Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

Graces7 · 25-02-2020 08:53AM

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

This is what we have been doing. Adding oat milk, noodles, pastas, frozen veg (we have some space luckily), black bags for waste, loo roll, box of latex gloves, hand soaps, nappies too as well as Vit C, paracetamol and Nurofen/Calpol for the wee lad if needed.

Would love anyone elses suggestions, a lot of those 'survival' lists get intense.... Like yourself its all stuff we will use eventually anyway.

Just do an extra week's shop and some. As I am so isolated and remote I have stocks for a couple of months here. Flour and dried yeast/baking soda, pasta, rice, tinned meat, as protein is needed, dried milk, sugar, oats, Just all you use normally. Oh and chocolate etc; no need to feel deprived. Potatoes..

And if you have pets, plenty of food for them.

Poor_old_gill · 25-02-2020 08:56AM

laurah591 wrote: »

How did they identify this person? Was it control measures from the inbound flight? or did he just come forward?
A positive that he is in quarantine and being tested

No idea how person was identified, just know that they were brought to sealed off area last night/late yesterday evening.

odyssey06 · 25-02-2020 09:04AM

The Journal have gathered the available information from the HSE and government... I have to say I'm not reassured much.
https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-preparations-coronavirus-explainer-5019550-Feb2020/

If it's a small outbreak we can cope. Anything more than that they don't want to think about right now... "forced quarantine" or cordoning off towns as has been done in Italy is not something they seem prepared for \ prepared to consider.

I find it strange they're considering calling off the Ireland v Italy rugby match rather than just playing it here but stopping flights from Italy to the game \ closing away section.

Hector Savage · 25-02-2020 09:05AM

Good to see the WHO addressing the important points - nasty stereotypes!!!

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1232070253544382466?s=20

odyssey06 · 25-02-2020 09:08AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Good to see the WHO addressing the important points - nasty stereotypes!!!

Easier to virtue signal than to do the one thing only your organisation can do, declare a pandemic when one appears!

Or have I referenced a nasty stereotype about bureaucrats???

25-02-2020 09:12AM

I don’t get why the WHO are so blatantly changing the terms of how the new confirmed cases are counted. Just those who have developed pneumonia?

What happens if a crazy amount of people develop pneumonia tomorrow, do they move the goalposts again to make the numbers look good?

Hector Savage · 25-02-2020 09:14AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Easier to virtue signal than to do the one thing only your organisation can do, declare a pandemic when one appears!

Or have I referenced a nasty stereotype about bureaucrats???

I am offended !

reg114 · 25-02-2020 09:15AM

People really need to get some perspective here.

The traditional flu which most of us have had at one point kills between 5 and 600,000 people globally every year. In America alone over the winter of 2019 there have been . 26 million cases of flu' killing 14,000 people.

In contrast, Coronavirus has killed 2700 globally and has caused 80,000 illnesses.

Flu will have claimed more lives in ireland than this winter than the coronavirus which hasnt even landed here yet. People need to stop panicking.

DrumSteve · 25-02-2020 09:17AM

reg114 wrote: »

People really need to get some perspective here.

The traditional flu which most of us have had at one point kills between 5 and 600,000 people globally every year. In America alone over the winter of 2019 there have been . 26 million cases of flu' killing 14,000 people.

In contrast, Coronavirus has killed 2700 globally and has caused 80,000 illnesses.

Flu will have claimed more lives in ireland than this winter than the coronavirus which hasnt even landed here yet. People need to stop panicking.

What's 2700 as a percentage of 80000 and what's 14000 as a percentage of 2600000.

I think that's why people are worried.

Graces7 · 25-02-2020 09:18AM

There was a news item a few days ago here; corona is now a notifiable disease in Ireland, and that gives powers of restraint.

Cannot copy/paste here but should be easy enough to find and may reassure folk some?

Thank you

Watching it all from a distance as I am permanently in isolation out here.

SusanC10 wrote: »

Italy actually declared a state of Emergency re Coronavirus on January 31st even though they only had 2/3 Cases then. But by doing that, it gave them the necessary powers to lockdown those towns last weekend.

