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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I’m on a first date tonight, definitely no kissing !!!!

    No french kissing. The French had 11 cases of COVID19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Graces7 wrote: »
    It has been repeatedly affirmed that the virus does not linger on packages etc! Come on now! Stop this!

    I believe the earlier references were with respect to packages from China, which tend to take a while to arrive. As the virus has been stated to survive on surfaces for 9 days, which is greater than the Amazon distribution centre in the Uk delivery time to Ireland.

    I think the possibility is probably very low, but I don't see why it is entirely implausible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/featured

    Dr John now talking about potentially getting virus again.

    In short I think hes saying there may be multiple types of Coronavirus and if you get it again you may get it more severely. Supposedly its possible with some other illness's (Dengue fever). Very interesting explanation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,193 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    theguzman wrote: »
    Surely this will now emerge in Ireland if it has been circulating undetected in Italy for the past few days/weeks?

    So far South America is the last continent not infected but this will probably emerge there also due to the huge Italian links to Brazil and other South American nations.

    Honduras has a case, only the one so far though.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    First date tonight , does a kiss pass on the infection of the other is infected ?

    Just shaking hands will do it. Kissing is a dead cert. if they pull out a tissue or cough at any points, scream and run and wash your hands.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Is this man made ? Synthetic ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Really starting to frustrate me the absolute lack of information from our govenment or HSE, it needs to be repeated ad nauseum for people to not attend hospitals or GPS if they suspect they have it.

    Also they need to update their weeks old warnings about it only being contractable if you visited china


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    When do we expect the dead people on the street videos?

    There was one earlier in the thread purportedly showing wrapped bodies awaiting collection on the pavement in China.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭tara73


    Is this man made ? Synthetic ?


    haha, good luck with this question...:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Is this man made ? Synthetic ?
    The overwhelming consensus from reputable scientists is that it has all the hallmarks of an animal origin, specifically bats.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Wow, Dr John having all sorts of issues getting his planned live discussion out. Keeps buffering


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Clearly the virus has mutated into a computer virus.

    Somebody wrote on the live chat "stop using windows Dr John" :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    hmmm wrote: »
    The overwhelming consensus from reputable scientists is that it has all the hallmarks of an animal origin, specifically bats.

    Yes Bats. But guess what they have hundreds of at the Wuhan virology lab?
    Was there any other possible pathway? We screened the area around the seafood market and identified two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus. Within ~280 meters from the market, there was the Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention (WHCDC) (Figure 1, from Baidu and Google maps). WHCDC hosted animals in laboratories for research purpose, one of which was specialized in pathogens collection and identification 4-6. In one of their studies, 155 bats including Rhinolophus affiniswere captured in Hubei province, and other 450 bats were captured in Zhejiang province4. The expert in collection was noted in the Author Contributions (JHT). Moreover, he was broadcasted for collecting viruses on nation-wide newspapers and websites in 2017 and 20197,8. He described that he was once by attacked by bats and the blood of a bat shot on his skin. He knew the extreme danger of the infection so he quarantined himself for 14 days 7. In another accident, he quarantined himself again because bats peed on him. He was once thrilled for capturing a bat carrying a live tick 8. Surgery was performed on the caged animals and the tissue samples were collected for DNA and RNA extraction and sequencing 4, 5. The tissue samples and contaminated trashes were source of pathogens. They were only ~280 meters from the seafood market. The WHCDC was also adjacent to the Union Hospital (Figure 1, bottom) where the first group of doctors were infected during this epidemic. It is plausible that the virus leaked around and some of them contaminated the initial patients in this epidemic, though solid proofs are needed in future study.
    https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    My god the internet/thought police are out in force today!!!

    Cinema Guy, don't stop, loving the wit. Its something I've always loved about the Irish, the ability to find the humour in any situation.

    Life is short lads, gotta laugh when we can :).

    It's not the internet police at all. It's just sad, and I guess the reaction of certain people just reinforces that many people on this thread are young people with limited life experience. That in itself is fine and explains a lot. People have to learn. We all have to learn somewhere... I had suspected that this thread was mostly populated by teenagers and I suspect this is indeed the case. Or at least I hope it is the case lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    hmmm wrote: »
    The overwhelming consensus from reputable scientists is that it has all the hallmarks of an animal origin, specifically bats.
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
    The ONLY overwhelming consensus is on the bugs name...
    Everything else is still being learned.
    A group in India ( the first to genomically sequence the virus)said it was unlikely to be natural but that paper was pulled.
    Another group of chinese scientists said man made, and saying that publicly is suicide in China.. Other scientists say no, natural.
    Nobody knows. They can't tell us the incubation rate, how it's spreading where it came from..
    Consensus? Ha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    It's not the internet police at all. It's just sad, and I guess the reaction of certain people just reinforces that many people on this thread are young people with limited life experience. That in itself is fine and explains a lot. People have to learn. We all have to learn somewhere... I had suspected that this thread was mostly populated by teenagers and I suspect this is indeed the case. Or at least I hope it is the case lol

    Do we lose our sense of humour too when we age? :-) well shoot...
    Thought I'd lost enough already..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Imy about to throw on contagion.... the movie might send me over the edge..... but....the whiskey should counteract my inevitable hysteria.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
    The ONLY overwhelming consensus is on the bugs name...
    Everything else is still being learned.
    A group in India ( the first to genomically sequence the virus)said it was unlikely to be natural but that paper was pulled.
    Another group of chinese scientists said man made, and saying that publicly is suicide in China.. Other scientists say no, natural.
    Nobody knows. They can't tell us the incubation rate, how it's spreading where it came from..
    Consensus? Ha.

