new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 11:35AM

tuxy wrote: »

Yes months worth, sometimes a full cows worth of meat + other random stuff.
It would have to be a very long storm for it to start to defrost unless I left the lid open.

Each to their own I suppose. As I’ve said here before, I work in the insurance industry and that’s all about spending money to mitigate the implications of an unforeseen/unplanned event.

Nobody Really thinks their gonna die or get seriously ill. I see this the same way in that many people don’t want to comprehend what might happen if things get bad here so choose to either ignore what seems now to be inevitable or get angry at those trying to discuss it. I see a similar reaction from some people when I talk about the mortality of their partner or themselves during client meetings.

Scrabbles38 · 22-02-2020 11:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing, said a protective antibody is generated in those who are infected.

"However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long," Li said. "For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4804905002

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

Yeah there is a chance, but none reported so far... the article you posted was not about reinfected people... but you stated it was..

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 11:41AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, what are Sweden doing now that is so far ahead of us regarding coronavirus?

The consensus here is that the HSE and the government are a joke and a disgrace and there is an impending collapse of the healthcare service. What are they doing differently in Sweden regarding coronavirus?

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7394527
Swedish state epidemiologist says the "virus does not pose a threat in Sweden". Are they a banana republic also?

They had a case, the lady self isolated. She wasn't stopped coming back from China. She wasn't tested until she contacted authorities.

These countries have already communicated information to its Population In advance of a crisis. That’s more then our authorities In this country, thus ahead of the curve. Regardless of who read the Information, they already started education and showed it was an important thing for their population to be mindful of. We are going be reactive in this regard, not proactive.

wakka12 · 22-02-2020 11:43AM

3rd death in South Korea as cases rise to 433. Appears to be increasing even quicker than it did in Wuhan in early January

tuxy · 22-02-2020 11:43AM

Scrabbles38 wrote: »

Yeah there is a chance, but none reported so far... the article you posted was not about reinfected people... but you stated it was..

You can't seriously expect people to read more than the headlines?

MD1990 · 22-02-2020 11:50AM

it has slowed down in Singapore & Japan atm which is good.

Is South Korea in total lockdown yet?

cadaliac · 22-02-2020 11:52AM

Drumpot wrote: »

These countries have already communicated information to its Population In advance of a crisis. That’s more then our authorities In this country, thus ahead of the curve. Regardless of who read the Information, they already started education and showed it was an important thing for their population to be mindful of. We are going be reactive in this regard, not proactive.

HSE have issued statements and requested that people use common sense in regards to hygine etc.
Hand wash dispensers are installed in collages, hospitals and most public places that they can
Outside of causing widespread fear and panic, what else should they do.?

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 11:54AM

wakka12 wrote: »

3rd death in South Korea as cases rise to 433. Appears to be increasing even quicker than it did in Wuhan in early January

Where did you see this confirmed? Was looking for a source article

MD1990 · 22-02-2020 11:58AM

laurah591 wrote: »

Where did you see this confirmed? Was looking for a source article

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

that is legit

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 11:59AM

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-study/wuhan-woman-with-no-symptoms-infects-five-relatives-with-coronavirus-study-idUSKBN20G00J

Person who infected 5 relatives and has never shown any symptoms

This is an interesting article

There could be a few, 100s, 1000s , 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands , millions, or 10s of millions of people like her at the moment who have 0 symptoms but would test positive if found.

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 11:59AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

With bird flu there was panic, with swine flu there was panic. These have not gone away.

There is no panic now when they are classified as seasonal viruses now.

You can panic all you want if it makes you feel safer.

To me it’s something that will be downgraded soon enough. To you it’s Armageddon.

What panic? I see no panic here at all. I see concern and caring and a willingness to be ready for whatever happens, or not. A responsible, mature and practical attitude to world events.

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 12:01PM

MD1990 wrote: »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

that is legit

Agreed - 3rd death comment was what i was trying to verify

As an aside...TinFoil Hat time

I think the WHO got BNO

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:01PM

laurah591 wrote: »

Where did you see this confirmed? Was looking for a source article

Someone posted Third "potential coronavirus death in Korea"

Then many have now taken that as confirmed.

Once it's confirmed by a poster on twitter then it soon be confirmed by a poster on here.

That's how most info on this thread is generated.

wakka12 · 22-02-2020 12:02PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

This is an interesting article

There could be a few, 100s, 1000s , 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands , millions, or 10s of millions of people like her at the moment who have 0 symptoms but would test positive if found.

