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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #8072
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    With a potential 3 to 4 week period before being symptomatic. It could have been here weeks ago. It's clearly gonna spread everywhere. The economic impact will be more severe I think.

    Most humans live day to day with little in the way of supplies or medical safety net. Supply chain breakdown is what people in power are afraid of. I see panic coming. Maybe nothing to stop it.


    Personally I doubt there will be a supply chain break down. Wuhan has been locked down for 2 months and shops are still being replenished daily.
    The virus seems to affect only 20% of people, the rest will have mild to no symptoms and will carry on their day to day life


  • #8073
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Let me stop you for a second here
    Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
    Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
    Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

    Actually up at 41 now with 2 deaths.... a pretty quick deterioration. [Like seriously how do you go from 3 to... 2 unrelated deaths, 2 critical condition, 14 serious condition in 24 hours]

    Really wouldn't be surprised to see clusters emerge around Europe inc Irl but only when (unfortunately) the virus meets an older person or immunocompromised. Probs no harm for more at risk groups being extra vigilante (not talking locking themselves away - more over regularly washing hands, have a hand sanitiser in the pocket if travelling on public transport and maybe avoiding sick people for the time being). I wouldn't consider any of this OTT, just practical


  • #8074
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    On a serious note can you imagine the amount of pure misery that Joe would ring out of any Covid19 outbreak here on a large scale :(

    Liveline probably renamed to Sickline.


  • #8075
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    givyjoe wrote: »
    It's beyond stupid. Do you have any evidence to contradict this number? It's been stated multiple times that if too many people get infected at once, health systems will be overwhelmed and that mortality will increase significantly. Multiple sources, multiple times have stated the critical numbers to be around 1/5, even if its slightly less, this is still enough to overwhelm the Oxygen supplies/equipment needed. Why on earth do you think we are seeing such drastic measures never seen before?

    Flu has been around for hundreds of years and traversed the world many times. This is a brand new virus in humans and is viral pneumonia NOT flu. This is the perspective that's needed, not stupidly comparing it to a long established less deadly viruses for which some vaccines are already available.

    It's not viral pneumonia. Viral pneumonia can be a secondary effect of the virus.


  • #8076
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Graces7 wrote: »
    What panic? I see no panic here at all. I see concern and caring and a willingness to be ready for whatever happens, or not. A responsible, mature and practical attitude to world events.

    Somebody was talking about buying a generator. I mean. Come on.


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  • #8077
    Poor_old_gill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Somebody was talking about buying a generator. I mean. Come on.

    While I agree with a bit of stockpiling for peace of mind - a generator was a bit crazy. It might turn out to not be but initially it sounds it!


  • #8078
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Most people not following this are unaware of any of these measures they have been taking.

    So there is no way of communicating better with the public without causing panic? There is absolutely nothing else that can be done to Better prepare people without being hysterical and causing panic? I really hope that’s not the kind of thinking behind the scenes, if you can’t communicate with the public before a crisis then I would worry how you would do it during a crisis.

    There is no expected crisis. Like genuinely, it's nothing for people.in Ireland to be particularly worried about at the moment.


  • #8079
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,981 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    I was joking about the generator.


  • #8080
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Somebody was talking about buying a generator. I mean. Come on.


    A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found


  • #8081
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Let me stop you for a second here
    Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
    Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
    Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

    Sure, wouldn't that be a good sign that the virus is overhyped that we don't even know it's here. Thanks for the reassurance :)


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  • #8082
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Thinking back to.the Swine Flu Pandemic in 2009/2010 where Tamiflu was prescribed to patients - does this or similar medication help with Coronavirus?


  • #8083
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Let me stop you for a second here
    Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
    Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
    Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

    What a silly post Italy and Ireland have noting in common.
    Ireland is well prepared in the very unlikely event of this virus coming here.


    TOP BULLET POINTS

    Italy does not have the excellent HSE with its well organised and efficient accident and emergency departments the envy of the world.

    People in Italy are not use to dealing with events like snow that limit mobility and supply chains Ireland has seen a number of these events with no panic buying or crime people in Italy people really love bread for example and this would be sold out in an instant where as here in Ireland people would just buy what they need and not empty the shelves for shellfish reasons.

    People in Italy do not have the same community sprit as people living in Ireland.
    When there was snow here young people went around to all the old people to make sure they had all the essentials cars that had to be abandoned were left alone and not interfered with.

    Young New Irish communities even helped out with supplies for the old and vulnerable by getting Lidl to open up especially for the evening in one area were there was a run on food and drink.

    I am sure we can all be confident that Ireland is going to be just grand.


  • #8084
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Grace. People are searching for videos and articles of worse case scenarios and posting them as fact.

    All the professionals are saying current analytics are not correct as it’s impossible to know if you tested the world population now, How many cases would there be.

    A question for you Grace.... Have you ever been put off travelling during the winter or spring time?

    As I have posted way back, I am housebound etc, so that question does not apply. In this situation I would take great care though were I free to travel , in such a mobile and developing situation. Just common sense. Nothing that could not wait until this had cleared.

    Yes I know what folk are doing and that is not per se panic. They know that .

    This is a wait and see situation, while making preparations in case the worst happens to avoid being a liability if it goes bad. Again not panic but being responsible.


  • #8085
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,981 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

    Yes because of idiots buying them that do not need them.
    The panic buying is causing issues for those that do.


  • #8086
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

    Well, they don't work so its not much loss.