Graces7 · 25-02-2020 09:21AM

reg114 wrote: »

People really need to get some perspective here.

The traditional flu which most of us have had at one point kills between 5 and 600,000 people globally every year. In America alone over the winter of 2019 there have been . 26 million cases of flu' killing 14,000 people.

In contrast, Coronavirus has killed 2700 globally and has caused 80,000 illnesses.

Flu will have claimed more lives in ireland than this winter than the coronavirus which hasnt even landed here yet. People need to stop panicking.

No one is panicking, This is an unknown quantity so greater care is being taken is all and wisely and rightly so .

Your last sentence ?

And folk stocking up is wise; far better than a mad rush to the shops if it breaks out here and nothing lost or wasted.

odyssey06 · 25-02-2020 09:22AM

reg114 wrote: »

People really need to get some perspective here.

The traditional flu which most of us have had at one point kills between 5 and 600,000 people globally every year. In America alone over the winter of 2019 there have been . 26 million cases of flu' killing 14,000 people.

In contrast, Coronavirus has killed 2700 globally and has caused 80,000 illnesses.

Flu will have claimed more lives in ireland than this winter than the coronavirus which hasnt even landed here yet. People need to stop panicking.

Omigod, the humanity, we're doomed and all going to die.
That's panic.
There's no panic, just vigilant concern/

Your comparison has no merit. You're comparing the possible effects of a disease which hasn't hit yet with one that is a known quantity, for which we have a vaccine, and which in fact places our health service under massive strain when it does hit.

You can see why we're concerned.

If you want some perspective, ask yourself why Russia closed its border with China. A country with the intelligence and scientific resources of Russia closed its border with its major trading ally because of something which you think is of less concern than the traditional flu?
Do you think they were panicking?

reg114 · 25-02-2020 09:23AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

What's 2700 as a percentage of 80000 and what's 14000 as a percentage of 2600000.

I think that's why people are worried.

covid19 mortality rate 3%

Flu mortality rate 0.5%

Sars mortality rate 10%

Mers mortality rate 30%

As you can see the mortality rates for Sars and Mers were far higher than for either Covid 19 or Flu. The difference is hype perpetuated by social media and a 24 hour news cycle.

padjocollins · 25-02-2020 09:24AM

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
new cases trending down. only two new cases in Italy. lets hope the trend continues

Runaways · 25-02-2020 09:25AM

So 5 days home from Cambodia and I have a phlegmy head cold and muscle pains in my back and legs.
What fun.

wylo · 25-02-2020 09:25AM

My main concern today is people needlessly stock buying flour and denying me the ability to buy it to make pancakes while they sit on bags and bags of it

wylo · 25-02-2020 09:26AM

Runaways wrote: »

So 5 days home from Cambodia and I have a phlegmy head cold and muscle pains in my back and legs.
What fun.

Afaik that’s not covid19,phlegm gives it away

reg114 · 25-02-2020 09:29AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Omigod, the humanity, we're doomed and all going to die.
That's panic.
There's no panic, just vigilant concern/

Your comparison has no merit. You're comparing the possible effects of a disease which hasn't hit yet with one that is a known quantity, for which we have a vaccine, and which in fact places our health service under massive strain when it does hit.

You can see why we're concerned.

If you want some perspective, ask yourself why Russia closed its border with China. A country with the intelligence and scientific resources of Russia closed its border with its major trading ally because of something which you think is of less concern than the traditional flu?
Do you think they were panicking?

I cant speak for the Russian government but seeing as they are alot closer to the epicentre of the Wuhan outbreak and share a landmass it would be prudent of them to exercise caution. Theres a huge difference between the threat faced on the Chinese Russian border and people living in Ireland.

Track the disease yourselves but note the numbers of new cases and deaths are actually falling.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

wakka12 · 25-02-2020 09:29AM

reg114 wrote: »

covid19 mortality rate 3%

Flu mortality rate 0.5%

Sars mortality rate 10%

Mers mortality rate 30%

As you can see the mortality rates for Sars and Mers were far higher than for either Covid 19 or Flu. The difference is hype perpetuated by social media and a 24 hour news cycle.