The cruise ship passengers will show how common it is, a few days ago it said 70 passengers tested positive but were asymptomatic. I don't know if it just meant they are in incubation phase or not

Graces7 · 22-02-2020 12:03PM

cadaliac wrote: »

HSE have issued statements and requested that people use common sense in regards to hygine etc.
Hand wash dispensers are installed in collages, hospitals and most public places that they can
Outside of causing widespread fear and panic, what else should they do.?

Thank you I have been saying this for days to no avail. Folk seem hell bent on blaming HSE who are following EU and WHO guidelines,

I also made reference to the HSE statement you can read on the RTE news site but no one was listening. They are covering all bases at this stage of the situation.

Now this IS a panic reaction ! Not reading etc

laurah591 · 22-02-2020 12:04PM

tuxy wrote: »

Someone posted Third "potential coronavirus death in Korea"

Then many have now taken that as confirmed.

Once it's confirmed by a poster on twitter then it soon be confirmed by a poster on here.

That's how most info on this thread is generated.

Ah now Tuxy, I haven't seen much unconfirmed stuff presented as gospel here, thats a little harsh ... monkey covers eyes emoiji

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:06PM

cadaliac wrote: »

HSE have issued statements and requested that people use common sense in regards to hygine etc.
Hand wash dispensers are installed in collages, hospitals and most public places that they can
Outside of causing widespread fear and panic, what else should they do.?

Most people not following this are unaware of any of these measures they have been taking.

So there is no way of communicating better with the public without causing panic? There is absolutely nothing else that can be done to Better prepare people without being hysterical and causing panic? I really hope that’s not the kind of thinking behind the scenes, if you can’t communicate with the public before a crisis then I would worry how you would do it during a crisis.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 12:08PM

Graces7 wrote: »

What panic? I see no panic here at all. I see concern and caring and a willingness to be ready for whatever happens, or not. A responsible, mature and practical attitude to world events.

Grace. People are searching for videos and articles of worse case scenarios and posting them as fact.

All the professionals are saying current analytics are not correct as it’s impossible to know if you tested the world population now, How many cases would there be.

A question for you Grace.... Have you ever been put off travelling during the winter or spring time?

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:10PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Thank you I have been saying this for days to no avail. Folk seem hell bent on blaming HSE who are following EU and WHO guidelines,

I also made reference to the HSE statement you can read on the RTE news site but no one was listening. They are covering all bases at this stage of the situation.

Now this IS a panic reaction ! Not reading etc

Totally disagree TBH, only people who have been following this crisis have paid any attention to the HSE warnings. Most friends, family and clients I’ve spoken with are oblivious of any of this. People only pay attention to warnings or caution when they perceive a threat. “Nothing to worry“ about in Ireland sends a conflicting message, so people don’t worry and don’t take protective measures.

tom1ie · 22-02-2020 12:17PM

As Chris Hatfield would say:
To me, it’s simple: if you’ve got the time, use it to get ready. What else could you possibly have to do that’s more important? Yes, maybe you’ll learn how to do a few things you’ll never wind up actually needing to do, but that’s a much better problem to have than needing to do something and having no clue where to start.

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That’s not panicking. That’s having a mature approach.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 12:22PM

tom1ie wrote: »

As Chris Hatfield would say:
To me, it’s simple: if you’ve got the time, use it to get ready. What else could you possibly have to do that’s more important? Yes, maybe you’ll learn how to do a few things you’ll never wind up actually needing to do, but that’s a much better problem to have than needing to do something and having no clue where to start.

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That’s not panicking. That’s having a mature approach.

That’s a mindset..

So what are you doing at this moment to prepare for COVID19.

cadaliac · 22-02-2020 12:24PM

Ok, outside of this thread:
If you ask anyone about the virus, (coronavirus, or whatever name you wish to call it) do you think that anyone would answer that they haven’t heard of it, or haven’t a clue what you are talking about?
Do you honestly think that the general population of Ireland is unaware ?
We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.
Some on here are almost thriving on this as being a pandemic. I do understand and realise the potential that this has, but currently, there is no pandemic. There is no need to panic.
Issuing scaremongering statements like the red tops, will do nothing to prepare the population of Ireland for any crisis. That is my point.

