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22-02-2020 12:11PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Most people not following this are unaware of any of these measures they have been taking.

So there is no way of communicating better with the public without causing panic? There is absolutely nothing else that can be done to Better prepare people without being hysterical and causing panic? I really hope that’s not the kind of thinking behind the scenes, if you can’t communicate with the public before a crisis then I would worry how you would do it during a crisis.

There is no expected crisis. Like genuinely, it's nothing for people.in Ireland to be particularly worried about at the moment.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:12PM

I was joking about the generator.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 12:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Somebody was talking about buying a generator. I mean. Come on.

A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

22-02-2020 12:14PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

Sure, wouldn't that be a good sign that the virus is overhyped that we don't even know it's here. Thanks for the reassurance

SusanC10 · 22-02-2020 12:14PM

Thinking back to.the Swine Flu Pandemic in 2009/2010 where Tamiflu was prescribed to patients - does this or similar medication help with Coronavirus?

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 12:16PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

What a silly post Italy and Ireland have noting in common.
Ireland is well prepared in the very unlikely event of this virus coming here.

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Italy does not have the excellent HSE with its well organised and efficient accident and emergency departments the envy of the world.

People in Italy are not use to dealing with events like snow that limit mobility and supply chains Ireland has seen a number of these events with no panic buying or crime people in Italy people really love bread for example and this would be sold out in an instant where as here in Ireland people would just buy what they need and not empty the shelves for shellfish reasons.

People in Italy do not have the same community sprit as people living in Ireland.
When there was snow here young people went around to all the old people to make sure they had all the essentials cars that had to be abandoned were left alone and not interfered with.

Young New Irish communities even helped out with supplies for the old and vulnerable by getting Lidl to open up especially for the evening in one area were there was a run on food and drink.

I am sure we can all be confident that Ireland is going to be just grand.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:16PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Grace. People are searching for videos and articles of worse case scenarios and posting them as fact.

All the professionals are saying current analytics are not correct as it’s impossible to know if you tested the world population now, How many cases would there be.

A question for you Grace.... Have you ever been put off travelling during the winter or spring time?

As I have posted way back, I am housebound etc, so that question does not apply. In this situation I would take great care though were I free to travel , in such a mobile and developing situation. Just common sense. Nothing that could not wait until this had cleared.

Yes I know what folk are doing and that is not per se panic. They know that .

This is a wait and see situation, while making preparations in case the worst happens to avoid being a liability if it goes bad. Again not panic but being responsible.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:16PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

Yes because of idiots buying them that do not need them.
The panic buying is causing issues for those that do.

22-02-2020 12:17PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

Well, they don't work so its not much loss.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:20PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Their priority has been to focus more on controlling people’s reactions ( panic) then proper measures and communication to the wider public. It’s ironic and sad given how easy it actually is to reach out to entire populations in this day and age. It’s possible to do that without causing panic.

People need to cop on and start educating themselves on this Because the authority’s won’t and the more people prepared will help if things get bad here. The conditions in other countries can happen here. Forced quarantine, confusion\fear because Of bad communication and general mistrust (who is infected, who can we trust) can and will happen if we keep treating what’s going on like the virus that should not be named. Now is the time for authority’s to start educating and preparing people for the how things might play out.

Fear and panic comes as much from the unknown and unplanned as it does for anything else. Has a pampered society like ours ever been as unprepared for such a shock to our systems? I’ve never been force quarantined. I’ve never really had to stock up on stuff. I’ve never had to be careful when going to the shops or even being around my own family. Not since I lived with my parents have I not had to worry about getting an income to take care of myself. Anything that might arise out of this virus taking hold in this country I don’t believe most of us have any idea of what it will be like.

So you take a deep breath, square your shoulders, and do what needs doing. A learning curve! Same as all of us have to do at some time in our lives.

Cody montana · 22-02-2020 12:21PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

I'm still laughing at them.

dominatinMC · 22-02-2020 12:21PM

Dotsie~tmp wrote: »

With a potential 3 to 4 week period before being symptomatic. It could have been here weeks ago. It's clearly gonna spread everywhere. The economic impact will be more severe I think.

Most humans live day to day with little in the way of supplies or medical safety net. Supply chain breakdown is what people in power are afraid of. I see panic coming. Maybe nothing to stop it.