    Sure people here were convinced that it was man made quoting a dodgy paper that claimed to find similarities between the new coronavirus and HIV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭tara73


    Sure people here were convinced that it was man made quoting a dodgy paper that claimed to find similarities between the new coronavirus and HIV.


    how do you know it's dodgy? which source is dodgy in this case and which not? honest question, not provocatively meant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Nurse John doing a live Q+A now
    https://youtu.be/57fVBsJtwbA


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Found some more on the virus and it's possible origins:
    The role of Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, in spreading 2019-nCoV remains murky, though such sequencing, combined with sampling the market’s environment for the presence of the virus, is clarifying that it indeed had an important early role in amplifying the outbreak. The viral sequences, most researchers say, also knock down the idea the pathogen came from a virology institute in Wuhan.
    ...
    Concerns about the institute predate this outbreak. Nature ran a story in 2017 about it building a new biosafety level 4 lab and included molecular biologist Richard Ebright of Rutgers University, Piscataway, expressing concerns about accidental infections, which he noted repeatedly happened with lab workers handling SARS in Beijing. Ebright, who has a long history of raising red flags about studies with dangerous pathogens, also in 2015 criticized an experiment in which modifications were made to a SARS-like virus circulating in Chinese bats to see whether it had the potential to cause disease in humans. Earlier this week, Ebright questioned the accuracy of Bedford’s calculation that there are at least 25 years of evolutionary distance between RaTG13—the virus held in the Wuhan virology institute—and 2019-nCoV, arguing that the mutation rate may have been different as it passed through different hosts before humans. Ebright tells ScienceInsider that the 2019-nCoV data are “consistent with entry into the human population as either a natural accident or a laboratory accident.”
    ...
    Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, dismissed Ebright’s conjecture. “Every time there’s an emerging disease, a new virus, the same story comes out: This is a spillover or the release of an agent or a bioengineered virus,” Daszak says. “It’s just a shame. It seems humans can’t resist controversy and these myths, yet it’s staring us right in the face.
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/mining-coronavirus-genomes-clues-outbreak-s-origins

    So basically the origin is still a mystery and no doubt there will continue to be conspiracy theories until the origin is pinned down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Do we lose our sense of humour too when we age? :-) well shoot...
    Thought I'd lost enough already..

    Oh no... we really don't. I have had massive banter reading this thread. It's genuinely great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    massive banter
    Jesus Christ..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    tara73 wrote: »
    how do you know it's dodgy? which source is dodgy in this case and which not? honest question, not provocatively meant.

    Because Biorxiv Retracted their paper quick smart when there peers proved it to be incorrect and in their words “ shoddy science”

    Now the paper says
    Abstract

    This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I popped some bubble wrap as a joke in work yesterday.

    I’m sneezing today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Another case in Milan - expect a lot more tomorrow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/featured

    Dr John now talking about potentially getting virus again.

    In short I think hes saying there may be multiple types of Coronavirus and if you get it again you may get it more severely. Supposedly its possible with some other illness's (Dengue fever). Very interesting explanation.

    I'd be skeptical of that. All the isolates so far have very similar genomes showing a very recent common ancestor in humans.

    The phenomenon of more severe second infection, raised a few times now, does happen with dengue, but there are important distinctions between the diseases.

    Dengue infects a class of white blood cells that are trying to mediate the immune response. These cells normally make contact with antibody-bound dengue in order to destroy it. But it appears that if the antibody is present at low levels or imperfectly binds to the virus because it's a highly divergent strain from that previously encountered, then the virus may not be rendered harmless by the time a white blood cell closes in to destroy it, and instead can get inside the cell and infect it.

    The novel coronavirus does not infect white blood cells, but rather cells with ACE2 surface receptors, and these are primarily found in the alveoli at the termini of the airways in the lungs and in the small intestine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I popped some bubble wrap as a joke in work yesterday.

    I’m sneezing today.

    Read the bible and hope for the best is your only option now.


  • Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    darjeeling wrote: »
    That's what I'm thinking.

    Any epidemic here is likely to play out over months, peaking a few months after person-to-person transmission takes hold, and taking months to fall away after that.
    In terms of practical things people can do to prepare, that time scale is important.

    For people at risk of a poor outcome should they be infected, but who can take steps to avoid getting it at all, it would make sense to figure how to avoid infection.
    That could mean things like:
    • figuring out where to get good reliable information and advice on the progression of the epidemic and how to take care of yourself
    • bringing forward essential travel to avoid travelling when infection rates are higher
    • bringing forward minor and routine medical appointments and procedures to avoid needing medical services at the height of an epidemic
    • choosing to avoid social gatherings you might otherwise want to attend - e.g. large family events
    • restricting contact generally with people who might be infected
    • seeing if you can get your groceries delivered rather than having to go to busy supermarkets

    For people who are going out to work, living in city centres, travelling on public transport, dealing with large numbers of customers, avoiding infection is going to be much harder.
    Though at least most urban-dwelling, bus-commuting shop workers are likely to be younger and so at lower risk of adverse outcomes.

    For businesses, plans should be made for avoiding cross-infection between staff where possible, for operating during higher than usual staff absence, for home working etc.
    We had the flu run through our office in December, and about a quarter of us caught it by the end. Some people were out for over a week. This new virus could easily be more disruptive than that.

    I am so glad I am retired from my job as a public library worker. All humanity uses the libraries, as it is quite a few library users have an appalling attitude to hygiene and return books covered in bodily “produce” of all kinds, and some of it is a product of being antisocial. Moreover customers frequently arrive in declaring “I have a bad flu and am off work, great to be able to come to the library and get my reading material”.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Imy about to throw on contagion.... the movie might send me over the edge..... but....the whiskey should counteract my inevitable hysteria.....

    Ah Elton..I heard you were poorly earlier in the week...nothing contangious I hope?


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