Blud · 22-02-2020 12:34PM

tom1ie wrote: »

As Chris Hatfield would say:
To me, it’s simple: if you’ve got the time, use it to get ready. What else could you possibly have to do that’s more important? Yes, maybe you’ll learn how to do a few things you’ll never wind up actually needing to do, but that’s a much better problem to have than needing to do something and having no clue where to start.

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That’s not panicking. That’s having a mature approach.

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 12:36PM

cadaliac wrote: »

Ok, outside of this thread:
If you ask anyone about the virus, (coronavirus, or whatever name you wish to call it) do you think that anyone would answer that they haven’t heard of it, or haven’t a clue what you are talking about?
Do you honestly think that the general population of Ireland is unaware ?
We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.
Some on here are almost thriving on this as being a pandemic. I do understand and realise the potential that this has, but currently, there is no pandemic. There is no need to panic.
Issuing scaremongering statements like the red tops, will do nothing to prepare the population of Ireland for any crisis. That is my point.

Some posters here are not looking for facts. They depend on the fear factor of the unknown.

Scientific analysis say to take the severe, critical and death percentages with a pinch of salt.

Many posters are saying these numbers are fact.

tuxy · 22-02-2020 12:36PM

Blud wrote: »

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

Yes, I really don't see why someone in Ireland would priorities this over something that has a much higher chance of harming them.

Drumpot · 22-02-2020 12:38PM

cadaliac wrote: »

Ok, outside of this thread:
If you ask anyone about the virus, (coronavirus, or whatever name you wish to call it) do you think that anyone would answer that they haven’t heard of it, or haven’t a clue what you are talking about?
Do you honestly think that the general population of Ireland is unaware ?
We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.
Some on here are almost thriving on this as being a pandemic. I do understand and realise the potential that this has, but currently, there is no pandemic. There is no need to panic.
Issuing scaremongering statements like the red tops, will do nothing to prepare the population of Ireland for any crisis. That is my point.

Knowing of the virus and knowing the potential Knock on effects (including severe restrictions on movement) if it does take off in Ireland are two completely different things.

I refute the suggestion that it’s panicking to state that more could be done to prepare and educate people. Like shown, some countries have communicated information to their population in advance of a crisis, not just waiting for a crisis.

I also refute the insinuation that it’s not possible to be better prepared or communicate more without causing panic. A simple communication protocol (even have their own updates on 6—1 news every day or so) allows the authority’s to control the narrative in an age of social media where panic will ensue due to fake news.

I think these basic protocols are just the bare minimum from our authority’s. I’m not just picking on the HSE btw, there appears to be no other authority Doing much to be fair. Some day there will be a crisis in this country, I think regardless of how this plays out, it’s a great opportunity to use it to improve our response and our own protocols.

Duke of Url · 22-02-2020 12:38PM

Blud wrote: »

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

Start with a bunker..:pac:

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-02-2020 12:40PM

Blud wrote: »

It is also a mental way to spend your day to day life.

Between preparing for the storm tomorrow, the snow on Tuesday, and Armageddon virus any day now, I dont know where you'd find the energy.

I have a spare room in my house, over the last couple of weeks while out shopping I have framed a few extra things for me and my 8 year old son, 18 x 2 litres of water (3 x 6 packs) - 3 KG of Pasta, 1.5 KG of rice, tinned food (beans, spam, spaghetti, rice pudding etc) Flour and other long life non perishable foods. Total cost has been about £30/£40 for this, if this virus is bought under control and it isnt needed then it will get used over the coming months with no waste.

This isn't panic buying or scaremongering in any way, it's just being a little more prepared just in case there is a situation where we may need to stay indoors for a few weeks to ensure our safety.

Mic 1972 · 22-02-2020 12:43PM

cadaliac wrote: »

We have no confirmed cases. The HSE are following protocol. The news is updating (yes albeit infrequently) and there is plenty of information online.

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

Dotsie~tmp · 22-02-2020 12:48PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Let me stop you for a second here
Italy had 3 confirmed cases until yesterday, all 3 had been locked in a hospital since end of January and had virtually no contact with anybody ever since
Then in just 1 day the count goes up to 35 infected people.
Having no confirmed cases doesn't exclude the virus from being already here

With a potential 3 to 4 week period before being symptomatic. It could have been here weeks ago. It's clearly gonna spread everywhere. The economic impact will be more severe I think.

Most humans live day to day with little in the way of supplies or medical safety net. Supply chain breakdown is what people in power are afraid of. I see panic coming. Maybe nothing to stop it.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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