Jesus, that last paragraph sums up a lot of the sentiment on here. "Supply chain breakdown", "panic", 'nothing to stop it". All you're missing is "immovable object Vs. unstoppable force" and you'd have a Hollywood script.

tromtipp · 22-02-2020 12:24PM

Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

*This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:24PM

Drumpot wrote: »

These countries have already communicated information to its Population In advance of a crisis. That’s more then our authorities In this country, thus ahead of the curve. Regardless of who read the Information, they already started education and showed it was an important thing for their population to be mindful of. We are going be reactive in this regard, not proactive.

drumpot, HSE did! It was all over RTE news site here online. How did you miss it? It was a very detailed report. Largely dictated by the EU and WHO.
I read it and stopped worrying. Sorry I cannot link on this system .

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:25PM

It's good to seem many posters now calling out some of the scaremongering that has been going on in this thread for some time.
It should help improve the amount of useful factual information.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:26PM

tromtipp wrote: »

Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

*This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.

Did you or I write this! lol.... I think city folk have a different mindset altogether, and will find any situation harder.

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no expected crisis. Like genuinely, it's nothing for people.in Ireland to be particularly worried about at the moment.

You can be not overly worried and equally be prepared/informed. The more people informed the less likely it is to become a crisis and if it does become a crisis more people will panic less as they know what to expect.

Again, if people think there is absolutely no better way our authority’s can communicate with the public right now, without causing panic, how exactly do you expect these same authorities to communicate and promote calm if things do get worse?

A lot of people will react with “ I thought there was nothing to be particularly worried about” because that’s the message they are getting.

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:30PM

Graces7 wrote: »

So you take a deep breath, square your shoulders, and do what needs doing. A learning curve! Same as all of us have to do at some time in our lives.

I’m doing what I can graces7 and appreciate the advice you have given me.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:30PM

tromtipp wrote: »

Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

That's good advice for vulnerable people, the old or those with poor immune systems.
A healthy person can easily survive 10 days on a miniscule amount of calories and will stay warm just fine with a few blankets.

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 12:30PM

tromtipp wrote: »

Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

*This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.

Utter tosh Irish young people are well prepared for this.
By the tone of you post you would think Irish youth were all self entitled little snowflakes who are all glued to their smartphones or something.

BanditLuke · 22-02-2020 12:35PM

Things looking bleak in Iran

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1231157575707701248

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:38PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

I presume the 5 deaths would suggest that there’s hundreds infected in Iran if we take a 1%-2% death ratio? Or at least I hope so or some sort of medical Reason for such a high death rate , cause we don’t want a 20%

CinemaGuy45 · 22-02-2020 12:39PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

Yes you are totally correct that post you quoting is just crazy talk.:D

How many cases did Iran have a week ago just asking?:rolleyes:

ChikiChiki · 22-02-2020 12:39PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

Just under 20% mortality in Iran cases.

Thats bleak in my book.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:39PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

Yes bleak is the wrong phrase for sure.
It is a much higher fatality rate than expected.
But it's a tiny sample size and who knows how long it will be until we can depend on the data coming out of any country.

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 12:39PM

tuxy wrote: »

I was joking about the generator.

lol u had to explain .... monkey covers eyes

RebelButtMunch · 22-02-2020 12:40PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Yes you are totally correct that post you quoting is just crazy talk.:D

How many cases did Iran have a week ago just asking?:rolleyes:

Zero. That's an increase of infinity! We're all doomed!

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:41PM

laurah591 wrote: »

lol u had to explain .... monkey covers eyes

some took it seriously. lion covers tail

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:43PM

tuxy wrote: »

I was joking about the generator.

I guessed that.

tuxy wrote: »

It should help improve the amount of useful factual information.

Factual information like making fun of those you disagree with by joking about generators? Try to not throw stones in that glasshouse of yours.

tromtipp · 22-02-2020 12:43PM

That's good advice for vulnerable people, the old or those with poor immune systems.
A healthy person can easily survive 10 days on a miniscule amount of calories and will stay warm just fine with a few blankets.

The advice, given (rather crossly) by the politician charged with commenting on the response to the snow, was for all households, not just the 'vulnerable' - which could include anyone under 10, over 70, pregnant, asthmatic, diabetic - rather a lot of households will include someone who'd find extended cold or hunger a challenge.

How often have you lived wrapped in a blanket with little or no food for 10 days? Would you choose to do it again?

I an just imagine me and the cat eyeing each other up, wondering who'd be the first to crack and eat the other.

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