Flu mortality rate is 0.1%
Covid is at most 2%, I don't think you appreciate how high that is though . Anything over 2% is considered a majorly destructive pandemic by WHO/CDC

EltonJohn69 · 25-02-2020 09:29AM

Confirmed: Match is going ahead

dominatinMC · 25-02-2020 09:29AM

padjocollins wrote: »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
new cases trending down. only two new cases in Italy. lets hope the trend continues

Finally some good news. If it can be trusted, that is

MastiffMrs · 25-02-2020 09:31AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The Journal have gathered the available information from the HSE and government... I have to say I'm not reassured much.
https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-preparations-coronavirus-explainer-5019550-Feb2020/

If it's a small outbreak we can cope. Anything more than that they don't want to think about right now... "forced quarantine" or cordoning off towns as has been done in Italy is not something they seem prepared for \ prepared to consider.

I find it strange they're considering calling off the Ireland v Italy rugby match rather than just playing it here but stopping flights from Italy to the game \ closing away section.

How would the Italian team arrive?

Ohmeha · 25-02-2020 09:32AM

Very noticeable on the DART this morning more than any day so far this year after this recent spell of bad weather the amount of chesty coughs, sneezing, and of course again half of them making no effort to cover their faces. Hopefully normal seasonal colds/flu but if it's here it's going to spread easily due to plenty of adults ignorance of hygiene

25-02-2020 09:32AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Confirmed: Match is going ahead

So they have time to meet and discuss this but still can’t find anybody to update the hse webpage!

Edit: you winding us up, Elton?

Duke of Url · 25-02-2020 09:32AM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Confirmed: Match is going ahead

tara73 · 25-02-2020 09:33AM

yesterday on the tv news here in germany they asked an expert how many special beds there are available for an epidemic outburst like this: 60!

somebody in the first thread mentioned in Ireland there are 6.

divided through population:

Germany:
roughly 83million /60 = roughly every 1.400 000 (one million 400 thousands') person gets a bed..

Ireland:
roughly 4.8 million/6 = roughly every 800.000 thousands' person gets a bed...

so Ireland is better prepared in this than Germany!:)

reg114 · 25-02-2020 09:33AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Flu mortality rate is 0.1%
Covid is at most 2%, I don't think you appreciate how high that is though . Anything over 2% is considered a majorly destructive pandemic by WHO/CDC

I'll start to take it seriously when there are multiple deaths in Ireland , until then its totally futile getting into a tizzy

wakka12 · 25-02-2020 09:34AM

reg114 wrote: »

I'll start to take it seriously when there are multiple deaths in Ireland , until then its totally futile getting into a tizzy

I completely agree but that doesn't mean it won't be a greater concern than flu if it actually came here

laurah591 · 25-02-2020 09:35AM

padjocollins wrote: »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
new cases trending down. only two new cases in Italy. lets hope the trend continues

Also big drop in serious cases down to 9k from 11k/12k, a big positive

Also in Italy, no increase in serious cases, unfortunately they have falling as a result of death. It appears a number of seriously compromised people were infected when in hospital. [I don't have a reliable source for this statement]. Did the 38 yr old stabilise and improve again?

But Iran looks like a disaster really, exporting cases to much of the middle East & Canada. Would appear that there testing capabilities or wish to test is limited to death or near death cases. Difficult to know.

Very sad news for 4th victim from the ship. I would be worried for those serious ship cases being treated in Japan (35 afaik). All these were fit enough to be going on holidays, very unfortunate.

odyssey06 · 25-02-2020 09:36AM

reg114 wrote: »

I cant speak for the Russian government but seeing as they are alot closer to the epicentre of the Wuhan outbreak and share a landmass it would be prudent of them to exercise caution. Theres a huge difference between the threat faced on the Chinese Russian border and people living in Ireland.

This is not a coherent argument. They have access to all the same stats you have and they closed the border. Should they not show some perspective on it vis a vis the flu and see that they are panicking?
Or are you now admitting they are right to treat this and approach this as a much more serious concern than the flu?

And in the age of easy air travel, viruses don't respect borders.

Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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