  • #8087
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Their priority has been to focus more on controlling people’s reactions ( panic) then proper measures and communication to the wider public. It’s ironic and sad given how easy it actually is to reach out to entire populations in this day and age. It’s possible to do that without causing panic.

    People need to cop on and start educating themselves on this Because the authority’s won’t and the more people prepared will help if things get bad here. The conditions in other countries can happen here. Forced quarantine, confusion\fear because Of bad communication and general mistrust (who is infected, who can we trust) can and will happen if we keep treating what’s going on like the virus that should not be named. Now is the time for authority’s to start educating and preparing people for the how things might play out.

    Fear and panic comes as much from the unknown and unplanned as it does for anything else. Has a pampered society like ours ever been as unprepared for such a shock to our systems? I’ve never been force quarantined. I’ve never really had to stock up on stuff. I’ve never had to be careful when going to the shops or even being around my own family. Not since I lived with my parents have I not had to worry about getting an income to take care of myself. Anything that might arise out of this virus taking hold in this country I don’t believe most of us have any idea of what it will be like.

    So you take a deep breath, square your shoulders, and do what needs doing. A learning curve! Same as all of us have to do at some time in our lives.


  • #8088
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    A month ago people buying masks were being laughed at. Now masks are nowhere to be found

    I'm still laughing at them.


  • #8089
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    With a potential 3 to 4 week period before being symptomatic. It could have been here weeks ago. It's clearly gonna spread everywhere. The economic impact will be more severe I think.

    Most humans live day to day with little in the way of supplies or medical safety net. Supply chain breakdown is what people in power are afraid of. I see panic coming. Maybe nothing to stop it.
    Jesus, that last paragraph sums up a lot of the sentiment on here. "Supply chain breakdown", "panic", 'nothing to stop it". All you're missing is "immovable object Vs. unstoppable force" and you'd have a Hollywood script.


  • #8090
    tromtipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭tromtipp


    Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

    It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

    People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

    *This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.


  • #8091
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Drumpot wrote: »
    These countries have already communicated information to its Population In advance of a crisis. That’s more then our authorities In this country, thus ahead of the curve. Regardless of who read the Information, they already started education and showed it was an important thing for their population to be mindful of. We are going be reactive in this regard, not proactive.

    drumpot, HSE did! It was all over RTE news site here online. How did you miss it? It was a very detailed report. Largely dictated by the EU and WHO.
    I read it and stopped worrying. Sorry I cannot link on this system .


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  • #8092
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,981 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    It's good to seem many posters now calling out some of the scaremongering that has been going on in this thread for some time.
    It should help improve the amount of useful factual information.


  • #8093
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    tromtipp wrote: »
    Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

    It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

    People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

    *This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.

    Did you or I write this! lol.... I think city folk have a different mindset altogether, and will find any situation harder.


  • #8094
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is no expected crisis. Like genuinely, it's nothing for people.in Ireland to be particularly worried about at the moment.

    You can be not overly worried and equally be prepared/informed. The more people informed the less likely it is to become a crisis and if it does become a crisis more people will panic less as they know what to expect.

    Again, if people think there is absolutely no better way our authority’s can communicate with the public right now, without causing panic, how exactly do you expect these same authorities to communicate and promote calm if things do get worse?

    A lot of people will react with “ I thought there was nothing to be particularly worried about” because that’s the message they are getting.


  • #8095
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Graces7 wrote: »
    So you take a deep breath, square your shoulders, and do what needs doing. A learning curve! Same as all of us have to do at some time in our lives.

    I’m doing what I can graces7 and appreciate the advice you have given me.


  • #8096
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,981 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    tromtipp wrote: »
    Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

    That's good advice for vulnerable people, the old or those with poor immune systems.
    A healthy person can easily survive 10 days on a miniscule amount of calories and will stay warm just fine with a few blankets.


  • #8097
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    tromtipp wrote: »
    Whether or not Covid19 turns out to be threat to people in Ireland, we have been told before (notably two years ago during the big snow) that households should routinely have enough supplies of food, water and meds for ten days or so, some sources of light and heat in case of power cuts, and a battery operated radio so that we can stay informed. People with responsibility for others usually know that anyway. I do wonder whether some of the people saying that this is a crazy mindset are very young and used to having someone who can bail them out in a crisis.

    It isn't about panicking, it isn't about fear, it's about being responsible. Living long enough to have had repeated experiences of being locked in by weather or illness helps focus the mind.

    People in the country, in windy areas that get* frequent power cuts, who pump their own water, often have generators. Again, not panic - experience + common sense.

    *This doesn't happen as often as it used to, the ESB have upgraded the supply lines.


    Utter tosh Irish young people are well prepared for this.
    By the tone of you post you would think Irish youth were all self entitled little snowflakes who are all glued to their smartphones or something.

    :p


  • #8098
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Things looking bleak in Iran

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1231157575707701248


  • #8099
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

    I presume the 5 deaths would suggest that there’s hundreds infected in Iran if we take a 1%-2% death ratio? Or at least I hope so or some sort of medical Reason for such a high death rate , cause we don’t want a 20%


  • #8100
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

    Yes you are totally correct that post you quoting is just crazy talk.:D


    How many cases did Iran have a week ago just asking?:rolleyes:


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  • #8101
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    5 deaths and 28 cases in a country of 81 million people and you're calling things bleak. Come on.

    Just under 20% mortality in Iran cases.

    Thats bleak in my book.


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