans.


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    #1153
    Juanito13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭Juanito13


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Aspirin is my favourite pain reliever. Paracetamol is meh.

    Pretty useful to have on hand in the event of heart attack or stroke. Paracetamol - not so much.

    https://www.drugs.com/compare/aspirin-vs-paracetamol

    Yeah I wouldn’t be giving aspirin to someone with symptoms of stroke. Unless you can do a CT scan at home?


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    #1154
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Why would they do that when there are no corona virus outbreaks here?



    the same words were pronounced in Italy last week
    "Italy is safe, there is no risk here"


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    #1155
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    So today Austria, Croatia, France, Spain, Switzerland ,Romania and Italy all have confirmed new cases


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    #1156
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Italy has 322 infected people
    10 deaths
    ...1 recovery so far

    Pretty sure everyone who died was part of the high risk grouping.


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    #1157
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,156 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    The parades didn't happen the year of foot and mouth disease and life carried on. That was over cattle, not humans.

    I think it was moved to June if I'm not wrong?


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    #1158
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    And how many who don’t know they have it and have recovered fine?
    Those 10 deaths are all in high risk groups


    add those who died that were never tested


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    #1159
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What is the worst case scenario? How ugly can this get? Containment is already a lost cause. If the WHO upgrades it to a pandemic there will panic. First world countries will probably be alright and will be able to ride both the sickness and the hits on their economies. But third world countries, the elderly and sick would be in dire straits. And what will happen to nation’s economies, particularly for those who depend on trade with China for goods and component parts, if it causes cuts to the tune of about $1 Trillion in 2020 from the global economy?

    I stand by what I said weeks ago now, this will collapse the world economy and kill countless numbers of people even if every country on the planet took the measures China have which have been draconian and wide spread. If those measures won't be taken it doesn't warrant even thinking about.


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    #1160
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What is the worst case scenario? How ugly can this get?

    Nobody can answer this. Spanish Flu didn't kill in one go. It mutated, took a year to play out, came in waves travelling around the world. Its a novel virus.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

    death-chart.jpg
    There were 3 different waves of illness during the pandemic, starting in March 1918 and subsiding by summer of 1919. The pandemic peaked in the U.S. during the second wave, in the fall of 1918. This highly fatal second wave was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to the pandemic.


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    #1161
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What is the worst case scenario? How ugly can this get? Containment is already a lost cause. If the WHO upgrades it to a pandemic there will panic. First world countries will probably be alright and will be able to ride both the sickness and the hits on their economies. But third world countries, the elderly and sick would be in dire straits. And what will happen to nation’s economies, particularly for those who depend on trade with China for goods and component parts, if it causes cuts to the tune of about $1 Trillion in 2020 from the global economy?

    With complex, JIT supply chains that mean three days food supply in most shops? With limited Hospital beds and the inability, like the Chinese, to build hospitals in days? Without large militaries to enforce quarantine zones?

    We won't be hit as bad as African countries or India, but it we will be far from alright.


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    #1162
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    silverharp wrote: »
    the Iranian health minister getting sick on camera has to be one of the more surreal things ive seen in a while related to this

    I agree, it's sooo surreal and an unfortunate irony too. If we come out the other end of this that footage will go down in history as part of this outbreak.

    He must have been feeling so awful to not be able to even hide it. Apparently him and two others were told not to attend due to temp checks but they went ahead anyway!


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    #1163
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    There is no doubt this is a pandemic of major concern, but just look at context.

    So far, 100,000 cases (and we have many experts saying that's probably 10 times or more in reality). So say a million.
    2634 deaths which is probably a reasonably close to accurate number as they are much more likely to be accurately reported.

    So far this year in two months, assuming average incidence each month:
    up to 150 million people have had the flu
    up to 415,000 have been hospitalised from the flu
    54,000 people have died from the flu.


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    #1164
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Pretty sure everyone who died was part of the high risk grouping.

    do you mean they were old and sick people so it's ok?


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    #1165
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,226 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Hoping this won't be as bad as the Spanish flu, but I think it will be with us for years.


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    #1166
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    The parades didn't happen the year of foot and mouth disease and life carried on. That was over cattle, not humans.


    Yes this needs to be treated like the foot and mouth was.


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    #1167
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Yes thsi needs to be treated like the foot and mouth was.

    At a minimum!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1168
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We're ****ed anyway the HSE has no means to handle it there already running close to capacity. We don't have the beds, medical staff or equipment and it's too late to do anything.

    Read earlier they have 12 spare ventilators for the whole country, 12.


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    #1169
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    do you mean they were old and sick people so it's ok?

    No he meant they were old and or sick. Thats it.


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    #1170
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    do you mean they were old and sick people so it's ok?

    No he didn’t. He mentioned the demographics. An Analyst would have recognised this.


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    #1171
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    sdanseo wrote: »
    There is no doubt this is a pandemic of major concern, but just look at context.

    So far, 100,000 cases (and we have many experts saying that's probably 10 times or more in reality). So say a million.
    2634 deaths which is probably a reasonably close to accurate number as they are much more likely to be accurately reported.

    So far this year in two months, assuming average incidence each month:
    up to 150 million people have had the flu
    up to 415,000 have been hospitalised from the flu
    54,000 people have died from the flu.


    Let's start pulling some numbers out of a hat!

    The total cases is 80,000 and that was the easiest figure to get right ;)


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